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#81 Post by oblivious »

Isn't the package "qt-3.3.8.pet" the correct one?
All I can say is that that is all I installed and portabase worked from a menu icon which appeared after a reboot. Did you give it a try?

My view is that if it doesn't work, then something may have gone wrong with the installation of qt-3.3.8, or there may be some other drama with it..... If it works, let it complain about dependencies if it wants to :lol:

Sorry, I'm not much help :?

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#82 Post by BarryK »

Swarup,
It seems that you have "downgraded" a pup_save file (your personal storage file). That's a no no.
Puppy is only designed to upgrade, not downgrade, the pup_save file.
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#83 Post by Swarup »

BarryK wrote:Swarup,
It seems that you have "downgraded" a pup_save file (your personal storage file). That's a no no.
Puppy is only designed to upgrade, not downgrade, the pup_save file.
Ah, THAT must be what the problem is! I think you caught the issue. You are right-- I had initially installed 4.0, and then when I was informed on another thread that 4.0 will not work with SCIM/m17n (complex font software) yet, then I switced to 3.0 by replacing the frugal 4.0 files with the 3.0 ones... but I LEFT the 4.0 pup_save file there because my ndiswrapper wireless was already set up with it. Upon booting, I found the the 4.0 pup-save file seemed to be working just fine with 3.0-- and thereupon left the matter. And there haven't been any issues with it until now I tried to download qt3 and it wasn't in the Package Manager.

So what it is the solution? Am I going to have to have to get rid of my 4.0 pup_save file which I've been using in 3.01? It has a fair bit of stuff in it, but nothing I couldn't set up again fairly quickly. Once I do that, I guess the Package Manager will again start working appropriately? And this elusive qt3 package will be able to be installed?
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#84 Post by harryh »

Hi oblivious

I installed the portabase with qt-3.3.8.pet in puppy4 and it's working fine.

Thx Harryh :D

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#85 Post by oblivious »

So what it is the solution?
I have no idea :lol: - but if it were me, I'd start again to make sure that everything is "normal". One day, it will complain about something when it's really, really important to you.....

(You could move the stuff you really want to keep to a separate partition to avoid having to redo everything.)

@Harryh - jolly good - that's 2 success stories!

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#86 Post by WhoDo »

oblivious wrote:(You could move the stuff you really want to keep to a separate partition to avoid having to redo everything.)
...or, you could move the stuff you need to the free space of the same partition but outside the pup_save.2fs file, ready to bring it back when you have created a new one. That saves swapping partitions to store data.

Just look for /mnt/home with your pup_save.2fs mounted and that will show you the partition space outside the pup_save.

Hope that helps.
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#87 Post by Swarup »

Thanks for all the guidance on how to manage the pup_save file. I think it is real clear now. :)

By the way, Whodo, you had mentioned that to bring Kexi into Puppy as I've been using it in Ubuntu:
Here's a suggestion; what about just using the Gnome sfs with Puppy and then you can keep Kexi in its present form? That way you get the best that Puppy can offer with the familiarity of your Ubuntu wm. Just a thought.


I've been reading around on this, and have seen it discussed in the setting of Puppy 4.0. But I need to run 3.01 still, because SCIM is not yet working in 4.0. Have you seen the Gnome sfs used with 3.01? I'd like to give it a shot, if there are some instructions somewhere for using it in 3.01.

And what you are suggesting by this, is that once the Gnome sfs is installed, then I could compile Kexi in Puppy 3.01 using the same technique I had done to compile it in Ubuntu, right?

Is it that without the Gnome sfs, Kexi will not compile into Puppy? I'm just concerned about questions of size and especially speed. So I'm thinking that running Gnome instead of JWM may slow my machine down considerably. So if I don't need to use Gnome to bring in Kexi, I guess I'd prefer not to. But if there is no other option, I'll certainly give it a shot.

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#88 Post by WhoDo »

Swarup wrote:Have you seen the Gnome sfs used with 3.01? I'd like to give it a shot, if there are some instructions somewhere for using it in 3.01.
No, I haven't, but there should be no reason why it wouldn't work. The sfs should contain all dependencies and the only problem might be in version clashes with libraries, etc. It's easy enough to trial it - simply set the sfs in the 3.01 boot manager and reboot. If it doesn't work, boot from CD, remove the sfs and reboot.
Swarup wrote:And what you are suggesting by this, is that once the Gnome sfs is installed, then I could compile Kexi in Puppy 3.01 using the same technique I had done to compile it in Ubuntu, right?
Nope. I'm suggesting that Kexi's binary compiled in Ubuntu may actually work in Puppy natively so long as you have the Gnome interface installed.
Swarup wrote:Is it that without the Gnome sfs, Kexi will not compile into Puppy?
Nope. If you wanted to try recompiling Kexi for Puppy native then we'd all be happy campers should you succeed. My only fear is that there will be a mountain of dependencies to overcome and the devil of a job to do that.
Swarup wrote:I'm just concerned about questions of size and especially speed. So I'm thinking that running Gnome instead of JWM may slow my machine down considerably. So if I don't need to use Gnome to bring in Kexi, I guess I'd prefer not to. But if there is no other option, I'll certainly give it a shot.
Technically the sfs shouldn't impact too much on speed because it sits outside the pup_save.2fs file and is unpacked at boot time (I think?). That's why adding the Open Office sfs doesn't slow things down on boot - only when you start the program is it mind-numbingly slow to load. If you have enough RAM it runs at Puppy speed once loaded.

