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Be "Happy" - New Alpha TESTING released
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Lobster
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2007, 03:38    Post subject:  Be "Happy" - New Alpha TESTING released
Subject description: developers compiler also available
 


Alpha testing Download available - WARNING THIS IS AN ALPHA FOR TESTING PURPOSES
ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/test/puppy-2.20alpha-seamonkey.iso

Md5sum puppy-2.20alpha-seamonkey.iso
dae59f616d0d983197047702f290283c

test Puppy 2.20 Alpha "Happy"
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy220

Should we try it?
Oh yes! Cool

    1. If you download and burn and then run from CD/DVD
    with the command "puppy pfix=ram" all your settings will be safe
    just remember not to save settings when you power down

    2. You will be able to check out the latest Seamonkey
    (with spell check support - ideal for the ...ilita...illeet
    ...those who can't spell)

    3. Puppy becomes a front end to an exciting abundance of software
    - the whole of Slackwares compiled software becomes available to Puppy

    4. Will it boot on a PC with 48MB of ram as reported?


5. Developers compiler is a separate download


Get ready to be happy - feedback as always will be most welcome
"Oh Happy Day" Rolling Eyes

Keep an eye on Barrys blog
http://www.puppylinux.com/news/

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John Doe

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2007, 03:46    Post subject: Re: Prepare to get Happy
Subject description: test Puppy Alpha 2.20 on 4 Sept 2007
 

Lobster wrote:
On or about 4th September
- Oz Freedom Day
Barry will be releasing a new test Puppy 2.20 Alpha "Happy"
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy220

Should you try it?


obviously we should try it Smile

looks cool, the seamonkey, xine and gxine updates were unexpected but very welcome.

i like also the:

Quote:
will boot on a PC with 48MB of ram
easy to swap kernels


parts.

will tweak out wake before 9-3 to get the "Correct handling of frugal install in a folder" part going.
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eriefisher

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2007, 07:14    Post subject:  

Sounds great because I just happen to have 48 meg of ram in this old box.
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2007, 07:24    Post subject:  

" I'm Happy "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droopy_Dog

" History

Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer

Droopy first appeared in the MGM cartoon Dumb-Hounded, released by MGM on March 20, 1943 which is considered one of Avery's best works by animation scholars. Droopy's first scene is when he saunters into view, looks at the audience, and declares "hello all you happy people...you know what? I'm the hero."

Chris
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ferikenagy

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Sep 2007, 05:07    Post subject: slackware compatibility, extend puppy modularity proposal  

about slackaware compatibility and puppy size too fat? versus better small...discussion for 2.2 puppy

Before I have heard about Puppy I was a SLAX fan, why? because it was live & modular, and with .mo modules it was easy to customize and experiment different softwares.When I descovered puppy , became my favourite distro, never went back to SLAX.I think is very good that puppy will become Slackware compatible. Even Vector linux returns to gslapt to catch precompiled binaries. So I suppose That new puppy will be very flexible in getting pet/pup and tgz(slackware) binaries, I hope it will include the posibility on mounting .mo (SLAX) sfs files too (by ROX & Boot Manager). For an experimented user is straitforward to get and compile software from source package, sometimes in smaller softwares with few dependencies it works for me too, but I had to admit I prefer to get it in working precompiled binaries, so extending pupy to be slackware binary compatible is wonderful.Even more easy for an newbie is workink with .sfs (puppy) and .mo (SLAX) modules! Is like working with 'bricks' : you copied it and is ready for testing, if it fit your need you keep it, if not you drop it (simply delete it).This is an wonderful philosophy.It worth to be extended.Frugal install on HDD is prefered against normal install for this too.The price for these flexibility (mounting more than 3 sfs modules) is performance /speed & memory, so puppy limit it for 3 modules, and SLAX doesn't limit it (I presume it can mount up to 255 modules...).An compromise solution could be to raise the limit of 3 to say 7-9 sfs modules in BOOT MAnager & issue-ing an warning of performance drop for using more than 3 modules in daily use, encouraging users to use more .sfs & .mo modules only for testing purpose, and after that better pack this extra modules in one custom sfs file for daily use.The idea is to move custom software packages instaled (with compilation from source, or binaries PUP/PET or tgz ) from inside puppy.2fs in an separate custom_only_software.sfs file.In these way puppy.2fs will remain an container for personal work, data ,PC setup information only, and stable personal custom used software will be an separete module like devx.sfs or open office.sfs.These philosophy should encourage users instead of creating different puplet distros , to better make custom.sfs modules that work with base puppy and behave like their distro.It also could be an reasonable solution for discussion about puppy size: is too big 100mbyte or not! Puppy could be split in 2 files (2 stage puppy) :
An basic puppy file with small size that run seamlessly in old hardware in memory, and extended (second) puppy file with all application of standard puppy not fitting in the basic file.
...sorry if I was too long...
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Sep 2007, 15:36    Post subject:  

