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edoc · Posted: Sat 22 Dec 2007, 13:49 Post subject: Minimum RAM for ChurchPup?

I looked on the ChurchPup site and there is lots of good info there but I didn't see specs as to minimum hardware, especially RAM.

My Panasonic Toughbook CF-28 currently only has 256M
of RAM and I am getting insufficient memory errors when
I try to load it.

FireHydrant FH_JWM3.01_c loads and runs OK.

I have a 2G Linux Swap on the 30G HDD

Could it be something other than RAM?

ttuuxxx · Posted: Sat 22 Dec 2007, 14:08 Post subject: Re: Minimum RAM for ChurchPup?

PrairieDog · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 82 Location: Wichita Kansas USA

Hi Doc,
I would recommend 512 megs of ram for good performance but Churchpup has been known to run on 384 megs if a swap partition is available. I'm sure the errors are entirely caused by low ram. Any chance you could squeeze another 128 megs in the Toughbook?

BTW I completed a download of http://www.elmirachristianacademy.com/ChurchPup_releases/ChurchPup_RC1.iso md5sum was good. I used wget -c http://www.elmirachristianacademy.com/ChurchPup_releases/ChurchPup_RC1.iso in a terminal to download it.

Mark

Subito Piano · Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 639 Location: UPSTATE New York

384 RAM & 1 GB swap here and it runs fine. Seems it should run on less than that, albeit slowly.

Gimme specs and anything else and i'll be happy to post on the main website.

edoc · Posted: Sat 22 Dec 2007, 20:16 Post subject:

I did successfully download (wget -c) and burn a good CD (, thanks!

I need to revisit the notebooks forum and write down the compatible RAM and order some.

The CF-28 is technically limited to 512M RAM but like many Panasonic computers many versions were able to recognize more than that - I am hoping that mine is one of them!

Right now it has 256M RAM and 2G swap and for some reason I cannot get ChurchPup to use the Linux Swap.

Just initiated a Full Install from a Frugal install of FireHydrant, had a little trouble with the X setup (probably a CF-28 thing) but did a cold restart and ChurchPup came up beautifully!

Nicely laid-out and real clean. Will report more as I poke around and try to break things! It's a "gift" !?! Wink

edoc · Posted: Sat 22 Dec 2007, 21:40 Post subject:

Still liking what I see!

Some Questions:

1. I am very unhappy with several corporate policies of Google and thus avoid using them whenever possible. How might I alter the default Google search engine and replace it with Clusty.com, please?

2. Also, is it possible to replace the Bibleserver Toolbar selections KJV/TNIV/NIRV/NIV with the NeXt Bible?

3. If I copy /.mozilla from my other laptop over to the one on which I just loaded ChurchPup will FireFox and ThunderBird use the E-mail folders and archived messages and address book and bookmarks, etc. or will it just make a big mess?

Subito Piano · Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 639 Location: UPSTATE New York

If you have Windoze installed somewhere ( i DON'T) you can go to www.crucial.com and download a nice little program that will look at your computer and tell you what you need.

PrairieDog · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 82 Location: Wichita Kansas USA

edoc · Posted: Sun 23 Dec 2007, 16:22 Post subject:

PrairieDog · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 82 Location: Wichita Kansas USA

Well yes actually, I think abook.mab is a mozilla address book file.
I also recognize a java plugin and I think a realplayer plugin.

Not sure what the problem is ,but I usually right-click on .mozilla and copy to a different name like mozillabackup so there are two directories with identical contents but different names. I've never gotten errors when doing it that way.

I've been kind of busy today, but things have slowed down so I'll reproduce what I did at work and report back with details ASAP.

Be patient therefore, brethren

Mark

edoc · Posted: Sun 23 Dec 2007, 21:54 Post subject:

My dumb-pill Sad

I forgot to *close* Seamonkey before trying to copy the folder. Many of the errors were due to the files being in use.

