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Trobin

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2008, 03:50    Post subject:  Speak-Pup V0.05
Subject description: Puppy with Edbrowse
 

The third Version of Speak Pup is out. The concept behind this version is radically different from the other two version, but is still very much experimental. Size is 90.3 MB.

The file is at http://www.mediafire.com/?1z00jzgz0st

I'll see about uploading it to Puppylinux.ca tomorrow.

The dry stats:

Operating System------------------------------------------------------Fat Free Puppy 2.17
Main Program----------------------------------------------------------Edbrowse
Text Editor--------------------------------------------------------------VI
Text Editor--------------------------------------------------------------E3
Spreadsheet-------------------------------------------------------------SC
Audio--------------------------------------------------------------------wxMusik *
Audio--------------------------------------------------------------------MPG123 *
Audio---------------------------------------------------------------------Krecspk *
Audio (Bash Script)-----------------------------------------------------MPGFront
Backup (Bash script)---------------------------------------------------Simplebashbu.sh
Internet setup and Utilities (Bash Script)----------------------------Firelog
Internet setup dial up (Bash Script)-----------------------------------Ezsetup *
Internet setup Wireless (Bash Script)---------------------------------Net Script*
Internet--------------------------------------------------------------------Lynx
Speech Interface---------------------------------------------------------Speech Dispatcher
Speech Engine-----------------------------------------------------------Espeak
Screen Reader-----------------------------------------------------------Yasr
Accessibility hardware ------------------------------------------------Brltty *
Email---------------------------------------------------------------------Alpine *

All the X stuff is still in there, and if you need it, drop to a bash shell and type Xorgwizard. That will allow you to set up what ever it is that you need to set up in X. When done, use the filemanager to go to /usr/X11R7/bin and delete X. Reboot and there you go.

In the above list, * denote programs that for one reason or another I was unable to test. They are included because I have reason to believe thatn they do work. Just not for me. At least not yet.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2008, 03:53    Post subject:  

Thank to Mcewanw for his interest and work with Edbrowse. Without it, this would not be possible. My knowledge of Edbrowse pales in comparison.

Some simple commands.

! is the command to open a bash shell Exit returns to Edbrowse
b is the command to browse the web
f <filename> creates a file to append text to.
w saves the file
e opens a saved file for editing
q quits
qt quits all sessions of Edbrowse

A command starting with < opens a macro to do some function or other. For example if you were searching for hippopotamii on google, and you were connected to the Internet, of course, the command would be <gg hippopotamii.

Edbrowse is a very flexible program. With it, you can browse the web, manage your files, play music, ftp, email, write and edit texts. If installed right it can be used as a database.

GETTING ON THE INTERNET

This is handled by bash script files I found on the Internet. As I said when I started this thing, I started working on this project, I am not a programmer. I can handle a few simple bash scripts, but if I can find something that does what I want, or can be altered to do so then I'm happier.

Dial up. The EZNET dialer is already in Puppy. A scrip file, EZsetup affords an esy way to enter the data needed to dial out to your ISP. You can also file away other data needed to dial to other services. The command to use Ezsetup is '!ezsetup".

Please note that I used a quotation mark before the command. Ezsetup is not part of Edbrowse, needs a bash shell to run in, and the quotation mark is used to open a bash shell to run the script in. When you are finished wusing the script, exit from it and you will automatically be returned to Edbrowse.

Once the files are saved and you wish to dial out to your ISO, use
!eznet up service name. To start dialing and connecting.
!eznet down service name disconnects you from the service.

I do not have a dial up account so i was unable to test it.

NoobieDoobiedo's firelog script is used to access the internet with an ethernet cable setup.
The command is !firelog

Wireless set up is handled with Netscript. The script can be edited to use various wireless setups depending on where you are. It also has a setting in which you can enter the data manually and connect that way. The command is !netscript.

I do not have anwireless set up and so could not test it.

Once on the Internet, Edbrowse can be used to do a google search, go to a web site, or just about anything you'd want to do on the Internet. Note that there is no gaphics, and things are not done the same way.

By way of an example, let's do a googe search for Edbrowse. The command would be:

<gg edbrowse.

Edbrowse would connect to the Internet, do the search. It would then tell you to continue give you two numbers

231234
453218

The above aren't the real numbers but that's okay. This is just an example.

To find out what's on the page, you need to ge Edbrowse t list it line by line, and Yasr will read it line by line. The first thirty or so lines will be those links you usually see on the google web site. I generally start listing lines at line 24. So I would start with the command 24,30p. That would list line 24 to line thirty. Yasr would read out line 24 to line thirty. I would then continue down the list ten lines at a time.

