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#81 Post by richard.a »

Dougal wrote:I have re-worked the way the menus are generated, so my templates are incompatible with Barry's (but easier to edit: they're just shell scripts).
EZ-pup might also be putting some files in wrong places. For example: Barry uses the archaic /root/Choices for rox settings, while I use the standard $HOME/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/.
This could account for why I can't get ttuuxxx's ice-wm dotpet to work either - I'll go try it elsewhere when I get a moment.

What I get is a blank, shiny, screen (no pinboard) with two icons and no menu. :)
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#82 Post by ttuuxxx »

richard.a wrote:
Dougal wrote:I have re-worked the way the menus are generated, so my templates are incompatible with Barry's (but easier to edit: they're just shell scripts).
EZ-pup might also be putting some files in wrong places. For example: Barry uses the archaic /root/Choices for rox settings, while I use the standard $HOME/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/.
This could account for why I can't get ttuuxxx's ice-wm dotpet to work either - I'll go try it elsewhere when I get a moment.

What I get is a blank, shiny, screen (no pinboard) with two icons and no menu. :)
I'll try to make a custom version for it, In around 1-2 days :)
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#83 Post by richard.a »

Thankee kindly sir.

In the mean while I'll see if I can get it working on another version of puppy but seem to have mislaid some of my CDs... may need to burn some more from the ISOs I've archived.
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#84 Post by ttuuxxx »

richard.a wrote:Thankee kindly sir.

In the mean while I'll see if I can get it working on another version of puppy but seem to have mislaid some of my CDs... may need to burn some more from the ISOs I've archived.
Its been reported working on the 3 series, 2.17.1 and 396 with an extra lib.
just to save you some time :)
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#85 Post by richard.a »

ttuuxxx wrote:Its been reported working on the 3 series, 2.17.1 and 396 with an extra lib.
just to save you some time :)
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I like it :)

Thanks ttuuxxx for doing that, I have it working on two machines (one an old one using the irqpoll trick in the boot statement) on both 2.16 and 2.14 (regular, not revisited).

I also tried my command button bars (which naturally work as the change in WM isn't going to affect them). And added the shutdown 3-button dialogue from them into the menu on the 2.14 too, so the menu is modifiable.

Give me a couple of days and I'll have some captures here, and with a bit of luck the modified version to go into 2.14R will be available by then too.

Just a couple of personal thoughts... I'm not keen on the graphic you've used in the menu button in the default theme, probably would be fine on one that didn't have a horizontal line across the whole bar.

It might be good to have the trayicons that I think MU did available, next to Blinky. I have no idea how you would put them there lol :)

I would also like to see a single large puppy-type pawprint on a dark background too, similar to one of the themes in 215ce or EZ-pup. And someone is bound to ask "How do you add more themes?" :D

A fantastic job ttuuxxx, and I think we have a goer here.
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#86 Post by ttuuxxx »

richard.a wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:Its been reported working on the 3 series, 2.17.1 and 396 with an extra lib.
just to save you some time :)
ttuuxxx
I like it :)

Thanks ttuuxxx for doing that, I have it working on two machines (one an old one using the irqpoll trick in the boot statement) on both 2.16 and 2.14 (regular, not revisited).

I also tried my command button bars (which naturally work as the change in WM isn't going to affect them). And added the shutdown 3-button dialogue from them into the menu on the 2.14 too, so the menu is modifiable.

Give me a couple of days and I'll have some captures here, and with a bit of luck the modified version to go into 2.14R will be available by then too.

Just a couple of personal thoughts... I'm not keen on the graphic you've used in the menu button in the default theme, probably would be fine on one that didn't have a horizontal line across the whole bar.

