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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jun 2008, 20:07    Post_subject:  KOffice 1.6.3 for 4.00 and 4.06 ***& 3.01*** New Version
Sub_title: 79M sfs - no other kde
 

AFAIK all programs are running in both 3.01 and 4.00.

I have posted a correspondence I had with K-Office developers while trying to improve this in my puppylinux.org blog at
http://www.puppylinux.org/community/blogs/playdayz/correspondence-with-k-office-developers

This is a new sfs of K-Office 1.6.3 for Puppy 4.00 and 4.06-07 (uploaded on Sunday AUG 24) and for 3.01 (uploaded on Thursday SEP 4). With all honor to aragon, raffy, ttuuxx, Lobster, and mikeb the issues with the previous experimental version have been addressed. This is a full install of the latest K-Office with all features operational (except the Help Center). It includes a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation graphics, image editors, flowcharting, database management, a formula editor, and more

To install, please download to /mnt/home (if you are using 4.06, please rename K-Office_400.sfs to K-Office_406.sfs) and then Menu: System: Bootmanager configure bootup, enable K-Office_400.sfs and reboot. When installed, the programs are available under Menu: Document. It has been tested with 4.00 and 4.06; the 3.01 version ahs been tested with 3.01. All functions of every program have not been tested.

Here is the sfs for Puppy 4.00 and 4.07
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/K-Office_400.sfs
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/k-office_400.md5.txt

Here is the sfs for Puppy 3.01
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/K-Office_301.sfs
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/k-office_301.sfs-md5.txt
For 3.01 it is necessary to update libstdc++ to 6.0.9 and libart_lgpl_2 to 2.3.17. This pet has the updates--download and click to install
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/update_libstdc++_libart_gpl.pet

Thanks to mikeb, all the features of 3.01 are operative (except the Help Center). I found, again thanks to mikeb, that 3.01 and earlier must have a version 3.0 squashfs; 4.00 creates 3.1 sfs. BTW, he has a version that works with the 2.1x series--I *think* it might be the same as the 3.01 version is now.

For anyone interested, here is a catalog of packages and changes:
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/KOffice_packages.rtf

It is my observation that business and education users need a full-featured office suite. If KOffice will work as a stand-alone then Puppy users will have a choice between it and OpenOffice, each with a different style and different strengths, but either one running with all the pep of a puppy. The advantages to a stand-alone KOffice rather than a full KDE might include size and retaining the rest of Puppy/Dingo. KOffice's advantages over OOo might be that it is less than half the size of OOo and has a "flashier" graphic interface that can be fun.



There is more discussion in the last message in this thread, but basically, fonts work, spell checker works, menus work, and remaining console message are non-critical (afaik). The only problems I am aware of are that 1) kchart misbehaves sometimes after choosing a Template depending on the video resolution and/or driver!?!? The workaround is to start "kchart /root/blank.chrt" The menu entry does this. Also, 2) krita starts too slowly, but it starts.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jun 2008, 02:35    Post_subject:  

well this looks like a great start, I like the idea of having something new to compete against open office, abiword/gnumeric
I'm just wondering could you have a add on pack that gives you more kde capabilities like (just a wild guess!!)
k3b packages maybe another 20mb
k9copy 10mb
kde desktop 10mb
what you would have to do is document which version of what libraries are being used so you can try to keep things working together smoothly.
like the libstdc++ thats based on the gcc compiler in the devx_301 or devx_400 and there has been lots of write-ups how changing it and not the whole gcc and cripple compiling or programs themselves.
So if anyone wanted to add to this they could follow a guideline.
Anyways good luck and keep up the great work, Its an excellent Idea!!
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Aug 2008, 02:17    Post_subject:  

Amazing . . . so far, so excellent

If this can be made stable - we need reports on that - also menu options need adding . . .

once set up as described above
click on file/home (desktop) and the up arrow - takes you to /
click on koffice-1.6.3

Now Christmas has come early - woof woof
click on them to open - well works OK for me in Dingo
No extensive testing yet though . . .

    Drawing program
    Structured drawing
    WP
    Presentation
    Database . . .
    Charts
    Project management


Fast. Fun. Frisky.
F f f f f f fabulous . . . Very Happy

Seems faster than Open Office on boot up
Also no need for Java (a great language but too big for Puppy)
Who is using Offices? Which is better?

