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#201 Post by nooby »

# GvR Sept 30th 2004
color black/cyan yellow/cyan
timeout=5
default=0

title Puppy 301 PcPuppyOS
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /puppy301/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy301
vga=normal keyb=se
initrd /puppy301/initrd.gz
boot

title Puppy Linux 4 orig
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy4orig/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy4orig
keyb=se
initrd (hd0,0)/puppy4orig/initrd.gz
boot

title Puppy Linux 4.00
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy400/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy400 keyb=se
initrd (hd0,0)/puppy400/initrd.gz
boot


title Nimblex 2008

kernel (hd0,0)/boot/base/vmlinuz-nx08 vga=normal max_loop=255 init=linuxrc load_ramdisk=1 prompt_ramdisk=0 ramdisk_size=4444 root=/dev/ram0 rw autoexec=xconf2;startx from=/boot/
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/base/initrd-nx08.gz

title Windows XP SP2 Boot on HD 0
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
boot

#

thanks for the detaileddescription. I would have no chance knowing such on my own.
I'm a complete noob.

the thing on nimblex is my desperate attempt to mimic Gianni suggesting
something similar. But I failed so if you spot what went wrong I appreciate suggestions to set it right. It fails to find nimblex files.

I go to test muppy now. Back in 15 minutes
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#202 Post by MU »

Oh no idea about nimblex...

For Muppy you could use:

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title Muppy0083f
root (hd0,0) 
kernel /muppy0083f/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=muppy0083f acpi=force layerfs=aufs
initrd /muppy0083f/initrd.gz
So you had to copy from CD these files to /muppy0083f:
vmlinuz
initrd.gz
msy_083.sfs
zmsy_083.sfs


If you use the Mini, also download addons_083.sfs, but this must go to "/" of your Harddrive, NOT to /muppy0083f/.

Sidenote:
for Puppy 3, you do not use the option:
layerfs=aufs
You should add that, it fixes many bugs.
It also might be good for Puppy 4.

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#203 Post by nooby »

Thanks I did the change you suggested to the best of my knowledge and
I rebooted after that but playrapport still failed.
It says I need flashplugin I tried to add that from same menu place
and tested both opera and dillo and the third browser?

What now what goes wrong? I test dr.dk now.
is it opera I am supposed to use? Should I not go into
their tools or anything.
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#204 Post by MU »

Muppy has Opera and Dillo in the "Mini".
This Opera does not work with Flash 9. It also does not use the Mplayerplugin.
To use Flash 9, you need Firefox.

Firefox is in the "Standard/Live" version (700 MB).
If you have the Mini only (140 MB), then you need "addons_083.sfs".
As mentioned above, it must be placed in "/" of your hda1.
It also must be activated in the bootmanager (Startmenu - System - bootmanager - SFS modules).

If even Firefox fails, then you could try Muppy 0084alpha05.
Despite the alpha-status, it works quite well.
I just test some final issues, before it will go to the Beta-phase next week.
It has updated versions, and Opera there works with Flash 10beta2.

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#205 Post by nooby »

Oups I thought me had a good enough version. Over 500 meg that is big. :)
I mean I use puppy to be lean and mean. No offence. I guess it needs to be
that big to work.

So no use in making this one a frugal mode then.

So your bigger Mu is the more complete one then.

Is that one based on puppy 4.0 can I just delete the puppy 4
I have frugal now and add the files in your standard or most
accomplished one then.

I sure want the features. Your Muppy is kind of different.

I fail to find the shut down button on Opera. Usually it is
in upper rigth corner and you have stripepd it off? Same with
the other browsers. none had a close button on them.

It is so odd that I guess you have some estetic consideration.
But it is not practical. The body want to shut it down but there
is no button to do it with. I have to go to file and then after that
to quit. No criticism. You like to change thing?

what more will be unusual with it.
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#206 Post by MU »

if yours is over 500 MB, that it is the Standard/Live version with Firefox.
You can run firefox from "Startmenu - Internet".

