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#81 Post by Béèm »

Thank you wow,
All .wh.* files are deleted. a bunch of them

Performance of OOo seems somewhat better now.
Could it be caused by the .wh.* files?

Now for the commands on the X prompt.
/etc/init.rd/..... should read /etc/init.d/.....
dbus started ok
hal started ok
when starting udev I got: /sbin/udevtrigger --retry-failed.
So I suppose udev didn't get started.

In Dingo405 there is something weird also.
On ro2 I have my ntfs XP partition mounted automatically.
Didn't had that before.
So there is only room left to load 2 sfs files through the bootmanager.

3.16 AM here. Time to go to bed now.
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#82 Post by Eyes-Only »

I'm curious about something: Anyone here in this thread ever try---with a hard drive install of 4.00---mounting the Gnome.sfs file and actually going through the daunting task of a manual install of this Gnome onto the drive to see whether it should work?

Seems so, if it works via a CD/Frugal mounting, then theoretically it should work just as well by copying the files all over one-by-one, eh?

I did the same thing with the OOo.org .sfs file which was far larger but that basically involved just a copy over to /opt for the most part. I mounted the Gnome one last night... and as expected there are a tonne of files. ;) Miss one and I know it could be disasterous. LOL!

Just wondered if anyone had tried it?

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#83 Post by Béèm »

More to udev not being started in my case.
I get some messages scrolling fastly during boot saying:
udev [2061] devplug unknown.
Is there a cure for this?
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#84 Post by MU »

you seem to miss a group.
/etc/groups should contain:

plugdev:x:507:

In my Gnome 2.22 there are several more.
You can compare and edit these of your full installation with the one from WOWs sfs or a frugal installation using it:
/etc/
groups
shadow
gshadow
passwd

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#85 Post by Béèm »

Thanks Mark,
I added plugdev:x:507:

But I still have other error msg's:
udev [2061] look_up_group 'disk' not found/unknown.
udev [2061] look_up_group 'cdrom' not found/unknown.
(not sure about the correct wording)
The msg's go quickly over the screen, and I don't see them in some log file.

So something is still missing somewhere.
Strange, as I use wow's sfs.
Shouldn't those be there then?
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#86 Post by MU »

hm yes, had a look at wows sfs, these groups seem to miss, too.
Gnome can be a real mess, but at least some applications should start.
You might type in JWM in a console things like:
gnome-panel
epiphany
gnome[tab to see more]

That gives clues about what misses.
Anyway, here are my files:

/etc/group

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root:x:0:
daemon:x:1:
tty:x:2:
ppp:x:200:
users:x:500:
nobody:x:65534:
guest:x:501:
spot:x:502:spot
bin::2:root,bin,daemon
audio::17:
503:x:503:messagebus
haldaemon:x:3:
video:x:504:
cdrom:x:505:
disk:x:506:
plugdev:x:507:hal,root
uucp:x:508:
kmem:x:509:
lp:x:510:
floppy:x:511:
power:x:512:avahi::86:avahi
netdev::85:avahi
gdm::95:gdm
netdev::87:avahi
sabayon::63:sabayon
stb-admin::87:
storage:x:95:hal,root
vboxusers:x:513:root
gshadow

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root:::root
bin:::root,bin,daemon
daemon:::root,bin,daemon
sys:::root,bin,adm
adm:::root,adm,daemon
tty:::
disk:::root
lp:::daemon,lp
mem:::
kmem:::
nobody:::
users:::
utmp:x::
floppy:x::
pppusers:x::
nogroup:!::
spot:!::
503:!::
haldaemon:!::
video:!::
power:!::
postgres:!::
pulse:!::
pulse-rt:!::
pulse-access:!::
vboxusers:!::
shadow (contains the encrypted passwords)