The database seems good (Kexi)
click on the little available icon top left after starting new . . .
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:30    Post_subject:  

i think this could become great!

first testing from commandline gave me the following failures:

Code:
# karbon
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found


Code:
# kchart
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found


Code:
# kexi
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found


Code:
# kformula
kformula: WARNING: Font 'cmex10' not found
kformula: WARNING: Font 'arev sans' not found
kformula: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'fonts'.
kformula:
kformula: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'fonts'.
kformula:
kformula: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'fonts'.
kformula:
kformula: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'fonts'.
kformula:
kformula: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'fonts'.
kformula:
kformula:
kformula: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'fonts'.
kformula:
kformula: WARNING: Font 'cmex10' not found
kformula: WARNING: Font 'arev sans' not found
kformula: WARNING: Not all basic fonts found
# ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 32376, errno = 0
ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 32378, errno = 0


Code:
# kivio
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found


Code:
# koshell
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
#


Code:
# kplato
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
#


Code:
# kpresenter
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
kpresenter: ERROR: No language dictionaries for the language : en_US
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
#


Code:
# krita
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
#


Code:
# kspread
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
#


Code:
# kthesaurus
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
#


Code:
# kugar
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
#


Code:
# kword
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-
kbuildsycoca running...
kword: ERROR: No language dictionaries for the language : en_US
kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
#


1. gam_server
Installing the gamin package from here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32049
solves this.

2. kformula-fonts
they should be in usr/share/apps/kformula/fonts/
maybe look in your source package if you find them.

3. kformula: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'fonts'.

might be a part of [2]

4. KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
Exclamation

5. Missing Dictionaries
Should be possible to get them

6. Menu
The desktop-files are at /usr/share/applications/kde. I think they will work from the subfolder (but they also could be moved to the normal folder), but you have to change the
-Categories-entries
-Icon-entries
to get them into the puppy-menu (with icon)

that's for now.

cheers
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:58    Post_subject:  

a quick tip:

if one is looking for a localization go to

ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.6.3/src/koffice-l10n

and download the file for your country.

extract to tmp. go to your new folder, open 'messages'. with make and make install you could install the messages for yr system (corresponding with your choosen language).

it may not be perfect but it works for me in a first test.

cheers
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Aug 2008, 15:31    Post_subject:  

Advantage for KOffice indeed is the size of the sfs, 77MB versus 145MB, but is the KOffice suite as rich as the OOo?
A certain moment I did run KDE3.5.8 with Koffice included (don't remember which version), but I had issues with ODT documents not being handled correctly in KOffice.
Also there was less user-friendly functionality then. Might be better now.
So I still kept using OOo. (in windows as well)
I might have a look however on this sfs.

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Aug 2008, 19:56    Post_subject:  

Just a quick report. I downloaded the sfs and loaded it into puppy 4.0. The basic operation of the word processor and spreadsheet appear to function. I built a small database in Kexi and did some basic data manipulation and all went well. I have only tested the very basics so far, but will mess with it some more tonight.

I don't think it has the functionality of OO, but it's not bad, and for a lighter weight suite, it could be very useful.
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Aug 2008, 02:05    Post_subject:  

It is very comprehensive - if the size can be smaller and if we use Konqueror, it would feasibly be possible to improve the functionality of Puppy - check the drawing and structured drawing packages - AND reduce the size.
. . . might be possible

I remember we had Puppy + Openoffice
running in less space then Open Office took with other distros
That was roundabout Puppy 1.3

For now an SFS gives the ability to try it out. I have been looking at kexi (can be compiled as a standalone package) as a potential Puppy database - however we also could do with a presentation package . . .
Which is also available . . .
I am interested in how the WP and Spreadsheet compare both with Puppys (I think Gnumeric is excellent) and OpenOffice?

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Aug 2008, 03:26    Post_subject: Fonts  

playdayz wrote:
They don't look as good as they should though, I don't think, the fonts could be better and some of the graphics look odd. There is also something wrong with the fonts in Formula Editor. Fonts and graphics are things I am hoping for some advice about.


You can get the TTF (fonts) used by KOffice and add them to Puppy's TTF folder (see /usr/share/fonts). You can re-generate the fontdir and fontscale with these console commands:
Code:
mkfontdir
mkfontscale

Make sure you are inside the TTF directory when you issue these commands.

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Aug 2008, 07:35    Post_subject:  

the needed fonts are at /usr/share/apps/kformula/fonts/

you could use raffys tip or copy the files to /root/.fonts what also works.

