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Fire Hydrant 3.0.1b Soon to be released
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ttuuxxx


Joined: 05 May 2007
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Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Sat 03 Nov 2007, 13:26    Post subject:  Fire Hydrant 3.0.1b Soon to be released
Subject description: Fire Hydrant + Fat free
 

Hello peers

I've been building a new release of Fire Hydrant based on Fat Free, Its slimmer, Meaner and faster.
I have been fixing anything that was reported to me and also in the forums.
Basically what i need from you the users is any input you might want to see in this release before it goes live. Your voice does matter!, like which media players do you want? or which text editors do you want? Is Leafpad ok? or do you want Geany also?
Do you want games embedded into Firefox?
I'll leave this open for around 10Hrs or so then I'll make my final release.
Thanks for your time
ttuuxxx
www.ttuuxxx.com
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veronicathecow


Joined: 21 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Nov 2007, 14:27    Post subject:  

Hi I love fire hydrant but what I need is F.F. Thunderbird, O.O. all on ISO. Sadly extra packages never seem to work for me for except when someone has done a completed ISO
Anything along those lines appreciated.
Also for people like me with bad eyesight a "Clean theme" not these silly high contrast ones that XP has that are harder to read than normal would be brilliant.
Thanks for your consideration of these ideas.
Cheers
Tony
P.S. K3B is the best CD/DVD tools I have come across.
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Snert

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Nov 2007, 17:05    Post subject:  

Hi
I have been watching Puppy's growth here for long time, registered myself actually after found things have got more suitable to me. Because I am still stranger to creating side and probably will take while until I manage to build my own puplet, I would like to use this offer here.
I am Estonian, so I have found Puppy to suite me after Wizard Wizard appeared in start menu as it is now. Our language has own specific letters there and it's nice to have them now in use(shame me, not too good with adding locales to previous versions Razz ).
I truely hope to not seem rude by trying ask out some software setup, but anyways, feels like it does, here I go:

1. as already mentioned above - K3B, best ever feeling to burn something.
2. listening Shoutcast, Xiph, etc, with recording ability - You should give try for some Romanian or Hungarian or Czech station. Very good to have on background while Cad'ing smth. No understanding - no mind off the work
3. Frostwire helps me alot
4. Dc++ is a great option
5. Gaim was quite unstable until Gaim2 appeared - super, also Pidgin, whatever
6 Qcad is nice tool
7. With bit older versions of Puppy I found me to be able watch alot streams with no problem, somehow latest versions do not support that much. I suspect, this gets solved at its own time anyways
8. In Europe lot of radiostations use rawflow plugin for Firefox. Any idea how to integrate this option to Seamonkey?
9. How about putting Debianinstaller also there?
10. And latest Skype, please
...
of course, wouldn't like lose Gxine, XMMS, Realplayer, Gimp, other "standard kind" applications of list

Well, wouldn't dare to stick my nose more up
Somehow I have feeling, that I would have lot of followers if this kind setup would be available to introduce. Puppy as kind is one of best things to appear in Penguland. Haven't seen the perfect distro yet, but I know, what I love now already...

Good Luck, whatever the decisions will be
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Snert

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Nov 2007, 17:55    Post subject:  

Oh, btw, if conciderable - VLC is sort of "Panzerfaust" if other players fail, however, too large probably
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raffy

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Nov 2007, 20:10    Post subject: mplayer  

MPlayer has worked well, especially with Firefox media extensions.It will be nice to have these.

Also, would there be a tweak so that Firefox 2+ can show many tabs in the open window?

Office software tend to make the build large, so probably they are better used as add-on sfs.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Nov 2007, 06:37    Post subject: here's an idea  

Ok i've been reading all your excellent responses, and basically what i am think is that, I might have to make 3 versions

version 1. extremely small for older pc's no java, some smaller applications, etc, around the 120MB

version 2. This would be more like my regular version, I would like to put K3B burner but that takes tons of dependencies and is about 80MB, and if you add 80mb for java, and say 90mb the original distro, Thats 250MB before any other video,web applications, so no K3B but I'll install Graveman , open office lite and. around 200-250mb

version 3 java, K3B, 4-6 video players, open office plus all the regular applications, a ball park figure of 440MB

if i am able to do this does anyone have extra server bandwidth, my current one freaked out this month when i went over 100gig of downloads in like 20 days, it was suppose to be unlimited and unmetered, man that gets me.

Thanks for everything, I'll start on version 1 and 2, and hold back on version 3 release until i get some extra hosting room, I know of 1 person who might help, so I'll contact him.
Also an idea might be, version 3 as a torrent file until i find extra space.
anyways have fun, Smile ttuuxxx
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veronicathecow


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Nov 2007, 08:10    Post subject:  

Hi I have a web site that I am not using much so may be able to host the 90 MB file for a while but why not torrent them instead? I will happily seed when my machine is on for a month or two.
May thanks for option 3 that would be great for convincing people puppy can do it all.
Cheers
Tony
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klu9

Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Nov 2007, 10:33    Post subject:  

another vote for torrenting; I've just done it with the latest version of Gray's NOP.

Also, instead of posting links to individual http/ftp mirrors, I suggest posting a Metalink. This would spread the upload burden among several servers. Again I've done it with NOP, as well as the last few versions of standard Puppy. See:

In fact, even if noone else uses Metalinks, I make them for myself and download Puppy that way: very fast, gets it from several different servers simultaneously, easy resumption in case of interruption and with built-in MD5 anti-corruption checking.

