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NOP 301 now with Hotpup !
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gray


Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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Location: Adelaide - South Australia

PostPosted: Tue 18 Mar 2008, 03:57    Post subject:  NOP 301 now with Hotpup !  

I wasn't going to release another update as I was waiting for puppy 4, but the gestation period for the latter has been so long....

Anyway, I was playing with Hotpup wondering if it woud work in Xfce. The answer is yes, after a fashion. Hotpup automatically puts device icons on the desktop and double clicking one of these will mount the drive and open the file manager Thunar at the mount point. When a device is mounted the icon has a green dot in the corner. Double clicking on such an icon will open a question dialog with the option to open the file manager or unmount the drive. You can position the device icons by dragging them to a new location which should be remembered next time you boot up (except for removable devices like cdroms - they appear in the first free space on the desktop). I found that on faster machines I had to put a sleep =1 second after the start of the hotpup daemon in the .xinitrc file or the icons would not appear on the desktop. Users of older machines can probably comment this out.

While at it for R6 I updated Opera to 9.26
updated pburn to 1.2.2
updated pfind to 3.4
removed cdrdao
added galculator
replaced ristretto with gpicview

Also added the blue-viesta wm theme and updated the stardust theme to match it.

Enjoy

download from www.puppylinux.ca/NOP

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Cur Dog

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Mar 2008, 08:49    Post subject:  

Gray,
Do you have any plans of a .pet for the modified Hotpup? I would like to add this feature to the 3.02 alpha with xfce that I have been working with. I hope that my request is not inappropriate.
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Mar 2008, 16:01    Post subject:  

Download NOP
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Mar 2008, 02:34    Post subject: dotpet  

Cur Dog,

No problemo. Dotpet attached. Very Happy
hotpupx.pet
Description 
pet

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Filename  hotpupx.pet 
Filesize  49.95 KB 
Downloaded  992 Time(s) 

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Henry

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Mar 2008, 09:07    Post subject: Hotpup (EDITED), Nopr6 upgrade  

Welcome back, Gray!

Good to see you're continuing with Nop 3, not waiting for Dingo.
I've been using Nop 3.01 r5 with no problems - great.
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EDIT! - Thanks to Cur Dog (see below) Hotpup.get now works in R5, but note that both the original rc.local0 and .xinitrc must be restored, or if the live CD is left in the DVD drive it will keep running and flashing every five seconds or so. Also, the hotpup settings menu item does not seem to work, at least under these conditions
I had written:
When I tried the hotpup.get: (Yes, I know it was not specified for 3.01.), the desktop drive presentation worked beautifully. Very handy and intuitive. But, with two quirks -
1. When the splash screen starts this message appears: "Could not look up internal address for (none). This will prevent XFCE from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct by adding (none) to the file ?etc/hosts. Continue anyway? Try again?" If I "continue anyway" the splash proceeds and everything is fine except that
2. I had to use the network wizard again to have internet access.
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But, yes, upgrading an existing Nop 3.01 rev 5 config to rev 6 is of course the goal. I downloaded the full .iso for Nop 3.01 rev 6 (not the delta). It works if I start fresh (pfix=ram and save a new config file) but if I try to upgrade using my regular config file it does not, seems to run with no obvious changes. Sorry if I'm putting the cart before the horse.

Henry

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Cur Dog

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Mar 2008, 18:19    Post subject:  

Gray,

I really appreciate you sharing the file. I installed and had the same issue that Henry has posted. I simply deleted the new etc/rc.d/rc.local0 that had been created and renamed the backup file that was created and rebooted with no issues. Now everything is working great.


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar 2008, 07:34    Post subject: dobby  

Regarding the strange xfce error after installing the hotpupx.pet. Ahem, I , err, well, how do I put it ? Stuffed up! Dobby must now go and iron his hands.

