Puppy Dingo 392 testing, bug reporting
Puppy Dingo 392 testing, bug reporting
CUPS seems to run OK in Dingo 392.
Seamonkey is fast with its minimal feature list - nice.
Could do with Sylpheed-Claws though, instead of Sylpheed 2.4.7 since the former can make use of gpg encryption.
Alsa sound is a no-goer with this kernel on this hardware here. Alsa is fine with Puppy 3.01 retro.
Alsa setup cannot find the es18xx driver.
Can't get CDW CD writer to work. Could also be due to kernel version.
PetGet system is broken.
I hope a retro version of Dingo becomes available eventually so I can use it on this hardware.
Will be the best Puppy yet when the teething troubles are sorted out.
Seamonkey is fast with its minimal feature list - nice.
Could do with Sylpheed-Claws though, instead of Sylpheed 2.4.7 since the former can make use of gpg encryption.
Alsa sound is a no-goer with this kernel on this hardware here. Alsa is fine with Puppy 3.01 retro.
Alsa setup cannot find the es18xx driver.
Can't get CDW CD writer to work. Could also be due to kernel version.
PetGet system is broken.
I hope a retro version of Dingo becomes available eventually so I can use it on this hardware.
Will be the best Puppy yet when the teething troubles are sorted out.
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Re: Puppy Dingo 392 testing, bug reporting
Sylpheed-Claws became Claws Mail, as of December 2006.tronkel wrote:Could do with Sylpheed-Claws though, instead of Sylpheed 2.4.7
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Re: Puppy Dingo 392 testing, bug reporting
Ah, yes, that's a OSS sound driver? I left those out of the cutdown zdrv file, but I can put them back in if there is demand.tronkel wrote:CUPS seems to run OK in Dingo 392.
Seamonkey is fast with its minimal feature list - nice.
Could do with Sylpheed-Claws though, instead of Sylpheed 2.4.7 since the former can make use of gpg encryption.
Alsa sound is a no-goer with this kernel on this hardware here. Alsa is fine with Puppy 3.01 retro.
Alsa setup cannot find the es18xx driver.
Can't get CDW CD writer to work. Could also be due to kernel version.
PetGet system is broken.
I hope a retro version of Dingo becomes available eventually so I can use it on this hardware.
Will be the best Puppy yet when the teething troubles are sorted out.
PETget will not work yet, as I haven't uploaded the new packages to ibiblio. That won't happen until the beta (or even the final).
Claws -- can it use Bogofilter for filtering? Last time I looked, a year ago or thereabouts, it used a different filtering system written in Perl, that I was unable to get working properly. I posted criticisms to their mail-list about that at the time, hope they have moved to Bogofilter.
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For alpha3 I'll drop CDW, DKOP and Grafburn, use zigbert's Pburn instead. Apart from avoiding the confusion of so many CD/DVD burning apps, that may not work properly, the projects are all dead. Well, Nathan may be back, but he has so much else to work on, that it is great zigbert is getting involved -- initial feedback on Pburn is positive.
Grab Pburn and test it:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23881
Grab Pburn and test it:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23881
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Yes, this new cutdown SeaMonkey does seem to start faster. I've got a fairly fast CPU and the previous SeaMonkey also starts fast, in 1-2 seconds, so it's difficult for me to visually see the difference, it just seems that little bit faster. It will be interesting if there is a noticeable improvement on older hardware, where SeaMonkey startup times are measured in several seconds.
graphics
There has been early dislike of the added size due to gtkmm libs, inkscape and gparted. IMHO, these can be packaged as add-ons.
I was looking for Xpaint for simple drawing, and came across these Linux Standard Base downloads. Maybe it's a good list of "basic" packages to start with.
http://www.linux-foundation.org/download/
I was looking for Xpaint for simple drawing, and came across these Linux Standard Base downloads. Maybe it's a good list of "basic" packages to start with.
http://www.linux-foundation.org/download/
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I acidentally left out the cutdown codecs package for mplayer. It's attached. This will be in the final Puppy, and there will be a full codecs PET package available to be installed.
If there's anything else really essential that needs to be added to this basic package let me know. However, it cannot cover all media files, that will need the full package. I would like the live-cd to handle the most common media files as-is without needing an extra package.