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Aug 2008, 14:42    Post_subject: Still Looking for Expert Assistance
Sub_title: What about it Aragon?
 

Wow, I am glad to see this rediscovered! I haven't messed with it since I posted it back in June. But for it to go any farther I think I really do need someone with more knowledge and experience than I have to polish it up. I have some other things going at the moment (I logged on to post some wine things), but when clear could revisit this and use these great suggestions and tips. But what I think would get it going quicker and probably better is if someone(s) would take over for me. I would be as much help as I could, but someone could take the sfs back into a folder and have what I have here. I began with the slackware package so I think that would be the place to get anything that I erroneously removed. i would love to see this work well and I think it would be a good additional option for puppy. best, playdayz
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Aug 2008, 13:17    Post_subject: Thanks for Your Help  

Well it looks like I couldn't foist the development of the standalone KOffice off on anyone else, so I am back on it. i am still open to assistance. Please. Thanks much to aragon for all the help, also Raffy and Lobster of course. Here's how it is going.

1. KFormula fonts. DONE. Found them and put them into /root/.fonts, which I thought might be the best place for an sfs file since Puppy doesn't use that ordinarily. KFormula now looks right. Please let me know if you think another location would be better. Might be able to modify font path to include them??? Whatever is least problematical.

2. TTF fonts. DONE. i put all of them in, and KOffice looks much better. I will find out which of them are required and put those in--or perhaps see if KOffice will use liberation fonts, which would be preferable of course Please let me know if you have any suggestions. With these two font changes, KOffice looks good enough to use.

3. Dictionary. NOW DONE. All it took was to install aspell from this pet. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1619786235&t=26564It

4. Gamin. NOW DONE--solves several problems. I remembered that I had installed libfam, which is a library that KOffice would not start without (libfam is a part of gamin) but I did not install full gamin. Installing full gamin does prevent
Code:
failed to find gam_server
Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-root-


5. DONE--problem seems not to occur with layerfs=aufs. I sometimes get errors about failing to find "applications.menu in /root/.config/menus/,/etc/xdg/menus/". My previous experience with KDE is that if one watches a console, KDE generates beaucoup warnings and errors, even in a default installation from major distributions, but it still runs apparently well from the gui. In other words, in some ways it seems "normal" for kde to generate a lot of console messages, warnings, and errors, but still run within parameters--this applies to the gamin server also maybe. I surmise that the kde goal is to run stably as gui, regardless of messages--maybe this is "robust." This is all ongoing.

6. KChart. DONE/Workaround. Problem occurs with some combinations of video driver and resolution; seems never to occur if startup with "chart /root/blank.chrt". KChart (on 4.00) doesn't run for me beyond the intro screen. Maybe I didn't check that previously. X goes to 100% cpu and stays there. This is a show stopper. And on 3.01, KChart works fine, but Karbon crashes at that same point (picking a template and going on). Here's a NEW CLUE: KChart and Karbon behave the same way in 3.02 as they do in 4.00, different from the way they behave in 3.01. I am hoping that someone recognizes what this clue means.

7. NEXT. Khelpcenter does not work. Some required files are not installed.

8. Menus. Not started.

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Aug 2008, 14:01    Post_subject: Re: Thanks for Your Help  

playdayz wrote:
Well it looks like I couldn't foist the development of the standalone KOffice off on anyone else, so I am back on it.

Good to hear, If I wasn't so spread so thin on so many other projects I would of taken it of your hands Smile
But I'm glad your polishing it up, being that you used Slackware components to build this, It probably would make a great addition to 3.0.2 when your finished. Keep up the great work:)
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Aug 2008, 14:04    Post_subject:  

Hi playdayz

I realize this is early development days, and I know little about office packages apart from the obvious, plus comments from wiser dogs,

but..........

Does this koffice lend itself to multi-lingual use, as that is sorely needed in a 'frisky format', ...........
especially, if it has good editing/spellcheck/dictionary/font plugin capability, and could be a very useful part of muppy/41 lang puppy/chinese/thai/russian
& St Bernard rescue puppy, [if it ever gets there],.... etc Smile

Too much too soon, or potential, with right first principles applied?

Here's hoping!! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Aug 2008, 22:08    Post_subject: /root/.fonts  

Yes, /root/.fonts is rarely used in official Puppy, so you can use it.

Bitstream Vera fonts convert well into/from MS Office, so I guess those are the critical fonts to have. But adding Liberation fonts will be welcome.

Thanks for your renewed efforts. Smile

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