It might be good to have the trayicons that I think MU did available, next to Blinky. I have no idea how you would put them there lol :)

I would also like to see a single large puppy-type pawprint on a dark background too, similar to one of the themes in 215ce or EZ-pup. And someone is bound to ask "How do you add more themes?" :D

A fantastic job ttuuxxx, and I think we have a goer here.
I'll have the next version #7 ready in a couple of hours with tons of changes, A new theme that I built from the ground up basically, blinky with a black background and maybe a free memory applet. But i do think personally its a bit of bloat, but I'll try to keep it under 800kb pet package.
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Re: Testing

#87 Post by ttuuxxx »

Dougal wrote:
ecomoney wrote: I have noticed people using the computers at the cybercafe is that, when they want to go off on a new search, instead of opening a new tab, they will minimise the current browser window and start a new session by clicking on the desktop icon. This is probably becuase most people are still used to to using the less-than-perfect internet explorer for their browsing which has only just got with it and started using tabs from version 7. I realise that memory requirements need to be a consideration in a cut-down disto like puppy. In any case, I do believe that click the browser icon should do something when clicked. Previous puppies put up a message saying "Please open a new browser window from the currently running mozilla", which was less than perfect but it at least gave the user some feedback. Is there a way of starting a new browser window from the existing memory footprint when the seamonkey start icon is clicked a second time?
I think maybe it would be best to just put up a yaf-splash window with a message saying "a new tab has been opened in Mozilla" or something.

With my lite icewm window manager, I have built in a icon to launch the default browser. When clicked it launches Seamonkey, If sea monkey is the default browser, But once its opened it doesn't launch a second time if press. Buttttttt if you have Firefox a the default browser then firefox will launch as many times as its pressed. (I think its a Seamonkey thing)
I still haven't tried to get it going on 2.14r yet but heres a link to my latest version I posted today #7
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ch&id=8575
Hope you enjoy it, That theme was like a 30Hr learning session. I really liked the close,min.restore buttons I made. a paw and 2 dog bones, :)

As for lite weight burning software,
Grafburn has issue's
The latest Graveman works well- but I've heard others complain about it, But Pburn is really the best out of the bunch and is the most worked on, Plus it burns Blue-Ray. (If you use Blue-Ray), I don't,lol

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#88 Post by loot »

I'm eagerly awaiting a patch or point release. I'm a major booster of 2.14R and have been using it a couple months now daily. [Very conservative, I usually wait for an "official" release.] So if one of you two has been hanging onto a patch, please, let it go! 2.14R wants to be free!

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#89 Post by richard.a »

Okay folks, had a chance to get back to look at 2.14R and I have major problems with running it on an HDD install.

The machine is an IBM Netvista which looks like an Aptiva, only in black (built by Lenovo under licence probably around 2000 I suspect).

It runs WinME native. As is my usual wont I install a second HDD and partition both (resizing hda1 to retain the native Windows.

I cannot get 2.14R or original, nor 2.15, nor 2.16, et al to see the native soundcard (onboard) AC97 nor the onboard network card, nor an additional NIC (with the onboard one turned off in the BIOS).

214R works nicely in LiveCD mode, in both using a pup_save.2fs/3fs file, and in pfix=ram mode. That is notwithstanding four other Linuxes installed to prove the point, and they all work in both sound and network.

In all cases the irqpoll statement needs to be made. The onboard stuff is not Intel 801/901 as I originally thought, see edit lines below...

Edit
Rebooting to Windows and checking what it saw the hardware was, here's the list...
Onboard sound SiS 7018 Audio chip/driver combo
Onboard network SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
PCI Network Realtek RTL8139(A) Fast Ethernet PCI card
/Edit

fyi, 2.02R2 works in type 2 installed.
1.09win98 works in a sorta type 1 install.

And I am still unable to find where to edit the menu structure. Ecomoney is waiting patiently for me to create a menu system for his new product which is based on 2.14R. And ttuuxxx is waiting on a test and report on his new lightweight icewm.

Over to you, folks, please, for specific thoughts.

Oh yes, I did copy both the squashfiles to the filesystem root too because it said it found no drivers, and it returned that response even after the squashfiles were placed there.

And another strange one. In the installed version, it refuses to recognise any other partitions, nor the CD/DVD drive. Any ideas here too please?

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Kernel source for 2.14R

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Is there a Kernel source sfs package available for 2.14R?

I could only find kernel-source_217.sfs and the 2.16 one. I also don't know whether 2.14R uses the same kernel as 2.14.

I'd like to run Virtualbox or another virtual machine and those require kernel source.

Thanks.

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#91 Post by Pizzasgood »

2.14, 2.14R, and 2.16 all use the 2.6.18.1 kernel. So I think the 2.16 source should work.
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#92 Post by VCSkier »

A friend of mine has an old laptop with 64MB or RAM, and I'm trying to get a reasonably quick installation running on it. Puppy 3.01 is working, but it's pretty slow, so I was wondering if 2.14R might be alittle quicker. Has anyone tried it on a system like this? Is it intended to be faster or older systems, or simply offer better legacy compatibility?

