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How to run Puppy from Windows NTFS partition
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tempestuous

Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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Location: Australia

PostPosted: Fri 16 Sep 2005, 09:26    Post subject:  

Thanks drj,
I had previously tried Grub4DOS/Grub4NTLDR unsuccessfully, but now I have it working with your menu.lst settings.

With one computer I have with a single NTFS partition, this works perfectly. Puppy accesses the pupfile and usr_cram.fs on the NTFS partition without a problem.

But as thoughtjourney mentioned, if your hard drive has any OTHER filesystem on separate partitions, Puppy will "insist" on looking for the pupfile and usr_cram.fs here, apparently ignoring the Grub specification for the location of the pupfile on the NTFS partition.
I think Puppy's rc.sysinit file needs refinement in this regard.

And I have just tried Grub4NTLDR to boot to USB flash drive. I will make a separate post for this.
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choco
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Sep 2005, 11:12    Post subject: Puppy  

I followed all the instructions from http://ph-islands.net/pupinstall/winxp.php but puppy can't find the usr_cram.fs file Embarassed !! What to do?
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MU


Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

PostPosted: Wed 28 Sep 2005, 11:40    Post subject:  

Puppy sometimes gets confused, if you have more than one Windows-Partition.
I altered image.gz to force Puppy to use C:


Try this:

http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=1834

Unfortunately the Article I refer to is lost for some days, as the corresponding Forum was cracked and destroyed. Restoring the backup will take some days.

It just will work on Drive C: , and with Windows XP (C: must be a NTFS -drive)

Short instruction:

Download this file and extract to C:\
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/povfront/Puppylinux104-wxbasic.rar?download

then follow this readme.txt:


There are 3 ways to run this version of Puppy-Linux.

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_puppy_qemu_windows98.bat
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This will run the unaccellerated version of Qemu with Puppy.

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_puppy_qemu_windowsNt.bat
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This will run the accellerated version of Qemu with Puppy.
Before that:
copy
kqemu\kqemu.sys
to
c:\winnt\system32\drivers
or
c:\windows\system32\drivers

Then click on kqemu.reg to register it.
Run _puppy_qemu_windowsNt.bat to start puppylinux in accellerated quemu.

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puppyboot\install.bat (Windows NT/XP only)
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This will an entry to your c:\boot ini
It also will "setup" automatically the included bootmanager grub.
This is a file-based version, so your bootsector will NOT be touched!

Like this you can use it in addition to other bootmanagers like Linux-grub or lilo.

If you run "DEFRAG" on your c:\ -Drive, you might have to run "install.bat" again.

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Problems / tips
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You will find more configurable versions of puppy at http://www.goosee.com/puppy/

In Qemu, Puppy asks for a mouse. You MUST use PS/2, even if you have an USB-Mouse!

If you run Puppy with grub, it will not ask for a mouse.
If the mouse does not work, hit "CTRL-ALT-DEL" to exit the Desktop.

Then type:
rm /etc/mousedevice
xwin icewm

Then you will be asked from new what mouse you have.

The resolution is set to 800*600 for running Qemu in a window.
You can change this with the "Xvesa-Wizard" in the Puppy-Startmenue.

The network is set to DHCP to be able to use Ftp in Quemu to share files with windows.
When you use grub, the DHCP-detection fails, and you have to wait a minute.
Simply hit "CTRL-C" to interrupt the detection then.
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raffy

Joined: 25 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Sep 2005, 20:31    Post subject: Confused as to Partition  

Ah, choco, an example of your problem is a Compaq installation of WinXP, that has a FAT for the first partition and NTFS for the WinXP partition. I still have to check the forum for this type of problem. Should you still have problems after Mark's (Mu's) advice, please feel free to post in the top section of the forum (Beginners or Regulars).
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MU


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Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

PostPosted: Thu 29 Sep 2005, 00:08    Post subject:  

I wrote an installer for XP, that includes this patch for Puppy 1.0.5:

http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=2525

So you don't need the older RAR-archive.

Mark
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2005, 12:37    Post subject:  

I have a problem... I kinda installed Puppy the normal way with the CD, but before I made all the fixes in Windows neccessary, and now it won't even boot. It says the hal.dll file is missing, and if i hit a key, itll reboot then either show that again, or go to the little screen where the XP logo is showing and the bar's moving. It'll get past that, then restart again. I'm using Windows XP SP1 professional, if that helps. I really need some help here, I have alot of information on my computer.

Thanks
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raffy

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2005, 17:54    Post subject: No worry  

Don't worry, you will not lose data.

There is a manual install for WinXP in the link below, which can help you troubleshoot your way past this problem:

http://www.ph-islands.net/pupinstall/winxp.php
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GuestToo
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Joined: 04 May 2005
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2005, 17:57    Post subject:  

i have the hal.dll missing message, and XP won't boot, but in my case hal.dll is actually missing ... i accidently deleted about a gig of files from my hda5 partition

a virus can cause the same message

a problem with boot.ini will also cause the same error message

is the hal.dll file actually missing? you can search for the file using Puppy ... it should be somewhere in the windows folder

it's possible there's something wrong with your boot.ini file (a text file on your C drive) ... mine looks something like this:
Code:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="          Windows XP" /fastdetect /SOS
C:\="          Windows ME"
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Cerberus

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2005, 20:20    Post subject:  

um, where do i get pup001?
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rarsa


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Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2005, 20:41    Post subject:  

answer here -->L http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=18175#18175
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Oct 2005, 14:15    Post subject:  

no... you guys dont understand, i cant get into windows at all
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raffy

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Oct 2005, 19:06    Post subject: Right  

Yes, right, i realized that situation of yours after i made the post above Embarassed

Maybe you have the Windows rescue CD and use it to do repairs for boot-time processes (There is a menu, but am not thoroughly familiar with it). The usual routine i know is "fixMBR", a harmless procedure for undoing the MBR changes done by Linux, although perhaps this does not apply in your case.

Kindly tell us what install procedure you followed so more specific help can come...
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2005, 11:58    Post subject:  

I an using a HP Laptop with windows xp Sp2 installed. tried to use liveCd, everything was working fine but hung at the point I was supposed to select the Keyboard Layout. Nothing was responding at all.
I followed the instruction on installlation to hard disk using GRUB and it stopped at the same place. Can some one please help me this is my first time with Linux.
I would however like you to know that I installed it with Qemu emulation.
I am using Puppy 1.0.5
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MU


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2005, 12:30    Post subject:  

In qemu, puppy needs a patched image.gz, as qemu just emulates a ps/2-keyboard.

There is a complete version of Puppy 1.0.5 available:
http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/qemupuppy/index.html

However, for a harddisk-installation you should boot from the puppy-CD without qemu.


Mark
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kelewax


Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2005, 12:47    Post subject: Hangs at point of selecting keyboard map  

May be I did not explain myself well. What I mean is that the first time I tried using it I used it emulated in Qemu and it worked fine infact it still works. then I tried live cd and Hard disk installation as described in this forum on my NTFS hard disk and it keeps on hanging at the point I am supposed to choose the Keyboard map.

Thanks but I still need your help

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