Note, mplayer does have one strange behaviour, which is probably something to do with JWM. Sometimes the video window does not display, only the control-panel window, or sometimes vice-versa. They are both there though, and you have to right-click on the panel and drag it into view. This would seem to be a window manager bug, just like JWM sometimes displays windows off the top of the screen.
If there's anything else really essential that needs to be added to this basic package let me know. However, it cannot cover all media files, that will need the full package. I would like the live-cd to handle the most common media files as-is without needing an extra package.
Note, mplayer does have one strange behaviour, which is probably something to do with JWM. Sometimes the video window does not display, only the control-panel window, or sometimes vice-versa. They are both there though, and you have to right-click on the panel and drag it into view. This would seem to be a window manager bug, just like JWM sometimes displays windows off the top of the screen.
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Re: graphics
I have many times repeated that Puppy alphas are for testing new packages and ideas and do not necessarily represent what will be in the final. Inkscape was included for testing, and the final will most likely have GParted statically compiled with gtkmm and Inkscapelite (as in previous puppies), with the full gtkmm libraries and full Inkscape as PET packages (again, as in previous puppies).raffy wrote:There has been early dislike of the added size due to gtkmm libs, inkscape and gparted. IMHO, these can be packaged as add-ons.
Even though I keep emphasising this when I release an alpha, and I especially emphasise it when the alpha is somewhat more experimental, some people do not get the picture, are not in the spirit of it, and really should not be involved in testing an alpha.
mplayer works as is
I've thrown a number of common video files at alpha2 and all ran well, mov, mpg, mp4, flv, wmv... edit: avi, too
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Boot takes too much time when copying to RAM.
Auto DHCP doesn't setup DNS address.
Screen refreshing rate too low.
Video wizard icons missing.
Xvesa lags when displaying, moving windows, scrolling etc.
When resizing mplayer, it disappears in the corner.
Mplayer doesn't play video double, full size but always same size.
Codecs missing for mplayer.
Mp4, 3gp, midi etc formats not recognized as sound, videos (no programs associated).
For Hardinfo : /usr/lib/libz.so missing
Auto DHCP doesn't setup DNS address.
Screen refreshing rate too low.
Video wizard icons missing.
Xvesa lags when displaying, moving windows, scrolling etc.
When resizing mplayer, it disappears in the corner.
Mplayer doesn't play video double, full size but always same size.
Codecs missing for mplayer.
Mp4, 3gp, midi etc formats not recognized as sound, videos (no programs associated).
For Hardinfo : /usr/lib/libz.so missing
Claws-Mail
These mail clients from Japan do have odd names . . but I vote for Claws over Sylpheed. I have been testing it from Slaptget. It's not much larger than Sylpheed and easily as fast and more flexible.. This package is complete and not neutered like some. It has the best implementation of GPG I've seen. (The complete Sylpheed can send mail encrypted by GPG but cannot decrypt inline mail so no good for me.)
Re: Puppy Dingo 392 testing, bug reporting
Consider that if this waits for the final, then post-final is when testing gets done.BarryK wrote:PETget will not work yet, as I haven't uploaded the new packages to ibiblio. That won't happen until the beta (or even the final).
And proprietary codecs.I acidentally left out the cutdown codecs package for mplayer ... it cannot cover all media files, that will need the full package.
Now that's the spirit! Way to rally the troops!...some people do not get the picture, are not in the spirit of it, and really should not be involved in testing an alpha.
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printing, bareview and claws
Tempestuous has experience building Claws-mail.
Printing to HP1300 network printer goes well. At the start of the add printer dialogue, the interface correctly identified the port and printer (HP1300N at USB port #1), so I wonder why it still asks the user for make and model numbers. Also, the security warning may be removed, as it always shows when CUPS is started. [This is something for the CUPS interface designers.]
Both Abiword and PDFviewer were able to do printing, this time as HP printer (as identified during the setup), no longer as "generic printer". But the "Generic printer" entry is still there. Also the "print-to-PDF" printer.
Would someone be able to explain the usefulness of the "generic printer"?
