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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2007, 07:45    Post subject:  Know Gnome
Subject description: No Gnome 4 Puppy?
 



No Gnome 4 Puppy? Crying or Very sad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME

Now we have slackware compatibility . . . any Gnomees interested in creating a full ISO or sfs? Very Happy

Nearly Gnome
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=76915#76915

These resources and Gnome advocates are keen . . .
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=149344#149344

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Nov 2007, 07:10    Post subject:  

Lobster, I'm fascinated by Mark's contribution on that page. In fact I downloaded his dotpups because as you may have gathered I've stayed my foray into recent versions having discovered that halfway through the ver 2 (2.12 onwards and also all the v3 so far, one cannot get them to run on a range of not so recent computers, of which there are many going begging for free or nearly free, and which will run really well with what I suspect are earlier kernels.

I believe earlier Puppy needs to still target that market, so I've been working away for some weeks with dev versions of 2.10pro and 2.02r2, using my developed menus and a limited range of add-on apps, with considerable success.

This is why I've had to avoid joining Robert's "Talking Stick" as I can sense a need for some of those early machines to be updated in looks.

Anyway, being familiar with the Gnome desktop (through Sun Java Desktop System v2 - based on SuSE 8.2 - and from LinuxMint v3 which also offers XFCE as an optional WM) I'm intrigued with the mixture of a Gnome and a JWM taskbar on 2.11 using MU's modifications. I do have problems, and realise I'm not as knowledgeable as I had hoped.



I'm struggling with the ability to select the Gnome desktop (and get it work) - except by accident - and also to locate the whereabouts of the Gnome menu structure - which needs to be edited manually to be useable. But I guess either I'll stumble across both, or someone will prod me in the right direction Smile Very Happy

The strange thing is that if you perchance get a (background-less) Gnome desktop up and running, you automatically lose the Gnome taskbar. However, you can get it back, but the Gnome desktop's icons need moving when that happens. It is far from perfect in its initial state... needs more work... will report back...


Got some pix here, go look at
http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/puppy/Gnome-Puppy/captures

And my button bars seem to work nicely on both the Gnome desktop and the Puppy desktop.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2008, 21:34    Post subject:  a taste of thing to come
Subject description: Gnome-2.20.3 for Puppy-4
 

Lobster wrote:
Now we have slackware compatibility . . . any Gnomees interested in creating a full ISO or sfs?


