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Minisys-Linux Muppy 008.3 F (July, 12th, 2008)
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Thu 29 May 2008, 01:51    Post subject:  

I got wireless working in Muppy on an Acer laptop -
Acer Aspire 3624WXCi.
Just so easy...first time that I've tried out wireless in Puppy.

No doubt this has worked in other Puppies and Puplets
of recent times.....but I have to say it was really good.
Always nice when you don't expect success and all goes well.

Is Firewall on by default remains to be answered though, please MU.

Can anyone tell me how Wine can be made to work...simplistically
or a link. I have set it up as XP on the Muppy Wine tool..
Do I just add a program link or what?....in Muppy.

I also like the SFS file being a different name, and therefore
not being overridden.

Once again MU...thanks....Chris.
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Barburo


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PostPosted: Fri 30 May 2008, 03:42    Post subject: Nvidia and Muppy 008.3d
Subject description: How I got it to work
 

Hi Mark,
I was unable to install any version of puppy prior to version 3.xx on my HP Pavilion tx1000 notebook which has an nVidia GeForce Go 6150 card. The tx1000 has a reputation for being a bit difficult (according to Barry's posts).

When puppy's xorgwizard runs, it creates this section:
Quote:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0"
...

allowing for two screens but the wizard only only defines screen0:
Quote:

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubSection
EndSection


The xorgwizard always fails for me (blank screen for test even though I choose 1200x800 and it returns null values for resolution).
If I then directly tweak xorg.conf by copying the screen0 definition to create an extra Section "Screen" with zeros changed to ones:
Quote:

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen1"
Device "Card1"
Monitor "Monitor1"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubSection
EndSection

then saving and exiting, the xorgwizard then works, and I get the correct 1200x800 screen resolution.
When I apply nvidia (as in Muppy 008.3) my external monitor (at 1440x900) is recognized by my nvidia card and it also displays correctly!

Hope this helps the nvidia discussion, and others who may have similar problems.

One note - installing Muppy standard allows this technique to work.
Muppy mini however doesn't allow this fix to work (not sure why - maybe because the nvidia components are in the addon .sfs files).

One other small thing - when rebooting or powering off the confirmation box "OK" button only responds to a mouse click.
Enter or tab + enter should work but doesn't.

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MU


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PostPosted: Fri 30 May 2008, 06:32    Post subject:  

Thanks for the instructions to use 2 screens.
I encontered this too, on one system, and could not sort out yet, how to fix it.
I should try to write a script, that checks that issue.

The Nvidia-drivers (and propriatary Ati, and free DRI modules) are in addons.sfs for the Mini, so that must be added in the bootmanager.
Most cards run without it (but then not accellerated).
If a card completely fails, and so you get no chance to add addons.sfs, then you must use the Standard-Iso, where everything is included in the main sfs.

Mark

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jun 2008, 19:37    Post subject: Re: Minisys-Linux Muppy 008.3d (may,21,2008)
Subject description: english and german versions, 43 to 690+ MB
 

I want to "slim-down the standard version a bit to allow me to install
some ham radio programs. http://www.w1hkj.com/emcpup.html

I use a lot of the standard distribution(some of which I understand) but don't play games at all.

Can I simply delete the games applications from my Live-CD and then remaster it?

I'm not sure with a Live-CD if I can really add in the sfs files
to the mini version to get the standard less the games.

Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 05:27    Post subject:  

Important info for all Muppy users

The first message talks about bugs concerning Firefox and other applications due to unionfs.
Result is a "freeze" of those applications.

I think I found a very simple solution now.
Barry once added the alternative to unionfs, "aufs".
I think it was default in one version of Puppy 2, but then Barry switched to unionfs again.
Since yesterday I use aufs, and have no more freezes!
Aufs is very popular, it is used by Knoppix and Slax.
So it seems to be reliable.

To use aufs, simply do this:
1.) If you start from CD, type at the short 5 second bootprompt:
puppy layerfs=aufs

2.) If you run Muppy using Grub, add to the line with the Kernel:
layerfs=aufs

Like this such a line looks on my system:
Code:
  title Muppy 0083 Standard AUFS
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /muppy0083/vmlinuz acpi=force layerfs=aufs pmedia=idehd pdev1=hda5 psubdir=muppy0083
  initrd /muppy0083/initrd.gz


You CAN use your old savefile with this change!

I made a test running on a Pentium 700 with 256 MB Ram using Muppy-Standard:
OpenOffice Firefox Seamonkey Opera Gimp Internet Explorer Xfe, all at the same time.
I had NO crash even after 1 hour.
Only Internet-Explorer caused 99% CPU-usage after I closed it, but that must be a different issue.