I of course did not delete the close buttons :shock:
Could you post a screenshot please?
Startmenu - Grafics - mtpaint screenshot

Muppy 0084alpha you should install in a own folder.
It is not based on Puppy 4, but on Slackware 12.1/Gnomeslack and a modified Puppy 3. I is basically a version-upgrade of 0083.

You find version alpha 05 here:
ftp://ks301128.kimsufi.com/Muppy0084/Alpha-test/05/
General info, also for frugal installation:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31373

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#207 Post by nooby »

04??? I went to your home page english version and there was version 03
and I have already burnt the CD and was about to ask you what next
When I realize you talk about a revision of your best one :)

Where is the download link to that one then?

And when I have burned it and want to extract the four files and put them in
muppu008f folder.

so which one should I use. the 03 or the 04? are 04 that much better and tested that you rather recommend that one?

should I not test using the 03 I could do 04 tomorrow. Don't want to dl
04 now when I am so close to getting a frugal thing going.

So if I get it. I should write puppy acpi=force layerfs=aufs

before I load it or doesn't that matter for the four files?

Do I open two instances of a file handler? and drag and drop the four files to the folder from CD into sda1?

I go into the muppy live standard dvd now so it will take some ten minutes and read your answer here. Hope you ahve time. Thanks
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#208 Post by nooby »

So you had to copy from CD these files to /muppy0083f:
vmlinuz
initrd.gz
msy_083.sfs
zmsy_083.sfs

Would it be bad to add the other files too?

Does something bad happen if I add the others?

Ok I take them away then. I copied all of the four now and

are ready to test. The goodies should be in / ok I try to remember

the x11R7 something should that one be there too?
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#209 Post by MU »

This thread here deals with 0083 (current release: F).
It is the current stable, recommended version.
It can be downloaded from the homepage (english: http://minisys-linux.de/EN/).

That other thread deals with 0084Alpha (current release: Alpha05), which is not tested well.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31373
So I usually do not recommend it.

But as that new 0084alpha might solve your Streaming issues, I recommend, that you try it, too.
As I said, it is quite usable already, but you might find some more bugs than in 0083.
Play around with 0083F and 0084Alpha5, to see, which works better for you.
--------------------------------------
The goodies you do not need.
You downloaded them from the folder 0083c.
0083c is outdated, the files there just remain for people, that still use version 0083c.
You don't need them, because you have version F.
Please delete them, they could break things in F.

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#210 Post by nooby »

Writing from within frugal install of 803f and have now deleted the goodies and the x11R7 something.

Have tested youtube and it seems to work very well. Rock solid so far.
Sound worked out of the box and ethernet card out of the box and
so on.

So now I only have to do the activation of flash and the mplayer plug in.
should I use f7 ro f9?

How do I activate real player? .rm files.

Should I activate Java then in the menu -> internet or should that
be activated from within firefox? By looking for addons?

So much to learn.

But very happy me got frugal install seems to work without any trouble.

On the Desktop The weather something wanted to load but failed. Maybe only works if on live in Germany. How do I deactivated it. I pushed a lot of buttons
but it continued to want to load.

did you recommend one unmount the sda1 the HD before shutting down?

I have a vague memory someobdy talked about that thursday. But I saved
book mark in another place.

I should try to save them in my gmx.com email instead so I always can reach them or in a html file on the sda1 maybe

What more do I need to remember for to best use of your Muppy?

Thanks indeed for providing it and your sense for helping out.
Much appreciated. I guess me wait with the beta until this one
miss something me long for badly.
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#211 Post by MU »

So now I only have to do the activation of flash and the mplayer plug in.
should I use f7 ro f9?
Use Flash 9.
It supports far more sites.
Just in seldom cases it crashes, than activate Flash 7 to view the corresponding site.
Should I activate Java then in the menu -> internet or should that
be activated from within firefox? By looking for addons?
In Firefox.
Edit - preferences - Content (or similar, I have the german one).
There is a checkbox for Java.
On the Desktop The weather something wanted to load but failed. Maybe only works if on live in Germany. How do I deactivated it. I pushed a lot of buttons
Right-click the weather, - "configure desklet".
Change the location code to SWXX0031.
That is Stockholm.
Or visit http://www.weather.com. Enter a city in "Enter zip or US/Intl city".
Then you will see the online forecast.
In the locationbar of your browser you then can see the location code.