The post install script modifies rc.local0 but in doing so made it non executable - hence the error. I have now corrected this and re-uploaded the hotpupx.pet file. Embarassed Embarassed

For upgrading to R6 only the pup_301.sfs file has changed. If you replace your existing sfs file the changes should filter through when you reboot - except for hotpup. The save file is dominant in the unionfs layers I believe and so changes to the .xinitrc file there will not be picked up. In fact the same is true for the /etc directory - so hotpup will not be there at all. You would have to install it using the dotpet!
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar 2008, 09:05    Post subject:  

Still no success on upgrading. Runs just the same whether I use the r5 or r6 live CD. Copied 301.sfs from r6 live CD. I wonder if the rev 6 .iso has the right 301.sfs?
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Meanwhile, I used the new hotpupx. It is very nice! No problems whatsoever. I do appreciate how you quietly produce these simple, efficient solutions. I expect to be using Nop 3 for a long time, or until when and if Nop 4 appears.

So I am not in a big hurry to upgrade to ver 6 (I may try xdelta), but I doubt there is that much difference between Opera 9.25 that I'm using and 9.26. I've already updated Zigbert's various small apps., and of course have hotpup already,

Henry

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar 2008, 17:14    Post subject: R6  

Henry, yes it is the correct _301.sfs in the iso. Upgrading by replacing this file is very hit and miss - there are so many reasons why it could not work. It seems as though you have made most of the changes from R5 to R6 anyway.

Glad you like hotpupx, but I only made a few changes to hotpup - Dougal is the man to thank. I must confess I dont fully understand all the workings of hotpup - I know just enough to be dangerous. He He. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar 2008, 18:20    Post subject:  

OK, I found the problem. Ver 6 is now working.There was a backup copy of the r5 301.sfs close enough that it got picked up and used instead of the r6 301.sfs. I keep both versions on hand for a while, but forgot in this case to put them in their own folders for identification and insulation. It's hard to tell these apart - I suppose they can be renamed like pup_save files?.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2008, 15:56    Post subject: Some thoughts on hotpup  

Hotpup (thanks to Dougal, and Gray for the Nop adaptation) is very impressive. Having used it for a bit now here are some summary thoughts. It certainly helps newbs relate to their overall computer.

Something like this is attractive. Since day one with puppy I put up a set of drive icons to show with the green dot the mount status. Actual mounting was done with Pmount - still a good way, or automount. Most of my data files are on one drive, so I automount it and rarely need mount the others. See the upper screenshot at http://www.henrystrobel.com/linux.htm.

But now that I have used Hotpup for a couple of days, I think you are quite right to keep it as a petget option, since not everyone will need it, and the fact that the daemon keeps checking might be a little distraction. (Of course that can be turned off.) You might like to look at the second screenshot on
http://www.henrystrobel.com/linux in Nop. Mostly I use both the upper and lower XFCE panels and avoid the desktop and and double clicking as much as possible. Nop and XFCE are excellent.

Henry
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2008, 18:32    Post subject: Nop 3.01 r6 bugs?  

Gray,

First I checked my current r5 config and all seems very fine using the r5 live cd, and has for a long time.

Then I upgraded this config (after backing up) with the r6 live cd and the new pup_301.sfs. (I know how to do that now ;-) Basically it works except that I noticed these problems -

1. epdfview doesn't run. Terminal says: segmentation fault

2. xine doesn't run. Terminal says: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4: invalid ELF header

3. openoffice apps (from sfs, work perfectly in r5) don't work. They start and the splash screen completes and the app immediately disappears. Terminal says, e.g.: swriter: command not found

Henry
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 00:27    Post subject:  

Gray,
Here's a question related to hotpup. I was just looking around and saw this. It's way beyond me, but wanted to ask if this was at all realistic for Nop. Never mind if you don't have time.

http://thunar.xfce.org/documentation/C/using-removable-media.html#management-of-removable-drives-and-media

Henry
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Fishy

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 11:27    Post subject:  

Hi, I am having problems with the r6 download from PuppyLinux, either the iso or md5sum is corrupt. I have downloaded twice and both times the md5sum doesn't match. The md5sum is the same in both cases.

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 11:53    Post subject:  

Hi fishy,

maybe I can troubleshoot the downloads; can you post the exact download links that you used, and the MD5 sums you got?

thanks

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