We will check aufs using a Minisys brute force penetration, and if no new problems appear, upgrade to 008.3E this weekend (with only change that aufs will be added everywhere as default, like in Universal installer, initrd.gz and so on).

Please report the results youu get, if you already check it on your own as described above.

Mark

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 05:39    Post subject: Re: Minisys-Linux Muppy 008.3d (may,21,2008)
Subject description: english and german versions, 43 to 690+ MB
 

tlchost wrote:
Can I simply delete the games applications from my Live-CD and then remaster it?


I did not try that yet, as I use the buildsystem to add stuff to Muppy.
But you could try Sunburnts new "mksfs", to add files to msy_083.sfs:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29839

Different to SFS-Combiner, it does not need a temporary Linuxdrive to create a SFS.
Mark

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 06:26    Post subject: Re: Minisys-Linux Muppy 008.3d (may,21,2008)
Subject description: english and german versions, 43 to 690+ MB
 

MU wrote:
tlchost wrote:
Can I simply delete the games applications from my Live-CD and then remaster it?


I did not try that yet, as I use the buildsystem to add stuff to Muppy.
But you could try Sunburnts new "mksfs", to add files to msy_083.sfs:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29839



I tried it, and before I saw you fix, it didn't work (g).

I manually made an sfs file of the programs in /root/Windows/Windows-C/Programs ... I got it to load, but the programs wouldn't run. Should I have made an sfs of /root/Windows instead ?

Since the standard version of .083d with some of my addtions works on both the desktop and laptop, I was hoping to create an sfs of windows programs that I need now and again.

Thom
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 06:34    Post subject:  

Interesting. I raised the issue of unionfs vs. aufs with Barry on his blog a week or so back.
Do we understand that the extra bootcode is all that is required? Or does it depend on a lot more things?
http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00126
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 06:36    Post subject:  

tlchost
/root/Windows/Windows-C
This is just a symlink to:
/root/.wine/drive_c

If you install a program in Wine, it will add several modifications to the Wine (Windows) files, like the registry.
So to add them to the SFS, the best will be, to add the whole folder:
/root/.wine/drive_c
or maybe even better:
/root/.wine/

Mark

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 06:37    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
Interesting. I raised the issue of unionfs vs. aufs with Barry on his blog a week or so back.
Do we understand that the extra bootcode is all that is required?


yessss Very Happy
And thanks for raising that issue in the blog, it was the clue for me, to search the forum for the few buried aufs-messages, that finally helped me.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 06:43    Post subject:  

MU wrote:

If you install a program in Wine, it will add several modifications to the Wine (Windows) files, like the registry.
So to add them to the SFS, the best will be, to add the whole folder:
/root/.wine/drive_c
or maybe even better:
/root/.wine/


ThanksI should have mentioned that all of the applications are portable, that is they do NOT make registry entries, and thus, don;t have to be installed.

Thom
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 07:52    Post subject:  

Quote:
nteresting. I raised the issue of unionfs vs. aufs with Barry on his blog a week or so back.
Do we understand that the extra bootcode is all that is required? Or does it depend on a lot more things?
http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00126


This does not apply to Puppy4, it does not include AUFS. Though Puppy4 has a very different version of Unionfs. I haven't had any lockup problems, but I only used Puppy3 for a month or so.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 08:04    Post subject:  

Quote:
yessss

Well, that is a tremendous help for all of using FULL installations, Mark, when the bootcode can be permanently written into menu.lst . Maybe GXine will behave?
Yesterday, at the nth attempt(!), I succeeded in Frugally installing 3.01 onto a 425Mb drive and Fully installing to a 525Mb drive. There are millions of these things still circulating. Sometimes, the bell-curve for mass-produced kit can work in your favour. The survivors, even if only 1%, could last forever - the sample of early failures has long since passed through the system. Data and settings can be written to another old drive or directly to CD/DVD-RW and swap space on an old 200Mb drive. This is real planet-saving stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 08:10    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
Quote:
yessss

Well, that is a tremendous help for all of using FULL installations, ...


I don't think so.
Full installations do not use unionfs.
As they write to real partitions.
Unionfs is just required, if (write-protected) squashfs files are used.
Unionfs merges their file-structure with a writable filestructure, so that files in the SFS can be "virtually" deleted.

In full installations, this is not the case, so no unionfs is used,and no aufs is required as a replacement.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jun 2008, 08:31    Post subject:  

Thanks again, Mark - I try to learn something new every day! Hadn't realised that unionfs/aufs was only associated with compression. Funny how these elementary misconceptions creep under the radar for us non-IT people.
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