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Musician pups: Ardour, JACK-Qjackctl, Vkeybd, several Synths
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zigbert


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2007, 15:54    Post_subject:  

I've now got Ardour working. Downloaded Slackware package with dependencies. Then used Barrys 'tgz2pet' tool. So quick, so easy.
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toddyjoe

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr 2007, 19:22    Post_subject:  

I have not been around the forum much but just checked in and saw my old posts and applications come up in this thread. To be honest, I have not gone beyond Puppy 1.0.8 for my Linux and music needs. I got all the applications I needed to run a stable, minimal Linux audio and MIDI setup on my old laptop and stopped developing around the end of 2006. Since then, I tried fiddling with MicroMuppy2 a bit but basically decided to leave Puppy music development to those with far more knowledge than a hack music producer and musician. Smile I suspect most of my old applications and dotpups will not work with the newer versions of Puppy given the advances and changes made to the operating system but most of those applications have also been updated. It looks like a few folks here have taken the music development ball and run with it so I look forward to the day when I see good reason to dump Puppy 1.0.8 and upgrade to the newest Puppy version with complete confidence in its audio/MIDI capabilities!
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zigbert


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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2007, 11:12    Post_subject:  

Good to see you around toddyjoe. Now, that Puppy is moving from unionfs to aufs, I really hope that someone goes for a musicians.sfs. It could transform Puppy into a music studio in just a.....click.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2007, 10:51    Post_subject:    

jcagle - thanks for the info.

I've decided that for the time being, rosegarden is sufficient for me (after I learnt that rosegarden can also be used to manage digital audio, perhaps not as good as ardour, but well ...).

hi toddyjoe, good to see you around !
Thanks for the compilation of the dotpups, I wish to retract my earlier statement: I could actually make some of them work on 2.15CE !!

For the benefit of others who are still looking, while waiting for someone to create an updated package:
1. jackd & qjackctl - works
2. zynaddsubfx - works
3. fluidsynth & qsynth - works
4. gmorgan works
5. vkeyb - works with the following note:
a) get libtk8.4.so from here
b) extract the dotpup (the usual way)
c) copy /usr/local/TclTk8.4/lib to /usr/lib

6. rosegarden - works with the following note:
a) get libcurl.3.so from here
b) extract as usual
Just that it's a bit old though, version 1.0.

Oh yes, one final note. After finishing installation, go to /usr/local and delete the "usr" directory in it. That's right, there will be a directory called /usr/local/usr --- remove it. You can keep it there but it's not necessary. I guess this has something to do with the way dotpups operate way back in 1.08 version.

Just wondering - once digital audio is rendered from rosegarden, what tool I should use to convert it into a WAV file which can then be burned as audio CD?

cheers!

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pyrael

Joined: 23 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2008, 12:45    Post_subject:  

jamesbond,

The preferred method would be to first run your mixed tracks through Jamin (not sure if you can get it to run in puppy though) I'd look for a .deb or something that should work in puppy and install that and any dependencies. This will "master" your music.

I'd assume that you are recording in 32 bit floating point. In which case, install audacity and convert to 16 bit with 1 bit dither. This will preserve as much of the audio wave as possible and give a better product.

Then just use any burning program to burn the 16 bit wav files to a cd.

(I am told this is how the pros do it Razz)

Hope that helps

Py
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pyrael

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2008, 12:57    Post_subject:  

now,

I have a question.....

I use the planet ccrma packages along with F7_64 at home, but I am REALLY interested in knowing if these packages will work on puppy 3.0?

I have a 400Mhz Thinkpad that i would love to have a smaller version of my studio on - For quick moments of inspiration and working "on the road"

I would switch my Main rig over to puppy, but alas. Puppy doesn't have a 64 bit kernel as far as I know. And after attempting 6 builds of a working kernel, I destroyed my F7 install (Dont ask) took me 3 days to get grub working again. So I have accepted defeat and won't attempt what is obviously NOT my expertise.Razz

If anyone is willing to build me a kernel That would work with my etup, i would gladly switch.