Also, if I understand correctly, pfix=noram should help speed things up. Will it work with 2.14R? Thanks.

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#93 Post by richard.a »

Your answer in a nutshell is "yes"

Go look here and you will see screencaps of my running 2.15ce as the only system on a Twinhead with 64Mb of slow RAM (probably EDO) and a 266MHz processor and a small swap file on a 2Gb HDD.

That link again... http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/puppy/about.html - go down the page a bit and you'll see I mention the caps are taken from the laptop. I resized all the desktop icons (all the icons in the directory where they are) to 32 pixels square because they are HUGE at the original resolution. I should put up a download for them some time.

FYI I've done a fair bit of exploring with older computers.

I wouldn't recommend you muck around with turning RAM off etc... let the system manage itself - Linux is very good at doing that :)

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VCSkier wrote:Also, if I understand correctly, pfix=noram should help speed things up. Will it work with 2.14R? Thanks.
When you boot 2.14R you have the info about the boot options. The right parameter is pfix=noramsfs, but it is irrelevant in your friend's case, as the sfs isn't loaded anyway with 64MB of ram.
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richard.a wrote:Twinhead with 64Mb of slow RAM (probably EDO) and a 266MHz processor and a small swap file on a 2Gb HDD.
Luuv to read your stuff & what you're working on. I've also felt that original icons tend to be HUGE, take up alot of space & I still haven't sorted out a quick easy way to resize. :? :cry:

Btw, what size swap file?

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#96 Post by ttuuxxx »

jonyo wrote:
richard.a wrote:Twinhead with 64Mb of slow RAM (probably EDO) and a 266MHz processor and a small swap file on a 2Gb HDD.
Luuv to read your stuff & what you're working on. I've also felt that original icons tend to be HUGE, take up alot of space & I still haven't sorted out a quick easy way to resize. :? :cry:

Btw, what size swap file?
tell you what, since your fellow Canuck like myself I'll give ya a hand. :)
I don't have 2.14r installed but if you tar up the icons and send them to me, I'll resize them and optimize them, But I need to know what size your looking for, like (16x16, 24x24, 48x48) <-- puppy defaults
and the size you want??
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which devx_xxx and kernel_source sfs to use with 2.14R

#97 Post by mcewanw »

Since still using old dialup I have to be careful that any sfs files or isos I download are in fact the compatible ones I imagine them to be.

With that in mind, I am seeking clarification on which devx_xxx and which kernal source sfs should be used with Puppy 2.14R?

I'm presuming devx_214.sfs and maybe (as I've read in above posts) Puppy-kernel-source_216.sfs, both of which I see available at www.puppylinux.ca

Are these the correct two development sfs files for 2.14R?

I've actually still to download 2.14R too, but I'm interested in everything I've read about it so far. Might just work the best on an old laptop I have with 128MByte RAM.

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Re: which devx_xxx and kernel_source sfs to use with 2.14R

#98 Post by Dougal »

mcewanw wrote:I'm presuming devx_214.sfs and maybe (as I've read in above posts) Puppy-kernel-source_216.sfs, both of which I see available at www.puppylinux.ca

Are these the correct two development sfs files for 2.14R?
Yes, assuming that the kernel sources are for 2.6.18.1 (you will also have yo rename the sfs to 214...).
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214R doesn't detect my modem

#99 Post by mcewanw »

Thanks Dougal
Unfortunately, I've since discovered that 214R doesn't detect the PCMCIA 56K "goldcard" dialup modem in my old Dell CPx laptop. Works fine with 2.17.1 or Dingo (and several other puppies).
When using one of these other puppies the modem is detected as being on /dev/ttyS1
But the modem is not detected anywhere by the connect screens supplied in 214R. Is there some utility available in 214R that could help with that?

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#100 Post by muggins »

I've had a modem that wasn't detected by pup2.16, but which pup1.08 saw as ttyS0. Solution: run modem-wizard in p2.16 & choose ttyS0 anyway & it works. No gaurantee same will work for you, but worth a try.

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