When I stopped to view TOP, 2 instances of bareview were each eating above 80% of RAM, which I understand to be the (1) CUPS browser window and the (2) printing status window.
Re printing status: as printing takes time, could gxmessage display something like "Please wait, the CUPS minister has taken your command and has just passed it to the printer cavalry". Maybe it's a good idea to come up with a "messages" file that the user can edit (must be good for translation as well as humor).
Re NTFS, when I mounted one NTFS partition, it displayed a red window saying "illegal option --i". Despite this, the NTFS partition was opened read-only. My take on this: leave NTFS alone (just read it, don't write on it), and use extra HD space through Gparted. Using NTFS and coping with its idiosyncracies is a waste of time, IMHO.
Colors of dialogue boxes: the bright red box of the NTFS dialogue as well as the dark blue box of the CUPS dialogue were quite distracting in a desktop, so perhaps some lighter colors could be used?
Thanks for the fun testing 4alpha2.
EDIT: Wrong timing for the shots, AJ. Get started with a project so we could perhaps give shots your way, too, though its nature would be different.
Printing to HP1300 network printer goes well. At the start of the add printer dialogue, the interface correctly identified the port and printer (HP1300N at USB port #1), so I wonder why it still asks the user for make and model numbers. Also, the security warning may be removed, as it always shows when CUPS is started. [This is something for the CUPS interface designers.]
Both Abiword and PDFviewer were able to do printing, this time as HP printer (as identified during the setup), no longer as "generic printer". But the "Generic printer" entry is still there. Also the "print-to-PDF" printer.
Would someone be able to explain the usefulness of the "generic printer"?
When I stopped to view TOP, 2 instances of bareview were each eating above 80% of RAM, which I understand to be the (1) CUPS browser window and the (2) printing status window.
Re printing status: as printing takes time, could gxmessage display something like "Please wait, the CUPS minister has taken your command and has just passed it to the printer cavalry". Maybe it's a good idea to come up with a "messages" file that the user can edit (must be good for translation as well as humor).
Re NTFS, when I mounted one NTFS partition, it displayed a red window saying "illegal option --i". Despite this, the NTFS partition was opened read-only. My take on this: leave NTFS alone (just read it, don't write on it), and use extra HD space through Gparted. Using NTFS and coping with its idiosyncracies is a waste of time, IMHO.
Colors of dialogue boxes: the bright red box of the NTFS dialogue as well as the dark blue box of the CUPS dialogue were quite distracting in a desktop, so perhaps some lighter colors could be used?
Thanks for the fun testing 4alpha2.
EDIT: Wrong timing for the shots, AJ. Get started with a project so we could perhaps give shots your way, too, though its nature would be different.
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Barry i was able to get hooked up to the net with 4.00 alpha BUT seamonkey devoured and sucked away the very life out of my 64 mb ram.
i was able to use pidgin so that is good.... dillo would be nice
i started up most of the apps with no prob except mplayer still some kinks like sometime the windows open off screen and it locked up X when launched from the menu sometimes
mplayer is still locking up my big PC so not a speed thing
are you not starting it with gmplayer?
is there any way to prevent mplayer from opening again if you click on a new file...?
i was able to use pidgin so that is good.... dillo would be nice
i started up most of the apps with no prob except mplayer still some kinks like sometime the windows open off screen and it locked up X when launched from the menu sometimes
mplayer is still locking up my big PC so not a speed thing
are you not starting it with gmplayer?
is there any way to prevent mplayer from opening again if you click on a new file...?
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I could not get mplayer to start from the main menu, it just locked up. So I changed the "Exec=exec gmplayer" in the mplayer.desktop file at /usr/share/applications to read "Exec=rox /usr/bin/mplayershell" instead and did a fixmenus, all is well now.
Good Luck, Kal
Good Luck, Kal
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Barry , can not start the Xwindow after I add the .fonts directory in /root .
The .fonts directory was symbol link to /home/fonts directory . My pup_save.sf2 is in /had2 ( ext2 fs) .
The fonts directory content only have one font file (fireflysung.ttf) .