To remove the desklet:
Right-click - remove desklet.
did you recommend one unmount the sda1 the HD before shutting down?
I think you can't as it is in use by the savefiile.
Muppy will try to unmount it at shutdown.
What more do I need to remember for to best use of your Muppy?
Hard to say, just ask again if you need more info :)

Glad you ike it!
Mange takk.
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#212 Post by MU »

How do I activate real player? .rm files.
I think they will be recognized by the mplayer or realmedia plugin.
If not, please give me a link for testing.
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#213 Post by nooby »

To unmount the hd was not good. Crashed the x so I had to restart
xorg nd xwin too. Wow felt panic.

Weather is beautiful now. Thanks indeed.

I need to test more tomorrow. Looking promising this far.
will or could be my main puppy and linux in future then. :)

Glad you ike it!
Mange takk.
Mark

Don't temp me to try German.
We tried to learn it 1.5 years around 1972 not sure exact year.
Drei terminen? I habe keine worter in kopf unt meine grammar?
ist totally kaputt. Deutche Well in? Fernsehen Ich nie ferstehen
Sie sprechen ser snell und meine kopf ... fail to catch up but
that is how fail when looking at movies in English too. They talk
too fast. Written english I get fairly good. Not academic text but
normal in Chip if it had been in English and such But Chip in Deutch
me get most nil or zero. German grammar and me remember too
few words.

Gruss Gott?

thanks indeed for standing up for me here. I try to get on on my own
for a while to not overload your generosity.

Fred Werther

PS
No I don't have German relatives. Maybe in French speaking Belgium?
Swedish native here since 1650 I guess.
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#214 Post by MU »

not bad, if it was really so long ago :)
I can understand what you wrote, though it contains errors.

Ok, I will continue to test 0084 now.
Have a good time :)
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#215 Post by glocal »

MU wrote:
OK, I disabled nvidia-installer and or Muppywebcam but I am wondering why nvidia is loaded by default just in case it's necessary. I mean what are the chances a system will in fact have a nvidia card?
This is just a small shellscript that checks, if an nvidia-card is present.
I will not use many resources.
My impression is it runs at bootup to check of nvidia is present and exits. Is that true? If yes, I don't mind it running. It would make Muppy more portable, just in case I run it on a PC with nvidia.
I am still trying to figure out how to reduce the desktop icons to less than 50% even.
Look at /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/globicons to see, what icons are used.
Then you can scale them in Gimp.
Open in Gimp, choose "image - resample".
This sounds like attempting open heart surgery with an axe :) I wonder why there isn't a setting somewhere. I am also wondering if pinboard_image_scaling in /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/Options would be relevant but I wouldn't touch it myself without knowing what it does for sure -- not now that I have a working Puppy :)
But my background-setter simulates a color by creating a bitmap with only one colour.
So it needs not many resources.
I may understand this the wrong way but if you create a bitmap of a single colour, it is still a bitmap that will be loaded. I don't see why it would be any different to any wallpaper resources-wise.
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#216 Post by glocal »