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root:$1$FD.MrIhr$BsfBOUpaBH4TPKcq0VcSk0:11329:0:99999:7:::
daemon:!:11141:0:99999:7:::
nobody:!:11141:0:99999:7:::
spot:!:12822:0:99999:7:::
bin:*:9797:0:::::
messagebus:!:0:99999:7:::
haldaemon:!:13993:0:99999:7:::
avahi:*:86:0:::::
gdm:*:95:0:::::
sabayon:*:9797:0:::::
passwd

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root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh
daemon:x:1:1::/:
nobody:x:65534:65534::/tmp:
spot:x:502:502:Linux User,,,:/root/spot:/bin/sh
bin:x:2:2:bin:/bin:
messagebus:x:503:503:Linux User,,,:/tmp:/bin/sh
haldaemon:x:504:3:Linux User,,,:/home/haldaemon:/bin/sh
avahi:x:86:86:avahi:/etc/avahi:
gdm:x:95:95:gdm:/etc/X11/gdm:
sabayon:x:63:63:Sabayon user:/var/sabayon:/bin/false
gnome relies on other settings, too.
Critical seems to be
/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/
Make sure, it has the same values as in WOWs sfs.
But these might be altered by Gnome itself afterwards.

Gnome uses config and registry files spread all over the filesystem.
The programs it depends on, have them elsewhere.
This is a mess to find out, what interacts with what.
Once you start the panel with wrong/missing settings, it is broken.
It then might be best, to replace completely with the original the
/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/

One thing that might work for full installations:
download Muppy0084beta1 LIVE and Gnome.
Merge with SFS-Combiner msy_084.sfs and Gnome.sfs, so that you have a very large msy_084.sfs.
Then boot this frugal or burn a CD, and with this, create a full installation.
But I did NOT test this myself.

Sorry that I can't be more precise, but it took me 3 weeks fulltime to get Gnome to work (almost) as expected.
At least the issues mentioned above, might help you to find out, where the problem is.

One thing concerning HAL:
to fix automount problems, edit:
/etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf

from:

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    <deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement"/>
    <deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.VideoAdapterPM"/>
    <deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.LaptopPanel"/>
    <deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume"/>
    <deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.Crypto"/>
to:

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    <!-- deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement"/ -->
    <!-- deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.VideoAdapterPM"/ -->
    <!-- deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.LaptopPanel"/ -->
    <!-- deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume"/ -->
    <!-- deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.Crypto"/ -->
Without this, it conflicts with other settings in this file.

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#87 Post by Béèm »

Quel galère alors, ce gnome.
I copied your /etc/group to mine and I have the hotplug icons now.
Thanks.

Having used your KDE3.5.8 and finding it somewhat slow specially when using OOo, I discovered wow's gnome.
I liked the configuration possibility of it and performance was better then with KDE, so I started to use it.
Alltho JWM is still faster I regret the lack of a user-friendly configuration facility. Things start to be better, but still gnome is superior from this aspect.

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#88 Post by MU »

yes, I think KDE 3.4 or so I used in Muppy007 was very fast, but 3.5.8 much slower in Muppy008.
But 3.5.8 also was more complete.
I think, also wows Gnome runs faster than my 2.22, because I included almost everything.
So for example the scripts that build the menus, must check many more icons.
I know from my own panel, that this can drastically slow things down.
So it is very important to have these smaller versions, like wows 2.20 or Kirks KDE 3.5.7.
Like this we have the choice - if the small ones suit our needs - great, enjoy the speed.
I not, because e.g. we depend on an application that requires "all" libs, then we must "bite in the sour apple" and use a full Gnome/KDE, but at least we can run this app then.

Time to sleep... ;)
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#89 Post by Béèm »

Fait des beau rêves, Bernard
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#90 Post by Jim1911 »

WOW,

Thanks again for this great gnome distribution.

Have you gotten Gnome Commander or some other two-pane file manager to work in this distribution? There are pet files available for XFE, however, I haven't been able to get XFE to work.

Another note, I am using your 2.20.3 sfs together with Mu's KDE 3.5.8 sfs. It works great and provides some nice KDE programs.

