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Barry K. if PuppyOS works with OLPC do you plan support?
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rrolsbe

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Nov 2007, 13:07    Post subject:  Barry K. if PuppyOS works with OLPC do you plan support?
Subject description: Using Puppy on the One Laptop Per Child OLPC via USB stick
 

Barry K.

I know the folks at OLPC gave you the cold shoulder regarding the use of PuppyOS on their laptop, but, assuming Puppy works with Open Firmware, do you plan to try and support the beast? BTW, I agree with you regarding the use of Puppy on there laptop, or at least the choice between Redhat and PuppyOS. I used the OLPC LiveCD to take a peek at the interface and found it cute, but very lacking for my (adult) purposes.

I put this in the cutting edge section of the forum because I believe the OLPC is cutting edge.

Inquiring Minds Await Your Response
Thanks Very Much
Regards
Ron
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Nov 2007, 13:57    Post subject:  

Hi, I to have considered the OLPC as a canidate for a mobile PC being both cheap and energy efficient so if Puppy worked on there as well that would be great.
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Nov 2007, 19:33    Post subject: unit for Barry  

There is a new OLPC discussion here, and it is very likely (with some tweaking) that Puppy will run in it.

What remains to be done is give Barry one such machine, so he can do the tweaks directly.

I agree that this laptop is energy-efficient. There are equivalent machines available to Puppy enthusiasts, which are fully x86 compatible.

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Nov 2007, 23:15    Post subject:  

Um, I shouldn't say anything to give this away prematurely, but I have received an offer of two laptops that are competitors to the OLPC, to get Puppy working on them. I haven't decided whether to accept yet.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 04:01    Post subject:  

" I haven't decided whether to accept yet. "

Hey! Mr Nice Guy.
Modesty is OK....but the interest is there so take up the offer.

Once you have sorted them out......maybe with your Benefactors?
prior consent you could redonate them elsewhere,
or flog them off cheaply etc.

Chris

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 11:37    Post subject:  

Hmm...wonder if ecomoney is following this thread?
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 14:27    Post subject:  

Hi A.J. thanks for pointing this one out.

Puppy would be an excellent OS choice for these types of low spec laptops, and would no doubt do a lot to boost puppy's profile and standing. May I suggest Barry this would be an excellent project to become involved in once the 3.02 foundations for the next community edition are in place?

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 14:52    Post subject: Re: Barry K. if PuppyOS works with OLPC do you plan support?
Subject description: Using Puppy on the One Laptop Per Child OLPC via USB stick
 

rrolsbe wrote:
I used the OLPC LiveCD to take a peek at the interface and found it cute, but very lacking for my (adult) purposes.
Here a clarification could be usefull.

Recently I was talking to Mike C. Fletcher (responsible for "Developer Relations" for the One Laptop Per Child project) and he pointed out that there were many design desicions geared to discourage adults from using the OLPC.

He also explained that one reason why they were reluctant to sell computers to adults on the developed world was to reduce the black market.

The following parragraphs correspond to my own thoughts:

If you pay close attention, the last "C" refers to Child. These are computers for children. The keyboard, colours, form factor, software, etc are geared towards children.

There should be a stigma associated with an adult using a OLPC. These computers are for children. Every adult using one also means that there is a child not using it.

Even under the Buy-one-donate-one schema, the one you buy should be for a child. Whether it is your son or cousin or a disadvantaged child in your neighborhood. It is a computer for a child to call it his/her own.

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 15:08    Post subject:  

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Um, I shouldn't say anything to give this away prematurely, but I have received an offer of two laptops that are competitors to the OLPC, to get Puppy working on them. I haven't decided whether to accept yet.


If it sounds like fun - go for it. Puppy in hardware. Sounds good to me. I hope they are x86 and not MIT, Godson or ARM chips . . .

I still feel we need, 'reference hardware' for those intending to purchase new or second hand hardware, especially in the note book and emerging sub-notebook arena.

Other disros will be only too keen to put Sloth Linux on emerging laptops.

We may get some promotion and with your new digital camera and piglets help |(the Puppy formally known as Vincent) we look forward to pics of the whole process. Cool

How exciting.

Woof woof.

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 19:12    Post subject: Puppy on OLPC
Subject description: It's not only children who could benefit
 

Sure; it's definitely geared for children. And seriously poor ones at that.

But there is another angle. My wife teaches Literacy and Basic Skills to adults in a pretty run-down part of Central England. Much of the material she uses is on Web sites like the BBC's and she is seriously hampered by the lack of PCs in the class-room. Something like the OLPC could transform her work as they are cheap enough for cash-strapped education budgets and their pupils. They network with each other in a cloud so as long as one of them is in signal range of the server then they can all be on-line.

Yes the OLPC is for children who are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH poorer than anyone in England so we shouldn't take any away from that channel. But we do need cheap, reliable and robust laptops here too!

Please Barry, just do it!
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 19:28    Post subject: Re: Barry K. if PuppyOS works with OLPC do you plan support?
Subject description: Using Puppy on the One Laptop Per Child OLPC via USB stick
 

rarsa wrote:

There should be a stigma associated with an adult using a OLPC. These computers are for children. Every adult using one also means that there is a child not using it.


Perhaps so, and I do see your point. However, I rather feel that, even though your thoughts are well-intentioned, the result of applying them would be very restrictive and limiting. If anything, I would say that the OLPC project is struggling to be accepted, so any uptake, from any source, should be welcomed with open arms. Furthermore, the Free and Open-Source Software movement, more generally, is all about freedom of choice, and I personally prefer the dangers of that to artificial barriers, which can only limit the overall uptake of these open-source-based machines whilst encouraging the adoption of the Microsoft+Intel-based alternatives.

I suppose, what really interests me about the OLPC project is less the machine itself than the innovative concepts behind its "Sugar" interface. There is no reason, it seems to me, that the "journal" metaphor of "Sugar" needs to be restricted for use only with software suitable for a child. The interesting thing about "Sugar" is that the journal metaphor it employs carries, in my opinion, less cultural baggage than the traditional hierarchical space-oriented desktop to which we (in the 'West' at least) have become indoctrinated. Far from being a "childish" interface, I envisage Sugar to be a more universal paradigm (I hope so anyway). Nevertheless, for "Sugar" to take off, the OLPC offering needs to take off; the more of them adopted, the better.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 19:58    Post subject:  

Lets see here: Puppy v3.xx, Puppy v4.xx, possibly One Laptop Pupified Computer ... three parallel projects. Divide devs by 3. Divide testers by 3. Division, division, division ...

Oh yes: TS-3.03CE pending v3.xx stability. Not quite a new divisor, but a factor of sorts.

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2007, 20:46    Post subject: developers  

Any Puppy Linux developer can handle the Classmate PC, as Hacao has already solved the remaining display problem: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22880
See also http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23087

As to the eee, here's what has been done so far:
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=9485
See also http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22535

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Nov 2007, 16:44    Post subject: I pulled the trigger and ordered the OLPC XO Laptop
Subject description: Hopefully puppy will boot on the XO but I suspect X will not work.
 

Guess I can try out Pepper on the XO, see link.

http://www.pepper.com/linux/olpc.html

Heres hoping the XO will eventually work with a small linux distro like PuppyOS. Of course, this assumes buyers purchase the Beast.

Regards
Ron

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Nov 2007, 11:56    Post subject: ndiswrapper  

It looks like folks using the eee got the Atheros wifi working through ndiswrapper. The eee wiki page is here: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:configurendiswrapper

Puppy Linux versions as old as 2.13 have been known to work in the eee.

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