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ohiozzz

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 17:51    Post_subject:  My Puppy won't work  

I got a Toshiba A205 notebook for Christmas and my live cd's won't boot. I have Puppy 2.16.1 live cd and a pizza pup cd also. Neither of these will boot it starts to boot than hangs when it starts to load kernel. I also have a safepup cd and it boots fine. HELP PLEASE VISTA SUCKS.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 18:11    Post_subject: Re: My Puppy won't work  

ohiozzz wrote:
I got a Toshiba A205 notebook for Christmas and my live cd's won't boot. I have Puppy 2.16.1 live cd and a pizza pup cd also. Neither of these will boot it starts to boot than hangs when it starts to load kernel. I also have a safepup cd and it boots fine. HELP PLEASE VISTA SUCKS.


Does it have a recovery partition? Some pc's have this like dells, and it does checks for the operating systems? have you tried a "frugal install?"

hope that helps a bit
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paulh177


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 18:24    Post_subject:  

Might be worth trying puppy nopcmcia at the boot prompt as pcmcia support has been a problem with some laptops including Toshibas.
It was fixed up in Puppy 3.x.
I think there is a retrofit for 2.x Puppys so if using the boot parm works for you and you want to carry on with 2.x have a look at here. Or use 3.01 .
Failing that, when you say "hangs when it starts to load the kernel" could you be a bit more explicit about the exact point it hangs?
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ohiozzz

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 18:25    Post_subject:  

Yes it does have a recovery partition. No I haven't tried a Frugal Install. Also
I forgot to mention the safepup cd won't shut down or or work like it does on my desktop. All the cd's work on my desktop perfect. how do I do a Frugal Install? I would really like to put Pizzapup on my hard drive.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 18:29    Post_subject:  

When I boot cd it starts loading everything up and at the point where it says loading kernel it just stays at that point. It won't go past loading kernel. I've let it sit for over a hour and it never loads kernel. Than I have to turn off computer from power button to get it to reboot.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 18:34    Post_subject:  

OK so have you tried the "nopcmcia" boot parm?

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 18:39    Post_subject:  

yes I think your right, here's a write-up on it
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22162

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 18:54    Post_subject:  

Yes I tried the nopcmcia with safepup that worked perfect. I havn't tried it yet with the other cd's because I'm at work and the cd's are at home. When I use that boot option you gave me safepup works fine shuts down and does what it's supposed to do. I will try your advice with the others when I get home. Thanks for your quick answers all of you guys are a GREAT HELP. If that boot option works than I can install Pizzapup on my hard drive from the cd. What option is better frugal install or install from cd. Oh I almost forgot I've only been using Linux for about 4 months so I'm still learning
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 19:47    Post_subject:  

with a frugal install you can keep your other operating system, well both options you can but with frugal you aren't messing around with MBR or installing a boot manager, Basically I personally run mine live, Well I have made so many Derivatives so far, "Fire Hydrant series" and "Living Water 2.17" its just easier for me to run live. But my other pc which i use for multimedia/TV-out viewing, Thats a full install.
here's the puppy Linux user manual page, thats really helpful http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyManual
and this page shows you the difference between frugal & full install
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/FrugalvsFullinstall
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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 23:30    Post_subject:  

Actually, that wiki page is pretty inaccurate.

Live CD:
This is booting Puppy from the CD. Once booted, Puppy runs in ram (assuming you have enough). You can optionally have Puppy create a small (32-1024 MB) pup_save.2fs file on the harddrive to save your changes in. This file does not get loaded into ram each boot, only the original files that came with Puppy. Both Windows and Linux filesystems are supported.

Frugal HD:
This is very similar to booting from the CD, but the four important files are stored on the harddrive instead, and you use a boot manager to boot (usually Grub, but Lilo works too, or you can use a Floppy or CD as a boot disk to avoid messing with boot managers on the drive). Once booted, operation is the same as with Live CD: the original files that come with Puppy are loaded into ram, and you can optionally save to a pup_save.2fs file. Both Windows and Linux filesystems are supported.

Full HD:
This is like a normal distro (which is why it's also called the "normal" install, even though Frugal and Live CD are actually more normal for Puppy). With this method, Puppy requires a linux partition and extracts himself into it (taking up two to four times as much space as a Frugal install) and boots using Grub. Puppy will not load into ram when you use this method. Your data and changes are saved directly on the drive, no pup_save.2fs file.


There is no method that will load your pup_save.2fs file into ram, period. The only way to do that would be to hack the boot scripts.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 23:36    Post_subject:  

Pizzasgood wrote:
Actually, that wiki page is pretty inaccurate.

Live CD:
This is booting Puppy from the CD. Once booted, Puppy runs in ram (assuming you have enough). You can optionally have Puppy create a small (32-1024 MB) pup_save.2fs file on the harddrive to save your changes in. This file does not get loaded into ram each boot, only the original files that came with Puppy. Both Windows and Linux filesystems are supported.

Frugal HD:
This is very similar to booting from the CD, but the four important files are stored on the harddrive instead, and you use a boot manager to boot (usually Grub, but Lilo works too, or you can use a Floppy or CD as a boot disk to avoid messing with boot managers on the drive). Once booted, operation is the same as with Live CD: the original files that come with Puppy are loaded into ram, and you can optionally save to a pup_save.2fs file. Both Windows and Linux filesystems are supported.

Full HD:
This is like a normal distro (which is why it's also called the "normal" install, even though Frugal and Live CD are actually more normal for Puppy). With this method, Puppy requires a linux partition and extracts himself into it (taking up two to four times as much space as a Frugal install) and boots using Grub. Puppy will not load into ram when you use this method. Your data and changes are saved directly on the drive, no pup_save.2fs file.


There is no method that will load your pup_save.2fs file into ram, period. The only way to do that would be to hack the boot scripts.


hey pizzzasgood

just wondering maybe edit the wiki, well you have more knowledge about puppy then most and pretty much i trust what you say, so when newbies need help, shouldn't they have proper resources? It would be great if you could. If you don't have the time its understandable. thanks
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 01:32    Post_subject:  

Yeah, I was going to do that after I finished reading through the forum. That gives my brain a chance to clear out so I have a better chance of noticing if I confused myself and said something stupid. Wink

EDIT: Okay, I tweaked it a little.

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