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Béèm · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 04:40 Post_subject:

wow,

The reason I start from an existing pup_save is, that I have 12 programs installed and I didn't want to loose them. The same counts for personalized setup. f.e. my internet connection worked right away as it had been configured before.

I did the same for KDE 3.5.8 and XFCE 442 and had no problem, so I am a bit disappointed that it didn't work for this Gnome, specially as I did the same thing with an earlier version of Gnome some time ago.

Béèm · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 04:51 Post_subject:

Well, really no luck.
I started with pfix=ram and I wasn't offered to make a pup_save file.

So what now? (beta 1)

EDIT:
Forgot to say, that Dingo-Xorg-DRI.pet can't be installed.
Not enough room after it is in /root/.packages
Free space 25110 blocks, needed 82192 for expansion.
As I am still in the stage of pfix=ram I can't increase a pup_safe as there is none and I don't see how I can get more space.
Well I remember vaguely a trick to attach more space from another location to tmpfs, but I have to look for it where that advice was given.

So I am at a stop for the moment.

EDITa:
I found the trick, but it didn't work.
I am afraid I am at a full stop definitely
I have 256MB or ram and from this 119MB free as space to use.
I can't increase this anymore unless I install more ram.
So I am unable to follow the procedure exactly as more space (thus ram) is needed to install the Dingo-Xorg-DRI.pet.

EDITb:
As the beta 2 was out I tried that one and I have the same issue.
What more is, as with the the beta 1 I am even not offered to make a pup_save. This option is jst bypassed.
I didn't encounter this before as I always do a migration/version update on the existing pup_save files.

Eyes-Only · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 14:04 Post_subject:

Ah! Tant pis Beem! Sad

Je dis ca car Gnome en Puppy est vraiment fantastique et tres vite! Plus vite que KDE en Puppy j'crois!

English: Ah! Too bad Beem Sad

I say this because Gnome in Puppy is really fantastic and very fast! Much faster, I think, than KDE in Puppy!

It's too bad that a remaster of this couldn't be made. I tried but it requires a much better mind than mine unfortunately. Where I stumble is when it calls for a "pristine or edited /etc directory". You can't start with a "pristine" "/etc" directory in the remaster because several directories are there from the Gnome**.sfs and by removing those you cause breakage.

But keep the entire "/etc" and then it can't find your IP address. So for me it was a "no win situation".

However, even with adding the complete SeaMonkey Suite to Dingo Beta, plus Firefox, Thunderbird, two Libfiles needed to run Firefox/TBird, plus a new icon scheme for Gnome/Rox (OxygenRefit & ROX-Oxygen pack), my remaster came in at 225megs which should run on a 256megs of RAM, eh? Or try a "puppy pfix=noram" option perhaps?

That latter option may even help you in your current situation Beem? I've seen it mentioned as an option here, one of the "cheatcodes" that I guess isn't listed when Puppy boots up? Myself, I've never tried it. I should to see if it'll work.

Oh, by the way: When adding Firefox 2.0.0.12 to the mix it does break Epiphany. I should add that note. But I prefer Firefox to Epiphany. (Actually I prefer Galeon but it's no longer being worked on.)

Anyway, would be nice to see this as like a Puppy derrivative as well?

Amicalement,

Eyes-Only
"L'Peau-Rouge"

Béèm · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 15:12 Post_subject:

Oui je peux confirmer que Gnome est plus rapide que KDE.
C'est vraiment dommage, que ja procédure d'install ne fonctionne pas.
Pour moi il y a une erreur dans le concept de l'install, car quand on démarre avec pfix=ram il n'y a pas suffisamment de place libre pour faire l'install du DRI, ayant seulement 256KB. J'essayera le pfix=noram en espérant que cela fonctionne dans un install frugal. Merci pour le tuyau.

Yes I can confirm that Gnome is more performant then KDE.
It's really bad that the install procedure doesn't work. I think there is an error in the concept of the install as starting with pfix=ram ther isn't enough space to install the DRI having only 256KB. I'll try the pfix=noram, hoping it works in a frugal install. Thanks for the tip.

Béèm · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 15:18 Post_subject:

I followed my friend's, Eyes-only, tip to use pfix=noram, but I don't have more space free. Still at 117MB, which isn't enough to install the DRI apparently.

Dommage, Eyes-only, mais bien essayé.