MU wrote: yes.
If you install a dotpet example-0.3 , but example-0.1 is part of Muppy, then the files of 0.1 will be just "overwritten" (stored in your savefile).
This is achived using the layered filesystem (aufs).
But the original files are internally still present in the write-protected msy_083.sfs.
Sorry to labour the point -- you must be fed up answering the same question by now, but the file structure is crucial for understanding how to do other things without asking. So, Muppy 083F Live comes with three files: vmlinuz, initrd.gz and msy_083.sfs. All the apps are in the .sfs. When you do a frugal all these are copied to the HD and an msy_save.2fs is created which is a copy of the .sfs initially but new .pet applications and personal settings are stored in there. When you update installed apps the .2fs is updated and installed apps extend or replace parts of that .2fs, but the .sfs remains untouched unless you remaster (or is it rebuild?). Installing .sfs applications means they are mounted externally through the bootloader and do not become part of the .2fs, only personal settings do. Is all this correct? Somehow, I doubt it. If yes, I would expect the .2fs to be at least as large as the .sfs. Here it is smaller. Also, there is a small zmsy_083.sfs I don't know what it is.

So, to upgrade a user-installed .pet you execute it and the .2fs is updated. To install a .sfs application you mount it externally. To upgrade a .sfs application you simply replace its .sfs and the personal settings are retained in the .2fs.

Now, how do I install as frugal a new version of Muppy (a) without affecting the existing version, installed apps and personal settings (b) replacing the existing Muppy but without affecting the installed apps and personal settings?
Firefox 3 can be installed in addition to Firefox 2, just download it from mozilla.org, and extract it for example in /usr/local/firefox3.
I thought you couldn't do that just like that. If you can, why are there so many Firefox files in sfs form prepared by fellow Puppy users?
You could try the current 0084alpha5 in addition, it includes firefox3:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31373
Normally, I install alphas but I am sure I will break something I won't know how to fix, so I better wait :)
/root/.icewm/theme
That file defines the default-theme.
One problem with themes is that there is no preview and you have to try them one-by-one, but at least it's not something you do very often.

Thanks for your patience!
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Blinky messed up display

#217 Post by glocal »

This is probably a IceWM issue, but just in case. These are two screenshots of the clock area. Sometimes it shows OK, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, restarting IceWM (no other panel) can sometimes, but not always, fix this. Anyone else seeing this? Normally there would also be the bandwidth meter somewhere there, but I don't have a network connection right now, so it is missing. In any case, its presence wouldn't change anything.
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an other checksum error

#218 Post by catblack »

Hi Mark,

it's not a bad checksum but a wrong filename that first makes some trouble for me.

On the site "http://minisys-linux.de/", when I click

Download Muppy-Live (checksumme) - 690 MB
a window comes up with

The file "Muppy-Minisys-Linux-Live-008.3-DE.iso" is of type ...

... This file is located at:
ftp://ks.301128.kimsufi.com

and if I click (checksumme) then I get

"8afabd3958dae7f2580322d1dcfb5cd9 Muppy-Minisys-Linux-Live-008.3F-DE.iso"

The names of the files are different - with and without "F" so I get an error-message by checking with the parameter -c. I deleted "F" in the checksum-file and the test was ok.

This makes a problem for beginners coming from "W$-98/XP".

In the germane forum the topic "Installieren des Betriebsystems" and the problems of the author Itbremer let me install Muppy-Minisys as frugal on my very old laptop ASUS L8400C without any problems.

Many thanks for the good work

Klaus

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Scanner Problem

#219 Post by Barburo »

Hi Mark,
I have your Mini 008.3f with add-ons nicely customized, but I'm having trouble getting my scanner to work. On my desktop machine I have an older Puppy 2.15 that has xsane 0.991 (or something like that) working fine. In mini-muppy I can get the front end included in the add-ons to start OK, but after the warning (run as root at your peril!) all I get is ... searching for devices ... then "no devices found". I know my scanner is connected (USB) and turned on.

Anyone have any suggestions? Do I need to download extra pups?

... oh one other thing - withConky properly configured I don't need icedock (and I have enough clocks etc.) so where do I turn icedock off - it doesn't seem to load through Autostart or .xinitrc

Thanks, B.
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#220 Post by MU »

what scanner?
There certainly will be a new Kernelmodule needed.

icedock is launched in /root/.icewm/startup.
You can click on the folder-icon left bottom in the taskbar, that opens a small menu, there you can launch it in the editor.

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