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raffy

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Jan 2008, 22:50    Post subject: wiki  

Announcement is there already. Smile
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geneven

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jan 2008, 09:17    Post subject: Not what I am looking for, but a good try  

I finally downloaded it, but the voice is just not what I can live with.

Listen to articles at www.iht.com (each article gives you the choice of listening) and you will hear a truly human-sounding voice with not many flaws.That's what I would like.www.nextup.com also has some good voices, some of which I purchased.

But the nextup voices are mainly for the Windows world, and I think the voice at the iht.com site are only for business use, not for individuals.

So far, I haven't heard what I think of as a decent Linux voice.

Even the Mac has decent voices now, I understand.

So in the Linux world, working with text to speech is a heroic struggle.
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djringjr

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jan 2008, 18:10    Post subject:  

Lobster just sent me this in an email:

Hi David,
Glad you are getting a lot of interest - clearly a need

sounds good - you might be interested in YAP which is now in Beta . . .
Yes it is set up for my usage to run a Buddhist shrine
BUT it could be adapted for your ISO

DOWNLOAD Beta 1 January 28 2008
13MB
http://www.tmxxine.com/shrine3/YAP.tar.gz

It is designed to be easy to alter.
You can add videos and sound of your choice
(a little study of the code in the first post should help to understand
how easy that would be)

So you could use it to provide podcasts and other teaching
or important info

swf files can be created in open office or wink
videos can be created on your camera and added

A front end introducing your puplet is easy to provide

Just click on YAP and it runs
the script can be edited in Geany

YAP info
http://tmxxine.com/wik/wikka.php?wakka=YapInfo

Also one person recommended this:

I would suggest that you try to incorporate the espeak synthesizer
rather than using festival. The speech is a bit better and there are more
languages available.

http://espeak.sourceforge.net

That's it for now!

Glad we have lots of interest in this project!!!

David
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jan 2008, 20:20    Post subject:  

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So far, I haven't heard what I think of as a decent Linux voice


So far. Create interest. Develop need.

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Even the Mac has decent voices now, I understand.

My G4 sings to me - great fun

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So in the Linux world, working with text to speech is a heroic struggle.


Watch this film. We are penguins.
http://wip.warnerbros.com/marchofthepenguins/

Cool

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Trobin

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Jan 2008, 18:15    Post subject:  

Just wanted to apologize to everyone who tried speak-pup and were not able to use email. Elmo is installed in OneBone-210-elinks, and it nevr occured to me that when I upgraded the Puppy Version to 2.17 that Elmo would not come long for the ride. THus there is no email program in speak-pup.

I've downloaded Elmo and tried to instal it in 217, but I get a "segmentation fault" error. I'll have a new iso as soon as I can find a console email clien t that I cn install.
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2008, 00:23    Post subject:  

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Watch this film. We are penguins.
http://wip.warnerbros.com/marchofthepenguins/


The March of the Penguins has a very good commentary.
I know even totally blind people still engage with TV
- the word 'watch' is used generically in this sense. Smile

Human interfaces. Including voice are very important for the future of open source. The huge interest in this project might be of interest to developers who require prompting and feedback to some of their voice programs . . . Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 02:53    Post subject: Email Client  

[quote="Trobin"]Just wanted to apologize to everyone who tried speak-pup and were not able to use email. Elmo is installed in OneBone-210-elinks, and it nevr occured to me that when I upgraded the Puppy Version to 2.17 that Elmo would not come long for the ride. THus there is no email program in speak-pup.

I've downloaded Elmo and tried to instal it in 217, but I get a "segmentation fault" error. I'll have a new iso as soon as I can find a console email clien t that I cn install.[/quo

Would mutt work, perhaps? Well, the name is definitely appropriate. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 03:18    Post subject:  

I've looked at Mutt and was somwhat less than satisfied.
I do have another iso ready to go, and will upload it as soon as possible. Filecruncher is undergoing maintenace.

Line up is:

Operating System......................................Puppy 2.17
Screen Reader............................................Yasr
Voice synthesizer.......................................FreeTTS
Email................................................................Alpine
Text Editer....................................................MP
Chat.................................................................Centerim
File Manager.................................................Ytree
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 03:22    Post subject: kudos for the Interesting Project  

This is a very interesting project. I'm totally blind, and I can give you some feedback on what I've encountered so far.

Brltty has to be configured for each user, depending on the Braille display and port used, along with language settings. As a computer user who knows about enough to be dangerous, but might not know enough to be as useful as I could, I'm not sure how to load Brltty at boot, but I've tried it with other distributions. Anyway, the above parameters would have to be specified.

I'm used to that particular speech synthesizer, so I don't have a problem with it at all. There are better ones, but they aren't free in any sense of the word.

I'm using a Toshiba Satellite laptop, and the sound has only come up once in the approx. 20 times i've booted up Speak Pup. I suspect there's a sound driver issue somewhere. all the more reason to get Brltty loaded on my system.

Two suggestions: put a shell option in the menu. This would make it easier to load brltty and do many other tasks in the console. Also, would it be possible to have a pause at the boot prompt for parameters to be entered?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 04:33    Post subject:  

{quote]This is a very interesting project. I'm totally blind, and I can give you some feedback on what I've encountered so far. [/quote]

I would very much appreciate some input.

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Brltty has to be configured for each user, depending on the Braille display and port used, along with language settings. As a computer user who knows about enough to be dangerous, but might not know enough to be as useful as I could, I'm not sure how to load Brltty at boot, but I've tried it with other distributions. Anyway, the above parameters would have to be specified.


I suppose some sort of bash script could be written first to get the settings, and then to save them into a file that would be read when ever Speak-pup is booted. The script could also check for the file and if found wouldn't have to re-ask for the settings.

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As a computer user who knows about enough to be dangerous, but might not know enough to be as useful as I could,


We might be in the same boat there. Fortunately the Puppy community has Gurus who jump in and help.

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put a shell option in the menu.


As soon as I know how to do that. It's easy to do in a windowing system, but I don't know how to do it on the command line. But as soon as I can figure out how to open another shell, or find a command or program that des so, I'll put it in if I can. So far the closest I've come to it is the command line in the file manager.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 09:02    Post subject: sound driver  

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I suspect there's a sound driver issue somewhere.

See http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=171303#171303

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Trobin

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2008, 17:06    Post subject:  

you could try this
open the file manager form the menu
Press the "x" key to open up a command line
Type in "alsaconf"

That should start the Alsa wizard so it can do a search for your sound card.

I tried compileing the latest Alsa with out any luck. Sad
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dfh

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2008, 17:40    Post subject:  

Trobin wrote:
you could try this
open the file manager form the menu
Press the "x" key to open up a command line
Type in "alsaconf"

That should start the Alsa wizard so it can do a search for your sound card.

I tried compileing the latest Alsa with out any luck. Sad


I'm going to give that one a try; couldn't hurt. I'm learning more and more, slowly but surely, about using the terminal. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2008, 18:14    Post subject:  

let me know how it works.
Thanks.
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Trobin

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2008, 18:24    Post subject:  

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Also, would it be possible to have a pause at the boot prompt for parameters to be entered?


I was just re-reading the thread. There is such a pause in the boot process. I know knoppix uses such a pause to enter the brltty parmeters, or used to. I don't think it's in the latest version.

This would be long before the screen reader kicks in. It might be possible to have puppy make a beep when it starts and when it ends. I may not be able to do that though.
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