Good luck with the endeavour. Best option for all of us would be Kexi compiled natively in Puppy, but if that's not possible then a Kexi that works with the Gnome.sfs would be the next best thing IMHO.
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#89 Post by RR Koothady »

Hey!

Kexi for Puppy is available here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 63&t=29856

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#90 Post by Swarup »

Hot off the press. What a find! --Just now read the post, and it sounds quite promising.

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#91 Post by Swarup »

I installed Portabase and the qt-3.3.8.pet package, this time in a version of a Puppy 3.01 which is an original 3.01 (and not a downgrade from 4.0 with the wrong pup_save file as I did earlier). So this time, both packages downloaded and installed fine. Although STILL, after first installing qt-3.3.8.pet and then Portabase, at the end of the Portabase install it says there is a missing dependency: libqt-mt.so.3. And although Portabase is listed under Menu-> Personal, but it will not open. No sign of life. I thought the only dependency for Portabase, was fulfilled by installing qt-3.3.8.pet ? And this other package (libqt-mt.so.3) is not found in Package Manger. What should I do now?

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#92 Post by muggins »

Someone else reported that, when they installed qt-3.3.8, libqt-mt.so.3 was missing, but after they re-installed it, (or maybe they rebooted?), it was OK. I just checked my qt-3.3.8, and libqt-mt.so.3 definitely in in the right location.

If you enter ls /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt* , what response do you get?

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#93 Post by KF6SNJ »

I would hope he gets an answer similiar to this:

/usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.prl
/usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3
/usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.8

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#94 Post by Swarup »

KF6SNJ wrote:I would hope he gets an answer similiar to this:

/usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.prl
/usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3
/usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.8
After reading your post as well as the one above, I have rebooted into Puppy, and found that Portabase is now working just fine. Yeh! And upon doing the terminal command requested, I do indeed get the output above shown. --Guess it just needed a fresh reboot. Thank you. :)

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#95 Post by Swarup »

I am trying to import from Kexi (in Ubuntu) into Portabase (in Puppy). To that end, I exported from Kexi into a csv file, and then converted the csv into an xml file using this application: http://csv2xml.sourceforge.net/, which I have installed in Puppy. I opened Portabase and executed the import of the xml, but am getting this error message:
Error at: Line 1, Column 5
unknown element: row
I know there are various xml formats. Could it be that the xml format which the csv2xml application creates, is not acceptable to the Portabase import tool? If anyone familiar with xml file formats could take a look at this page which explains Portabase's xml format:
http://portabase.sourceforge.net/portabase_xml.html, and let me know if you think the csv2xml converter would create files consistent with that format, this would be a big help.

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#96 Post by Swarup »

I wrote to the Portabase creator, Jeremy Bowman, about the above question. Here below is his reply. I think it answers the matter quite clearly:
PortaBase uses its own XML format, which is documented at http://portabase.sourceforge.net/portabase_xml.html. It also imports CSV files, so you shouldn't have to use csv2xml at all (although there are variations in how different applications define CSV, so you still might need to tweak things a little). Importing CSV does require you to first create the PortaBase file you want to import the data into and define appropriate columns...this is probably less work than trying to write an XSLT file or such to convert the XML syntax you have into something that PortaBase would understand, though.

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#97 Post by Colonel Panic »

muggins wrote:Someone else reported that, when they installed qt-3.3.8, libqt-mt.so.3 was missing, but after they re-installed it, (or maybe they rebooted?), it was OK. I just checked my qt-3.3.8, and libqt-mt.so.3 definitely in in the right location.

If you enter ls /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt* , what response do you get?
I got the listing of files as stated, but when I tried to run Portabase I got the message "/lib/libpthread.so.0: version 'GLIBC.2.3.3' not found (required by usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3)."

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#98 Post by muggins »

Colonel,

you don't mention which pupversion you're using? Is this using the pup3 qt-3.3.8 on pup3?

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#99 Post by Colonel Panic »

muggins wrote:Colonel,

you don't mention which pupversion you're using? Is this using the pup3 qt-3.3.8 on pup3?
Thanks for replying.

You got me there! I'm using Pizzasgood's fine Pizzapup 3.01, which is based on Puppy 2.14. (I'm posting from an old version of Flock btw).

I'm thinking of getting Lighthouse Pup, and that's not based on Puppy 4 either; in any case it won't be for a little while. Are there libraries I can download to save me having to get a whole new Pup?

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#100 Post by muggins »

Colonel,

try removing the qt-3.3.8 .pet, and instead install the pup2 qt-3.3.6 .pet.

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