Here's what I have and need supported(in case someone get's the gumption):
Dual Core 64 bit Intel CPU (not core duo or C2D, just the plain dual core they first came out with)
real time patches etc...
nvidia support for the 7200GS chipset
Intel HDA sound (soon to be M-Audio 1010LT so the envy24 mixer would help too Wink)

If someone can get that to work (I don't care what version of puppy, although the latest stable apps would be nice LOL) I'd immediately switch my studio to puppy. For obvious reasons Razz

Thanks in advance
Py
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nic2109

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2008, 14:03    Post_subject:  

.... since we're in "Wish-list Mode" ... Very Happy

Has anyone got a Sibelius like/compatible setup working in Puppy? Or some other product for producing scores? For my wants it doesn't need more than 4 voices (divided) for an SSAATTBB choir, but others may need more.

If something's there already, then just reply with a link.

Thanks.

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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Feb 2008, 05:39    Post_subject:  

@pyrael: Thanks. For my main audio needs, I switch to either 64studio or ubuntustudio these days. The instruction I left was for those who would like to do it in puppy. I don't do the 1-bit dithering though - too lazy :p

Btw I don't think your 400mhz setup is enough, especially if you use soft synth. I found that jamin eat a lot of cpu time --- enough that I was forced to upgrade from my old trusty 8-year old Athlon XP to Althon64 XP dual-core.

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pyrael

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Feb 2008, 11:23    Post_subject:  

Oh, I wasn't going to use soft synth on the laptop Razz Just basic GM crap sounds from the soundcard. Razz And maybe a MIDI editor just to have the Ideas saved so That I could transfer them to my main studio for the "real deal" Razz

I may be upgrading to a better laptop soon anyway. Although if I don't find a decent one in my (cheap) price range I may just resort to popping Cakewalk PA9 on it with 98SE or 2k (since I have the coasters........er I mean disks laying around Razz) and accept defeat. As I said, The laptop is just for putting down the Ideas and such. (I don't think I can even plug my guitar into that thing:P

Py
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capoverde


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2008, 05:05    Post_subject:  

Hi all,

pity I saw this thread only now, I'm also trying to setup my home studio with Puppy: only Audacity and Timidity are working for the moment, but that's better than nothing. Please put also my name in the Ardour wish list...

@nick2109:

for perfect scoreprinting with old-fashioned but very efficient text input, I suggest ABCPlus: http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/

It is a polyphonic version of ABC, a simple and straightforward music notation language you'll easily learn to handle: don't be fooled by the apparent sluggishness, it's actually faster than graphic-input programs (anyway, there are graphic-input addons if you want).

I've been using it for almost three years now, mostly for choral scores. I simply opened the rpm then copied the files in Puppy's same-name folders: runs smoothly. I did post my result as a DotPup, but it was deleted... possibly because I didn't include the manual.

Only annoyance, EPDF (in 3.01) doesn't "watch" a file and Ghostscript (in 1.08 to 2.14) needs pressing the "r" key every time even if the "watch file" option is set, possibly because of Rox's behavior.

I've uploaded one of my scores here to let you see what comes out:

http://www.savefile.com/files/1462058

There are other notation programs of this kind (Lilypond, PMW, MUP, to say a few) but IMHO this one is the simplest and lightest, with excellent graphic quality. Only GUIDO beats it for complex notation, but sadly is no longer developed.
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Dingo


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2008, 06:54    Post_subject:  

very good score! it's your own composition? (I see also an anacrusis at beginning before regular beat bracket in 4/4) I will run to download this program, but, it's a way to hear what you compose in real time or not? It wolud be useful, without I must go to my piano any time

a final question: I must use:

unrpm to extract rpm? and then? what happens?

