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mcewanw

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2008, 03:11    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
BK might sling his Classmates in the nearest rubbish dump and ensure that his own masterpiece works on OLPC/XO and Ms Jepson's putative creation?


Notwithstanding the less than altruistic intentions of Microsoft, I am personally delighted that Negroponte has apparently signed such an agreement with the deil. Intel needs what is coming to them. Anyway, the technological "emancipation" of the world's poor will not suffer in a dual-boot system; once they have tired of the temporary attraction of the XP side of things they can always reboot into the open source world for a true educational experience. They will also have the added advantage of now being able to create some commercial software for running in the XP world too; its good to provide them with the testing ground for that money-bringing marketplace rather than hold them to the restrictions imposed by the Stallman gods of GPL heaven.

One thing we can all thank the OLPC project, including Ms. Jepsen of course, for is the obvious technological innovation that has came from it (and, of course, that other devil Intel would never be selling any low priced subnotebooks at the current prices were it not for their greedy desire to squash the altruistic OLPC opposition.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2008, 06:28    Post subject: if you are still not convinced  

No doubt much still needs to be done software-wise on the XO, but if you are still not convinced that the OLPC/XO is the greatest thing to happen in the world of computing (and more than that) for decades, read the following:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080107182525297

Oh, and really I should maybe say that Mary Lou Jepsen will be remembered as one of the greatest ever innovators in the field. Yes, a woman, no less... and we can look forward to the low-cost, high-efficiency $50 - $75 Jepsen lappie (or, for those living in Europe, the 50 Euro laptop). A rugged environmentally friendly laptop that will last for a long long time. Don't complain about the XO's temporary shortcomings, promote it and improve it.

It is also misplaced arrogance to imagine that RedHat's engineers are less than capable of greatly improving the XO's operating system. These guys will know Linux inside-out. I'm quite sure there are very many talented people working on Puppy Linux, including BarryK himself of course, but this is a small ship. Some of the best Linux gurus in the world work for Redhat (and why not... Redhat pays their wages).

I feel sorry for Nigeria (and others like them); they have been conned by Intel into adopting a machine they can't even read outside in the sun like alone afford to power. They are needing to use diesel backup generators to compensate for their country's unreliable national grid suppy. And then they will (if they can find the resources) have to build large, expensive and extensive wireless infrastructures to compensate for the very limited range and capability of the Classmate's wireless connection provision. Intel are indeed criminals and conmen. Nigeria's remote and widely-spaced rural villages would have benefited greatly from the XO's far superior wireless signal strength and its mesh capabilities.

Don't be greedy and whinge about the XO not yet matching up to your rich consumer expectations. Think of the planet as a whole for once. These are exciting times... Viva the XO!
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2008, 06:34    Post subject:  

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Yes, a woman

Perhaps the world will benefit from a female President?! Sharing, caring, multi-taking and all that jazz................
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2008, 06:41    Post subject:  

Somebody (I think it may have been Dougal) mentioned earlier the probable reason why the XO is sluggish: Sugar is written in Python. Of course, Python is a good language choice for producing a sophisticated new interface in a short time, but yes, that comes with a speed penalty. But at least the strategy gets the machine out on the road quickly, and cheaply (part of the mission afterall). Python is a nice clean language; easy to re-engineer; don't be surprised when Sugar is later ported to something much faster (Python will remain a great choice for development purposes though).

It is Intel who will have to change. The Classmate will be dead and forgotten about in a few years. Intel will be paying to use Jepsen's designs.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jan 2008, 10:42    Post subject:  

Sage said
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US capitalism can't even attend to its own 50m destitute citizens. Way to go.


Seems like Negroponte's even trying to tackle that one!

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9056398

I just wish that somehow all the goodwill referred to could realise a genuine shift in global rebalancing of the economy

I don't feel as though the things I enjoy cheaply need to be provided at the expense of another nations unfortunates,
& would happily give something back, even if the governments & capitalists won't

Mary Lou Jepson is quite an amazing woman, who is lucky to even be alive

http://spectrum.ieee.org/feb07/4900

Her own response to the story, from The Inquirer :-

"Not really flying the coop...
This change has been long standing and well planned.

Also please note: I am continuing with OLPC and contracting
with them to develop next-generation hardware.
I am using OLPC's IP to start a company by mutual agreement."

- Mary Lou Jepsen
posted by : Mary Lou Jepsen, 03 January 2008

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jan 2008, 11:57    Post subject:  

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Seems like Negroponte's even trying to tackle that one!

Probably they'd settle for food, water, shelter and health care first?
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jan 2008, 09:20    Post subject:  

MU wrote:
Now it becomes clear, why the OLPC project wanted to stop Intel selling concurrent products.
The OLPC now is sold in US-schools running Windows XP using dual-boot.

that is all just nonsense.
The school in Alabama is something that was offered to them a while ago and they weren't talking about XP.

It is quite obvious that MS will never support a product that offers a dual-boot: it'll show how crap Windows is!

Also what Bruce Perence wrote is completely nonsensical (and I prefer Debian to Red Hat).

I've started a thread about the progress of MS getting XP to run on the XO:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=166814#166814

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan 2008, 01:30    Post subject: Installing Ubuntu on OLPC XO-1  

This is one of two posts on the OLPC News Forum explaining how to install Ubuntu on an XO-1. http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=1435.0
Looks as though it should be perfectly possible to get Puppy to run without needing as much resource as required for Ubuntu. Wink But neither Puppy nor Ubuntu would be able to exploit the full capabilities of the machine without extra effort.
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan 2008, 06:36    Post subject: bios and screen  

The BIOS and screen+controller are the ones unique for the XO, the rest should be the familiar Geode processor (LX700) and accompanying chips.
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan 2008, 08:08    Post subject: Re: Installing Ubuntu on OLPC XO-1  

BlackAdder wrote:
This is one of two posts on the OLPC News Forum explaining how to install Ubuntu on an XO-1. http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=1435.0
Looks as though it should be perfectly possible to get Puppy to run without needing as much resource as required for Ubuntu. Wink But neither Puppy nor Ubuntu would be able to exploit the full capabilities of the machine without extra effort.

People have also been able to just install Debian and Slackware on it, no customization required.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan 2008, 08:28    Post subject:  

So, what could it be?
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan 2008, 22:41    Post subject:  

Please note my humble objection to the inclusion and content of the political propaganda that is polluting this thread.

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan 2008, 01:52    Post subject:  

r3 : you are entitled to your opinion. Indeed, I will fight for your right to express it. But John has already made his decision. Unlike almost all other fascist websites originating in N America, he has decided that this one will espouse free speech. That includes political and religious comment. Just make sure you don't denigrate a fellow contributor. Please use Search for previous discussions. Apart from which, I am the originator of this thread. As long as it meets with John's acquiescence, interject anything you wish, but something vaguely appropriate would obviously be in line with John's general guidelines.

Afterthought: If you'd been following the plot, you'd've realised that OLPC is a very political issue.

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan 2008, 03:20    Post subject:  

Can't say I've noticed much political propaganda on the thread anyway, but I do have a rather thick skin.
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