I use the Rox-Filer to make the symbol link , after making the symbol link,
the seamonkey can not start . Then I reboot the puppy-3.92-seamonkey
live CD , the result is Xwindow can not start . I remove the .fonts symbol link and type xwin , the Xwindow return normal .
I use this method to add fonts file since Puppy 1.08 to 3.01 , it work very good . I enjoy Puppy linux very much , thinks !
The .fonts directory was symbol link to /home/fonts directory . My pup_save.sf2 is in /had2 ( ext2 fs) .
The fonts directory content only have one font file (fireflysung.ttf) .
I use the Rox-Filer to make the symbol link , after making the symbol link,
the seamonkey can not start . Then I reboot the puppy-3.92-seamonkey
live CD , the result is Xwindow can not start . I remove the .fonts symbol link and type xwin , the Xwindow return normal .
I use this method to add fonts file since Puppy 1.08 to 3.01 , it work very good . I enjoy Puppy linux very much , thinks !
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I have no trouble with it.linuxcbon wrote:Boot takes too much time when copying to RAM.
Auto DHCP doesn't setup DNS address.
yes, we have always known that. alpha2 is a build with xvesa, so that's the way it is.Screen refreshing rate too low.
Xvesa lags when displaying, moving windows, scrolling etc.
You mean the "X Server Chooser Wizard". That shouldn't even be there, as this build dosn't have the full Xorg servers. I've now removed it.Video wizard icons missing.
yes, there is a resizing problem. Okay, I may have to update some media file formats in Rox. JWM has a problem with displaying mplayer windows, I'll get onto Joe, the author about this.When resizing mplayer, it disappears in the corner.
Mplayer doesn't play video double, full size but always same size.
Codecs missing for mplayer.
Mp4, 3gp, midi etc formats not recognized as sound, videos (no programs associated).
Err, I don't find this problem. I tested with 'ldd /usr/bin/hardinfo' and it needs /lib/libz.so.1, which is there.For Hardinfo : /usr/lib/libz.so missing
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I'm using a script, /usr/bin/mplayershell, to start mplayer. This is supposed to detect any special situations. Yes, gmplayer is used. The script could detect if mplayer already running then not start another instance ...but would everyone want that? or, I suppose the old instance could just be killed.cb88 wrote:
mplayer is still locking up my big PC so not a speed thing
are you not starting it with gmplayer?
is there any way to prevent mplayer from opening again if you click on a new file...?
Seamonkey startup
On my ancient pre-2000 hardware here (400MHz AMD 192MB RAM), Puppy's built-in Seamonkey was always a slow starter (and also slow in browsing).
The versions downloaded direct from Mozilla were always a bit faster and even more so with the latest version 1.1.6.
The new cut-down Seamonkey is even faster to the extent that it is about twice as fast on startup times as the previous built-in versions 1.1.2 to 1.1.5.
Also, Seamonkey's performance doesn't seem to degrade as much over time, as is the case with the the later versions of Firefox., even if the browser is left running for an extended period. Has Seamonkey cured
the supposed "memory-leak problems" whereas Firefox has failed to do so?
The versions downloaded direct from Mozilla were always a bit faster and even more so with the latest version 1.1.6.
The new cut-down Seamonkey is even faster to the extent that it is about twice as fast on startup times as the previous built-in versions 1.1.2 to 1.1.5.
Also, Seamonkey's performance doesn't seem to degrade as much over time, as is the case with the the later versions of Firefox., even if the browser is left running for an extended period. Has Seamonkey cured
the supposed "memory-leak problems" whereas Firefox has failed to do so?
Life is too short to spend it in front of a computer
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Raffy wrote:
Raffy, did you use pmount to mount that partition? I looked at the /bin/mount script and cannot see any way that a '--i' parameter can be there. So, I'm wondering if you tried to mount it some other way. But, as you got that red window it means the mount script did run -- but, the mount script screens out all passed parameters that start with a '-', so I'm puzzled.Re NTFS, when I mounted one NTFS partition, it displayed a red window saying "illegal option --i". Despite this, the NTFS partition was opened read-only. My take on this: leave NTFS alone (just read it, don't write on it), and use extra HD space through Gparted. Using NTFS and coping with its idiosyncracies is a waste of time, IMHO.