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capoverde


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2008, 03:56    Post_subject:  

We're going a little OT here, I'll just say it's a Negro Spiritual, i.e., a traditional American Blacks' chant I found arranged by André Van Ryckeghem in the CPDL library (www.cpdl.org) and rearranged it a bit to my taste.

BTW, the original version is made with TeX-music, and since the CPDL site isn't working at this moment I've posted it here so you can compare:

http://www.savefile.com/files/1462052

Yes, unrpm should unpack the files, which are in folders called /usr, /etc and so on: just copy what's inside into Puppy's folder of the same name.

There are very nice utilities for ABCPlus (see main page in Sourceforge) with which you can obtain a MIDIfile from an ABC text file and vice-versa, though some adjustment is generally needed. This way you can hear how an ABCPlus score (text file) sounds without leaving your PC.
However, let me recommend to train your musical reading skills till the music resounds in your head when you read a score, just as words resound in your head when you read text.

Ah, for Pyrael and all who may like the idea of getting a new laptop for 10$ plus some everyday clicking, here's a site offering just that (I hope this is OK to comply with the forum's rules):

http://3laptops.com//?r=364490

You must then register and get credits every time you click inside their messages, or someone registers with your referral; when you have enough credits, you can have a brand new laptop sent to you with no further expenses.

I'm registered, and if you register using the above link you'll also give me credits -- if you don't like the idea, just use the plain site name; if you do, thank you.
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Mefo

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PostPosted: Wed 21 May 2008, 14:28    Post_subject: MuseScore while Sibelius  

nic2109 wrote:
.... since we're in "Wish-list Mode" ... Very Happy

Has anyone got a Sibelius like/compatible setup working in Puppy? Or some other product for producing scores? For my wants it doesn't need more than 4 voices (divided) for an SSAATTBB choir, but others may need more.

If something's there already, then just reply with a link.

Thanks.


I also want to try installing Sibelius. I understand it has to run with Timidity and Wine and maybe some dlls added. I also understand is slow. I will like to have Sibelius in Puppy since I have many scores, but I may like to find a nice native score writer ...

In the meantime, tthuxx made a great job compiling MuseScore 0.9.2

here is the link:

http://www.puppylinux.ca/ttuuxxx/programs/multimedia/MuseScore0.9.2.pet

there are some graphics for buttons on top that do not show, but if you let the pointer for a while you will discover the function or check out with

http://mscore.sourceforge.net/wpic/sc1.png

Once installed please help me to make it multitimbral. I do not know how to do that with soundfonts. I think it may be better to use it with Timidity too ...


I hope it will work. Please post any bugs.

Mefo
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bill

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jun 2008, 19:08    Post_subject: Ardour and timidty help needed  

Well it seems I am a day late and a dollar short Rolling Eyes in finding Ardour and.Timidity to add to a recording distro running Puppy (Dingo) 4 Has anyone out there had any success with these addins.I did manage to get "Audacity sorted thanks to plinej Very Happy thanks,bill
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jun 2008, 19:23    Post_subject: Re: Ardour and timidty help needed  

bill wrote:
Well it seems I am a day late and a dollar short Rolling Eyes in finding Ardour and.Timidity to add to a recording distro running Puppy (Dingo) 4 Has anyone out there had any success with these addins.I did manage to get "Audacity sorted thanks to plinej Very Happy thanks,bill


Hi bill
Last week a couple of puppy users have joined forces to build a studio version of puppy 3.0.1 and we'll be compiling just about everything we need for this new puppy release. You might want to consider using this when we get it off the ground, But a quick fix for your problem very might be installing gslapt
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=909805115&t=28994
and update it..(Sometimes you have to update twice before you get all the sources.)

After the 3.0.1 release is finished I could see it moving up to 4.0 series , just kind of waiting for some bugs to be fixed in 4.0 before releasing any variants.

once installed you should be able to get just about anything you want, It will be larger in size because it wasn't compiled for your system fully, but that will only be for the first couple of programs until you get the base down.

ttuuxxx

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