I am interested in this, since Puppy was like my first distro and I haven't used the gnome desktop. This could be a problem because I do not know what does each program.
Anyway, this is what I have installed so far(Puppy-396):
    libxml2-2.6.30
    libgpg-error-1.6.tar.bz2
    libgcrypt-1.4.0.tar.bz2
    gnome-common-2.20.0
    Python-2.5.1
    intltool-0.36.3.tar.bz2
    rarian-0.7.1.tar.bz2
    ORBit2-2.14.10.tar.bz2
    shared-mime-info-0.22
    GConf-2.20.1.tar.bz2
    libbonobo-2.20.3.tar.bz2
    gail-1.20.2
    at-spi-1.20.1
    gnome-mime-data-2.18.0
    desktop-file-utils-0.12
    libdaemon-0.12
    dbus-1.0.2
    dbus-glib-0.74
    dbus-python-0.82.3
    pygobject-2.14.1
    pycairo-1.4.0
    pygtk-2.12.1
    libvolume_id-0.81.0("udev" slackware-12 package)
    hal-0.5.9.1
    gamin-0.1.8
    gnome-vfs-2.20.1
    gnome-doc-utils-0.12.0
    esound-0.2.38
    libgnome-2.20.1.1
    libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1
    libbonoboui-2.20.0
    hicolor-icon-theme-0.10
    icon-naming-utils-0.8.6
    gnome-icon-theme-2.20.0
    gnome-keyring-2.20.3
    libgnomeui-2.20.1.1
    gnome-menus-2.20.3
    alacarte-0.11.3
    libtasn1-1.3
    opencdk-0.6.6
    gnutls-2.2.1
    libsoup-2.2.104
    evolution-data-server-1.12.3
    libgtop-2.20.1
    startup-notification-0.8
    gtk-engines-2.12.2
    gnome-themes-2.20.2
    gnome-desktop-2.20.3
    libcm-0.1.1
    metacity-2.20.2
    libgsf-1.14.7
    libcroco-0.6.1
    eel-2.20.0
    nautilus-2.20.0
    libxklavier-3.4
    libgnomekbd-2.20.0
    gstreamer-0.10.15
    liboil-0.3.12
    libvisual-0.4.0
    libtheora-1.0beta2
    gst-plugins-base-0.10.15
    libwnck-2.20.3
    gnome-panel-2.20.3
    gnome-control-center-2.20.1
    pyorbit-2.14.3
    gnome-python-2.20.1
    libnotify-0.4.4
    gnome-mount-0.6
    nautilus-cd-burner-2.20.0
    gtksourceview-2.0.2
    speex-1.0.5
    taglib-1.4
    cmake-2.4.8
    neon-0.25.5
    libdiscid-0.1.1
    libmusicbrainz-3.0.1
    musicbrainz-1.1.0
    gst-plugins-good-0.10.6
    iso-codes-1.0
    totem-2.20.3
    gnome-media-2.20.1
    gnome-python-desktop-2.20.0
    deskbar-applet-2.20.3
    eog-2.20.4
    evince-2.20.2
    file-roller-2.20.3
    gconf-editor-2.20.0
    aspell-0.60.5
    enchant-1.3.0
    gedit-2.20.4
    gucharmap-1.10.2
    system-tools-backends-2.4.2
    gnome-applets-2.20.1
    gnome-backgrounds-2.20.0
    gnome-keyring-manager-2.20.0
    gnome-netstatus-2.12.1
    gnome-nettool-2.20.0
    colorblind-0.0.1
    gnome-mag-0.14.10
    gnome-power-manager-2.20.2
    gnome-screensaver-2.20.0
    gnome-session-2.20.3
    libsigc++-2.1.1

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2008, 23:49    Post subject:  

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Lobster, I'm fascinated by Mark's contribution on that page


Wow Richard
Wow wow

Do you feel a GnomePup is possible? Nearing? Sfs?

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Feb 2008, 00:15    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Do you feel a GnomePup is possible? Nearing? Sfs?


sfs for sure.

I've only made it this far manually, with dingo A6:


ORBit-2.0
gconf
libbonobo
gnome-mime-data
dbus-glib
gnome-vfs
esound

WOW gave me some good links for Garnome or JHBuild here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=783950561&t=18478

looks like I made it a bit further that time. should check my notes here more often. Embarassed

I made it all the way through one of those build scripts once but never got it to work right. I wish I could remember which one. I seem to have lost it.
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Feb 2008, 05:13    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
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Wow Richard
Wow wow

Do you feel a GnomePup is possible? Nearing? Sfs?

Mate I would think so, but I'm not a guru nor even a nerd (lol) Very Happy Smile

But I tell you I would love to try one out. Really.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Feb 2008, 11:51    Post subject:  

I would also like to see a GNOME puplet.
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Feb 2008, 18:06    Post subject:  

I too would like a gnome compatible Puppy.

I work with a group of genealogists that use GRAMPS and a Puppy that will run GRAMPS will be a BIG hit with the locals...and other genealogists world wide.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Feb 2008, 18:24    Post subject:  

Screenshot attached, Gramps running in Muppy-Mini 008.2 + addon.sfs.
You also could try the addon.sfs in another Puppy.
After I extracted the debian package on a external partition, I just symlinked usr/share/gramps to /usr/share, and then ran the binary "bin/gramps".

Muppy uses the Gnome-libraries from wow, links:
Gnome-Library with gdesklets and screenlets
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25822
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25824

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Feb 2008, 22:17    Post subject: Is getting bigger . . .  