Why only ten lines? I just find it easier. I could do a ,p and list all the lines, and Yasr would ead all the lines, not stopping until they reach the bottom of the list. If he nlink I wanted to go to was near the top, I might not remember the line number by the time i goth the thing stopped. Starting at an even number and listing them ten lines at a time, say 30,40p , seems easy enough. If the link I want is the fourth line of the current screen, starting at line number thirty, then g33 will activate that link. There are other ways of doing it, and I'm sure you will discover the method that is easist for you, but that method works for me.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2008, 04:09    Post subject:  

PODCASTING
This ishandled with Mcewanw's Krekspk program. It's called through a bash script called podcaster, that also adjusts your sound settings before running krekspk.

These settings are
setvol 0 95
setvol 4 100
setvol 7 100
setvol 8 100
setvol 12 100

Podcaster (!./podcaster) then runs Krecspk giving you a chance to record a message.
r to record, s to stop, p to play the file you just recorded, and q to quit.

Audio

WxMusik (!wxMusik) is in there.
Cdplay (!cdplay) can be used to play an audio cd.
MPG123 can be used on a single file. MPGFront (!mpgfront) i a script that can be used to play play lists. It expects to fint /opt/playlists, with sub diectories for each artist. So it will take some work to set up.

Text editing is probably better done in Edbrowse. However VI (!vi) is supplied for those that like it. I use e3 (!e3) but it doesn't play ninice with Yasr.

Lynx (!lynx) is supplied for those websites that Edbrowse has difficulties with. One thing I like about it is that Lynx is configured to number the links. I don't know if that makes it worth the drawbaccks, which you'll find out when Yasr reads its way through the screen.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2008, 04:11    Post subject:  

Backup

Backing it all up is done by executing a bash script (!./backup) tht executes another script. simplebashbu.sh. Everything is archived ans saved in /mnt/backups.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2008, 04:16    Post subject:  

What I would like to know, if any tests this, is how the following works:

Ezsetup - dial up internet connection.
Netscript Wireless connection
Podcaster
the audio stuff.

The things that I asn't able to test.

As well as general impressions. What worked well and what didn't What can be done better.

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2008, 05:52    Post subject: I have no wireless alas  

Good to hear you are making progress Trobin.

Lots of apps certainly. Lots to do I know!

I hope someone comes back with the feedback you've requested. Clearly krecspk works on my systems! but only Lobster has ever given me feedback and results otherwise.

I don't have any Wireless connection I'm sorry, and I have to download Dingo now on my slow dialup, so I doubt I'll be able to test your dialup script in Speakpup. Lets hope someone shouts out with the answers!

I hope users will understand that systems such as this have technical limitations which no amount of configuration will fix. Documentation is also a huge issue, and a huge amount of work. Newly developed systems like this are for those who don't mind tinkering. They are probably not for those who want something complete and polished (that would require a design team and months of work by many specialised people). Something will come out of all this though, I'm sure. I'll certainly be using something similar personally, though I would really like to get hold of some replacement for espeak to add-in, like some linux version of some "natural voice" synthesiser, to sing sweetly to me!
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PostPosted: Tue 04 Mar 2008, 11:45    Post subject:  

My apologies for not providing this sooner.

The md5sum for speak3pup.iso is 84929f7c879c337aa4951b2fea3e1450 speak3pup.iso
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Mar 2008, 18:07    Post subject:  

For those requiring a database, sqlite is in Speak-Pup, as part of puppy Linux. Type "!sqliote" to run it from withing Edbrowse.
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Mar 2008, 18:08    Post subject:  

Quote:
I hope someone comes back with the feedback you've requested


Any feedback woud be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2008, 07:45    Post subject:  

SpeakPup has now another download mirror on Dokupuppy:
http://puppylover.netsons.org/dokupuppy/doku.php/pupplets:speakpup

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 22:33    Post subject: oh yes  

http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-development/web/roll-your-own-vinux--1-4

I thought that this set of instructions could be adapted to the latest jaunty puppy build. That would actually be awesome for a global audience of visually impared users.

I think you should invite him to puppy for this project!!
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2009, 10:58    Post subject:  

Sounds like a good idea. However I think it should wait until it is out of alpha stage.

I ran Jaunty in ram and it screwed up my internet to the point that only a fresh install of Puppy 4.10 would bring it back.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Nov 2009, 09:56    Post subject:  

Anything new recently?
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Sep 2010, 15:04    Post subject:  

Hello,
i am trying to install the speakpup for my blind father.

Now i find the alpine mail-software. But these is only a mua. How can i setup the speakpup for mail (to talk with a pop-mailaccount)??

witch software does carry the mails? I can't find it.


Is this the newest puplet for blind users??



Feedback:
it seems more usefull than the adriane-knoppix.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 18:03    Post subject:  

Is anyone able to post a link to a copy of the Speak Pup iso?
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