Thanks again,
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#91 Post by tombh »

@Eyes-Only: Blimey, I seem to be missing a lot of thread-updated-email-notifications recently, ah well, c'est la vie.
I'm curious about something: Anyone here in this thread ever try---with a hard drive install of 4.00---mounting the Gnome.sfs file and actually going through the daunting task of a manual install of this Gnome onto the drive to see whether it should work?
Yes! Me! Mind you I had to use a tool called unsquashfs, which I found from somewhere, can't remember where, as mounting gave a version mismatch error.
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#92 Post by Eyes-Only »

Hiya Tom!

A "version mismatch number"? HUH? How so mate? I've been able to mount the .sfs file with my ROX and I haven't gotten any mismatch readings of any sort. Just tells me it's "mounted". Or do you mean after the fact? Like... let me see now... Like when you try booting into the Gnome desktop you then get the warning?

How curiously odd!

Have you ever gotten that with any other mounted and copied over .sfs file? I ask Tom because I've done this with OpenOffice (full) and I think it was the Xfce... never any problems there.

Thanks for your time Tom. :)

Oh! And I'm not really sure whether I am going to do it or not. Godfrey! I've got so many desktops now on Puppy I think I classify as a bonafide "desktop junkie" now! LOL! I lack just the Gnome, KDE, and e17... I've got everything else offered around here. ;) Hmm... next pursuit? A bonafide incorporation of a session manager perhaps like XDM? LOL!

Cheers mate! And thanks for your time and input!

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#93 Post by tombh »

Hiya Eyes-Only,

Oh right, I mean when I tried something like,

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mount -o loop gnome.sfs /mnt/tmp
it said something like,

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the SFS that you are trying to mount was compressed using a 'squasher' (I'm definitely making that word up!) version newer than than the 'unsquasher' that is available.
In the back of my mind wow says something somewhere about version 3 squashfs or something. Anyhow, before I came across the proper way to upgrade it or figure it out or whatever, I came across unsquashfs, which just automatically 'unzips', if you like, the SFS directly to a directory, without all the usual mounting, copying, then unmounting shenanigans.

Anyhow, it's all going well for me now, mostly I'm enjoying the desktop; resizeable icons, great right-click-menu integration, thumbnails, the transparent box that appears when you click and drag to select multiple icons, the little things you know.

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#94 Post by wow »

Jim1911 wrote:Have you gotten Gnome Commander or some other two-pane file manager to work in this distribution?
Well, yes. I was about to include gnome-commander to this SFS (test02) but if you have too many partitions (as I am) the main window becomes too wide, this was a bit annoying so I decided to remove it.
You can always try to compile it by yourself. I can't remember if it has more dependencies than gnome_xxx.sfs and dev_xxx.sfs, hopefully not.

Download the source code from: http://www.nongnu.org/gcmd/
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#95 Post by Béèm »

Eyes-Only wrote:I've got everything else offered around here. :wink: Hmm... next pursuit?
Did you try out virtual PC's f.e. in qemu?
Very interesting.
In this way I am running now puppy, openSUSE, ubuntu, kubuntu.
Qemu runs on my XP PC.
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#96 Post by Eyes-Only »

@Beem: Actually, mon ami, when I'd written "my next persuit?" I meant for a desktop in my Puppy. :oops: As for using VM, it's actually not something that interests me. I don't know how to describe "why not?" though. Sorry!

I do have a virtual machine which came installed with my Parsix (which I use about as much, if not moreso, than Puppy) but I've never bothered starting it up.

I've actually tried nearly all the major distros out there at one time or another over the past three years---some several times and for several months at that (I have a lot of free time on my hands where I don't work, ouais?). But Puppy, in one form or another, has always been my "base", or "default" distro really because of how quickly I can set it up (matter of minutes even with changes), get going, and later on configure it as much as I want and to my heart's content until nobody would even guess it was Puppy. LOL!