I've installed more packages:

glibmm-2.14.1.pet
cairomm-1.4.4.pet
gtkmm-2.12.1.pet
liboobs-2.20.0
gnome-system-monitor-2.20.2
gnome-system-tools-2.20.0
dbus-1.1.4 (upgrade)
dbus-python-0.82.4 (upgrade)
system-tools-backends-2.5.7 (upgrade)
gnome-utils-2.20.0.1
gnome-mount-0.7 (upgrade)
vino-2.20.1
rarian-0.6.0 (downgrade)
yelp-2.20.0
epiphany-2.20.3
evolution-2.12.3
evolution-webcal-2.12.0
shared-mime-info-0.23 (upgrade)

Those should be enough, I believe.

What works Smile , what not Confused :
    Confused The "Exit" dialog only shows: "<Change user> <Cancel> <Log out>" reason: GDM not installed because I don't know how to make it work
    Confused gnome-mount, can't mount CD/DVD drives (only works with /bin/mount-FULL instead of /bin/mount)
    Confused gnome-mount, error "The volume '<volume name>' uses the udf file system wich is not supported by your system" trying to mount a DVD(video)
    Confused gnome-mount, removable devices are not displayed until you restart the messagebus and hald services.
    Confused service-tools-backends:
    Code:
    (services-admin:25386): Liboobs-WARNING **: There was an unknown error communicating with the backends: Failed to execute program /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success

    Smile File asociations in nautilus (.doc > Abiword; .sfs > filemnt; .pet > petget; etc. etc)
    Smile Gnome menues (thanks to MU) however I'm working on a more gnome'ish structure
    Smile dbus
    Smile HAL
    Smile gnome-mount, just click any icon in the 'Computer' folder
    Smile everything else


Lobster wrote:
Do you feel a GnomePup is possible? Nearing? Sfs?

I would like to make 4 sfs's (gnome-2.20.3-main.sfs; dev; doc and nls)

John Doe wrote:
I made it all the way through one of those build scripts once but never got it to work right.

Me too Sad

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:12    Post subject:  

Thanks Mark,wow,John Doe,

As soon as I get my internet connection back to somewhat reliable I'll give it a go....this will make a lot of people happy to run GRAMPS on a small fast distro. Most of the ones I know use older kit so this should fit right in.
MU..I'll try the addons.sfs on 3.01 and let you know how it goes.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:01    Post subject:  

OK gonna have to get a HD soon to try Gentoo + Puppy, Gnome in Puppy and I wonder what other projects will emerge.

Puppy. Just a small dog.
Big Heart. Very Happy

Thanks guys for making Puppy even more fun . . .

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Feb 2008, 01:18    Post subject:  

This is just a preview, highly experimental, some features are not available or doesn't work properly. Cool

The final SFS will be ready when Dingo becomes final.

Download

Usage:
    Boot Dingo-alpha-6 in ram mode(pfix=ram) then add the user 'haldaemon' and the group 'haldaemon'. Remove this file: 'gtkrc-2.0' to avoid problems with the gtk theme in Gnome.


    Install [Dingo-Xorg-DRI.pet]
    Copy gnome-2.20.3test01_396.sfs to the same partition where the new pup_save.2fs will be saved.
    Now reboot and save the session.

    To start GNOME exit X and type:
    Code:
    xwin gnome-session



Notes:
1. I compiled everything with puppy-3.96-seamonkey-k2.6.24.iso, for the i686 architecture and with the '/usr' prefix.
2. This SFS was packed with squashfs 3.3 and can't be mounted with earlier versions.
3. If the 'Computer' directory is empty repeat all my install instrucctions carefully.
4. If you had xvesa as the X server you will see an strange error window regarding something about the keyboard, this is normal in xvesa(AFAIK).

Enjoy.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Feb 2008, 02:49    Post subject:  

Is there a program called AT-SPI in there somewhere?
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Feb 2008, 08:48    Post subject:  

Yes, at-spi-1.20.1. Please read few posts above for the complete list of programs and libraries.
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