I closed Seamonkey then did the *copy* and these are the only errors:

sdc1/.mozillabackup/plugins/libflashplayer.so
ERROR: Operation not permitted
Copying /root/.mozillabackup/plugins/nphelix.so as /mnt/sdc1/.mozillabackup/plugins/nphelix.so
ERROR: Operation not permitted
Copying /root/.mozillabackup/plugins/nphelix.xpt as /mnt/sdc1/.mozillabackup/plugins/nphelix.xpt
ERROR: Operation not permitted
Copying /root/.mozillabackup/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so as /mnt/sdc1/.mozillabackup/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
ERROR: Operation not permitted

I just copied the /root/.mozillabackup folder to ChurchPup on my other computer then renamed it /root/.mozilla and opened Firefox and then Thunderbird. Neither recognized the new folder - Firefox even loaded an update which wiped out the change of default search engine I made from Google to Clusty.

Apparently the split Firefox/Thunderbird concept versus the integrated Seamonkey concept means some folder duplication and independence.

Firefox has it's own "default" folder for Bookmarks, etc. under /root/.mozilla/firefox and Thunderbird has it's under /root/.thunderbird.

I *may* be able to split up the contents of my /root/.mozilla folder and stuff them into the appropriate Firefox and Thinderbird folders - but I'd sure rather read here from someone who did it before and can save me hours of "gotcha's"! Been there, done that, have the lost hair and time to show for it!

PrairieDog · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 82 Location: Wichita Kansas USA

Hello again Doc, (edit)BTW I wrote this before I read your last post

Well this is one of those times where the concepts of Grace and Forgiveness really come in handy Embarassed

I neglected to take into account you were transferring emails and settings from TeenPup. So I booted up TeenPup and found you have to skip copying the /root/.mozilla/plugins folder. It won't work in ChurchPup.

To Transfer all emails and settings I copied the /root/.mozilla/default folder from TeenPup to the /root/.mozilla folder in ChurchPup and let it overwrite the existing"default" folder. Then I deleted the /root/.thunderbird directory which causes Thunderbird ask if you want to import settings when you first start it up. You can then import settings. This also makes the Thunderbird theme switch back to default instead of the Bible T-bird theme but that's easy to switch back by going to tools>Add-ons>themes in Thunderbird.

If you have any errors making a copy of the "default" folder from TeenPup you could always compress it to a .tar.gz or a .zip and just uncompress it to /root/.mozilla.That should eliminate the errors.

I hope in the end all this makes sense and actually helps Doc.

Hoping you all have a truly Blessed Christmas. We're having a candle light service and Birthday Party for Jesus tomorrow night at 6:00 pm and you're all invited Very Happy

edoc · Posted: Sun 23 Dec 2007, 23:52 Post subject:

PrarieDog you are amazingly helpful!

Did as you instructed and all appears well with Thunderbird for E-mail.

Firefox also successfully imported my Bookmarks.

I am impressed and delighted!

A blessed CHRIST-mas Eve and CHRIST-mas day of celebration of the birth of Christ to all!

KF6SNJ · Posted: Tue 25 Dec 2007, 23:23 Post subject:

Alright. I admit that I am still using ChurchPup 3.01 Beta. However, I did notice something new when I went and reinstalled ChurchPup. My off-market VuPoint digital camera, a piece of junk that I lost the disc for some years ago, is working perfectly with the digital camera package that ChurchPup came with. I am quite surprised and impressed.

edoc · Posted: Wed 26 Dec 2007, 23:47 Post subject: ChurchPup RC1 Is Challenging Me!

I've spent many long hours and am at the end of my geek-creativity to get ChurchPup working on my two laptops.

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Panasonic Toughbook CF-28 256M RAM 1.92G Swap - ChurchPup_RC1 installed Full HDD (I opened another version based on Featherweight then started the ChurchPup install).

Problem: When I try to increase the personal storage file I get this error:

Sorry, Puppy is not currently using a personal persistent
storage file. If this is the first time that you booted
Puppy, say from a live-CD, you are currently running
totally in RAM and you will be asked to create a personal
storage file when you end the session (shutdown the PC or
reboot). Note, the file will be named pup_save.2fs and
will be created in a place that you nominate.
If you have installed Puppy to hard drive, or installed
such that personal storage is an entire partition, then
you will not have a pup_save.2fs file either.
Press OK to exit...

This laptop may be confused because I have a pup_save file and pup_301.sfs and zdrv_301.sfs in /mnt/hda1, I also have vmlinuz in /mnt/hda1/boot, also is this menu.lst correct for a Full HDD install?