The way I've offered metalinks is by posting a query link to Metamirrors.nl for the file (this requires that someone {me Wink } has previously added the urls for the MD5 checksums on the different mirrors to the Metamirrors database); when you click on it, Metamirrors then auto-generates and gives you a metalink. But if you build your own metalink, you can assign priority to different servers, to avoid delicate ones getting hammered. (e.g. you could assign ibiblio mirror a priority of 90, but your delicate server a priority of 60.)
  • http://www.metamirrors.nl
  • http://metamirrors.nl/backend/get.php?auto&lnk= (code to put infront of a regular link for an iso or in front of a checksum, to create a query link to metamirrors that will auto-generate a meta link)
For example, this url:
is the combination of the above code and a regular url for the Puppy iso; clicking on it will give you a metalink with not only that URL but all the others that have been added to the database (you can open the metalink file in a text editor to see for yourself). When you give the metalink to your metalink capable downloader, it can download from any or all of those mirrors simultaneously. Just make sure every mirror hosting the iso also hosts the MD5 in the same directory/folder, and that the urls of those MD5s have been added to the Metamirrors database.

If I've made it sound complicated, let me just say this: if I am capable of doing these things, then it should be no problem for a "distro remasterer". Laughing I've never remastered anything.

Also, other possible hosts for FireHydrant: Caneri's puppylinux.ca and tuxfamily.org. See this forum thread:
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Caneri

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Nov 2007, 19:32    Post subject:  

Firehydrant is now hosted on puppylinux.ca and welcome ttuuxx!

it is here

http://www.puppylinux.ca/puppyfiles/custom/

for now and will be moved as follows when ttuuxxx gets it up Wink

http://www.puppylinux.ca/ttuuxxx/

Welcome again and enjoy.

_________________
Be not afraid to grow slowly, only be afraid of standing still.
Chinese Proverb

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jameson737

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2007, 06:55    Post subject: fire hydrant 3.01b  

Cool man, count me in as another vote for version 2 which comes with open office!! It's just get hotter with fire hydrant. Very Happy
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veronicathecow


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2007, 07:57    Post subject:  

Metalinks sounds a great addition giving us the best of all worlds.
Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Nov 2007, 11:19    Post subject: Re: Fire Hydrant 3.0.1b Soon to be released
Subject description: Fire Hydrant + Fat free
 

ttuuxxx wrote:

Basically what i need from you the users is any input you might want to see in this release before it goes live.


I just made a live CD of the a version....and was really happy that you have the cups version 1.1.23 .. it supports my laser4plus.

Unfortunately, it doesn't recognize my video in xorg...and I can't change the screen resolution in xvesa.

Hope this information helps.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2007, 22:23    Post subject: all 3 new ones are made, and one varient  

Hi I've been working like mad on making theses versions, I'm currently uploading them and will be releasing them later on today, I think it will be the biggest single person release in puppy history, a total of 3 Fire Hydrants and one Variant, the reason for a Variant is that the main Fire Hydrant release has 2 versions, one with Abiword 205MB and the other with Open Office cutdown 270MB. Also a featherweight no-java version 130MB. Then one final version that will have just about everything all of you wanted, other than Qcad, I tried to get Qcad going but it needs a lot of libraries and isn't guaranteed to work, but i did put another cad program in it.But i'm currently working on it and i think it will be big in size, but it runs fine on my dual core AMD 4400 with 1 gig of ddr2 800. I'll try to figure out the specs of each also. Smile ttuuxxx
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2007, 22:39    Post subject:  

Snert wrote:
Hi
I have been watching Puppy's growth here for long time, registered myself actually after found things have got more suitable to me. Because I am still stranger to creating side and probably will take while until I manage to build my own puplet, I would like to use this offer here.
I am Estonian, so I have found Puppy to suite me after Wizard Wizard appeared in start menu as it is now. Our language has own specific letters there and it's nice to have them now in use(shame me, not too good with adding locales to previous versions Razz ).
I truely hope to not seem rude by trying ask out some software setup, but anyways, feels like it does, here I go:

1. as already mentioned above - K3B, best ever feeling to burn something.
2. listening Shoutcast, Xiph, etc, with recording ability - You should give try for some Romanian or Hungarian or Czech station. Very good to have on background while Cad'ing smth. No understanding - no mind off the work
3. Frostwire helps me alot
4. Dc++ is a great option
5. Gaim was quite unstable until Gaim2 appeared - super, also Pidgin, whatever
6 Qcad is nice tool
7. With bit older versions of Puppy I found me to be able watch alot streams with no problem, somehow latest versions do not support that much. I suspect, this gets solved at its own time anyways
8. In Europe lot of radiostations use rawflow plugin for Firefox. Any idea how to integrate this option to Seamonkey?
9. How about putting Debianinstaller also there?
10. And latest Skype, please
...
of course, wouldn't like lose Gxine, XMMS, Realplayer, Gimp, other "standard kind" applications of list

Well, wouldn't dare to stick my nose more up
Somehow I have feeling, that I would have lot of followers if this kind setup would be available to introduce. Puppy as kind is one of best things to appear in Penguland. Haven't seen the perfect distro yet, but I know, what I love now already...

Good Luck, whatever the decisions will be

the big one i'm building right now covers all these applications other than rawflow plugin , I didn't included that plugin because it would force everyone to p2p and force everyone to accept the privacy policy of rawflow. Also DC++ is a windows app and i included frostwire and azureus . So that should cover the DC++
Thanks for all your great comments
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Nov 2007, 03:20    Post subject: snapshot of the extra large Fire Hydrant  

hi i'm still building the extra large version but i was thinking why no give a sneak peek of the big one, I think when i am finished, I'll group the desktop shortcut icons into folders because its taking so much desktop space.Like an example folders could be "P2P" and "Burning" "Office" "Multimedia" that would remove like 20+ icons , what do you think?
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