Oh yes: And no Windows on this computer. This was built as a Linux-only box. It doesn't know what Windows is. ;) My other computer had 2000 on it but I had them remove it years ago when I got it for 98se---and then I stripped that to the "bare bones" to create my own computer and desktop which ran off the Windows files (.dlls, .libs, etc.) and I used mainly OpenSource for programmes... For my desktop environment then I used AstonShell. Very nice! :)

Seems so long ago... -sigh-

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#97 Post by Jim1911 »

WOW

Thanks, I compiled and installed Gnome Commander 1.2.7 with the source from the link you provided using Pup 4.1 alpha 7. It works perfectly and did not require any additional dependencies.

EDIT: Tried it with Pup 400 and got the following:
# ./configure
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/ginstall -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... ./install-sh -c -d
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
configure: error: gnome-doc-utils >= 0.3.2 not found
I'll not try to do any more with Pup 400 since 4.1 should be released this month and it works fine with the alpha.


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#98 Post by Béèm »

Eyes-Only wrote:@Beem: Actually, mon ami, when I'd written "my next persuit?" I meant for a desktop in my Puppy. :oops: As for using VM, it's actually not something that interests me. I don't know how to describe "why not?" though. Sorry!

I do have a virtual machine which came installed with my Parsix (which I use about as much, if not moreso, than Puppy) but I've never bothered starting it up.

I've actually tried nearly all the major distros out there at one time or another over the past three years---some several times and for several months at that (I have a lot of free time on my hands where I don't work, ouais?). But Puppy, in one form or another, has always been my "base", or "default" distro really because of how quickly I can set it up (matter of minutes even with changes), get going, and later on configure it as much as I want and to my heart's content until nobody would even guess it was Puppy. LOL!

Oh yes: And no Windows on this computer. This was built as a Linux-only box. It doesn't know what Windows is. ;) My other computer had 2000 on it but I had them remove it years ago when I got it for 98se---and then I stripped that to the "bare bones" to create my own computer and desktop which ran off the Windows files (.dlls, .libs, etc.) and I used mainly OpenSource for programmes... For my desktop environment then I used AstonShell. Very nice! :)

Seems so long ago... -sigh-

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jwm desktop loading

#99 Post by Alucinary »

wow wrote:
Béèm wrote:I get first the jwm desktop for a short while and then the Gnome desktop
That's because 'xwin' runs /root/.xinitrd which start the ROX pinboard. To prevent desktop flicktering between ROX and Nautilus I added the command 'killall ROX-Filer' to the Autostart list(System(gnome menu)>Preferences>Sessions)
I am also finding that the jwm desktop is loading breifly just before the gnome one, i am running puppy 408 and tried really hard to follow your instructions to the letter, however it seems that late into the night my brain failed me and i forgot about not having a pup_save file.... :s the installation went ahead fine (after creating a linux swap partition) and gnome loaded but with the breif jwm desktop - is this purely because i had a pup_save? or is there something else im missing? i have tried altering the "killall rox-filer" order in the session settings but it always reverts to 50 and makes no difference to the boot

please let me know if i am missing something (being really nather new to puppy!) or if i simply have to start again without the pup_save...

Thanks for your help :)

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#100 Post by wow »

@Alucinary: that "jwm desktop"(ROX's pinboard) is launched by the /root/.xinitrc script. Comment out this line in /root/.xinitrc to remove it:

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#rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin
Now if you don't want to load the pinboard only for "gnome-session", add these lines just before the end:

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if [ "$CURRENTWM" != "gnome-session" ];then
 rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin
fi
Something like this:

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if [ "$CURRENTWM" != "gnome-session" ];then
 rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin
fi

#exec $CURRENTWM
#v2.11 GuestToo suggested this improvement...
which $CURRENTWM && exec $CURRENTWM
[ -x $CURRENTWM ] && exec $CURRENTWM
exec jwm

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