Eyes-Only · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 16:09 Post_subject:

J'suis etonne mon chum! Shocked

C'est chochant!

Hmm... did you try the "puppy pfix=noram" and then the "supposed fixed" that can be done for allowing "more size" for .pet installs? I forget precisely what that is---but it's something like changing a number in a certain file from "3" to a "1"---or even a "0"? Sais-tu le fiche du quel je parle mon chum et ou il est situe? J'ai oublie le nom du fiche. Zut! Sad

Is the file located in "/usr/sbin" perhaps?

Sorry I'm not of much help Beem. Sad

L'intelligence me manque beaucoup a la cause d'une accident a la tete et car une maladie aussi-la... mais j'crois que tu le deja sais, ouais?

Bonne chance mon chum,

Eyes-Only
"L'Peau-Rouge"

Béèm · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 16:29 Post_subject:

Eyes-only.
Ne t'en fait pas mon chum.
Ayant regardé des fois une série de Canada, dans lequel le personnage est un certain Katherine qui parlait souvent (en Canadienne bien-sûr) de son chum, je pensait que chum voulait dire mon petit ami, mais c'est peut-être plus générale. Aussi, je me souvient de ce qui est arrivé à toi.

Mais je progrèsse.
Mu (mark) m'a appris comment de faire d'un pup_save un pup_save vide.
J'en ai pris un, j'ai changé le nom et je l'ai visé.
Le boot à pris ce pup_save vide et j'ai pu installer le DRI. Merveilleux n'est-ce pas?

Je fais continuer les instructions donné à partir de ce point.

But I make progress.
Mu (mark) instructed me how to make an empty pup_save, so I copied and renamed one and emptied it. It was taken into account on the next boot and I could install the DRI now.
I'll continue the instructions from this point on.

Béèm · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 16:47 Post_subject:

Great.
I am in gnome now.
I don't have the missing icons anymore.
I don't have that strange message anymore when gnome starts.
I could reduce the font size from 96 to 72. Nice.
My desktop doesn't match the one shown in the first post. I don't have any of the disk icons, but having a different setup that might be normal.
So I'll investigate further.

Also I agree with Eyes-only. I would prefer FireFox over Epiphany.

Béèm · Posted: Sun 20 Apr 2008, 16:55 Post_subject:

Configuration of the network done, I am able to write this with Epiphany.
So far so good.
Will continue testing.
And re-installing the installs I lost now. Crying or Very sad

EDITa:
Having problems with ayttm, I use pidgin instead (also in beta 1 and now 2)
So I installed pidgin in gnome.
The install went ok but I don't find it in a menu.
Starting from a terminal it's working ok however.
Is there a special trick to get installed programs in the menu.
I know in JWM it's fixmenus. In Gnome?????

I verifyed the date and time. But inspite the tiime is in the 24 hour format when setting, it doesn't display in the 24 hour format in the tray.
And I don't see a setting for this. How can this be achieved?

And oh, can I remind the question I asked before.
Is there a way to have somewere in the tray the remaining memory displayed?

wow · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 951

Béèm · Posted: Mon 21 Apr 2008, 07:39 Post_subject:

I did the addgroup and adduser commands.
But you refer to a HAL install. I don't see this in the instructions in the first post.
I don't have all the icons in computer (see pic)

I don't have a swap partition and didn't think of trying my swapfile.
But in any case, as I said before, in my installation whan starting dingo with pfix=ram, no pup_save is offered to make at shutdown. I immediately get the message Session not saved. I don't know why this happens and I made a post in bugs about this.

Therefor the only way to get out of this is create an empty pup_save file and work with this. I had to do the same thing with muppy008, where after pfix=ram no pup_save (well mup_save) file was offered to make.

I can try again with a swap file actif but as I can't get a pup_save to be created it seems to me, it's a waist of time.

As for Pidgin, I got a menu entry in other now. Great, thanks.

wow · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 951

Béèm · Posted: Tue 22 Apr 2008, 15:37 Post_subject:

This is the wording for the hal install:

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Chii · Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 7

Hmm this is really great! The only reason I was considering to change to one of the big distros is because of gnome, but sure enough, it is here now!

I only have one problem at the moment: It will not let me edit files on an ntfs system. Is there a way I can remedy this? (It says i dont have the permissions and I can't really change 'em)