It wasn't too long, but it does help if you break things up into shorter chunks. Otherwise, when my eyes get to the end of a line and they do a "carriage return", I have trouble finding the correct line to start reading from again.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Sep 2007, 20:01    Post subject:  

Sounds great that 2.20 is coming out. Will be interesting to see what it is like. Sounds like some new thinking and ideas. Thank goodness AU is ahead of on the time line so "Tomorrow" will be here quicker for the rest of us.
Rambling thoughts:
Could of called it "high voltage" since it reminds me of 220 volts. Would be cool to hear Droopy say something like "hello folks" instead of the familiar "bark bark" when it opens the first time. Also "Happy Feet" makes me think of Linux penguins.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 04:49    Post subject:  

"Happy" is just a name - most geeks are happy with numbers eg 2.20 Smile

Anyway the Alpha is out - see first post in this thread

During the 2.20 Alpha boot sequence a message came up:

'fuse init ( API version 7.8 )' this was quite slow taking about 10 seconds. (some part of the decompression?)

later in the boot sequence there was a pause for 60 seconds whilst it tried to load info from tmp/log (might have been bootlog)

I was using "puppy pfix=ram" and I think that is important. This is a rough Pup. Mongrel even - but feisty. Once in, my usual connect to the net sequence took seconds

I was delighted that Seamonkey has a spell checker and an IRC chat client

The 2.20 dev (which includes the c and c++ and freebasic compilers is a secondary download) and will be of interest to many

I am sure another thread will arise for bugs or testing AND for including some new Slackware compiled programs

Be very interesting to see that emerge

Are you ready for high voltage cutting edge Puppy?
Get Happy

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Leon

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 09:14    Post subject:  

As usually I extracted all the files from iso file to /dev/hda5/Bp220a.

This is a booting section from my Menu.lst file for booting Puppy-2.20alpha that fails during the boot process:

# Boot Puppy Linux
title Puppy-2.20alpha, idehd, Bp220a
rootnoverify (hd0,4)
kernel /bp220a/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd psubdir=bp220a
initrd /bp220a/initrd.gz
boot

It starts to boot. During the boot process a message comes up:

aufs init (API version 7.Cool

After about 20 seconds the next message comes up:

Searching for Puppy files in computer disk drives...
/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off

The boot process stops.

This is a booting section from my Menu.lst file for booting Puppy-p2.17.1 that works:

# Boot Puppy Linux
title Puppy-p2.17.1_, idehd, Bp2171_
rootnoverify (hd0,4)
kernel /bp2171_/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd psubdir=bp2171_
initrd /bp2171_/initrd.gz
boot
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 09:41    Post subject:  

I had a similar experience to Leon when trying to boot from a subdirectory.

I went back to just using
Code:
kernel (hd0,2)/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 pfix=ram
initrd (hd0,2)/initrd.gz
This booted OK but failed to load any modules in the zdrv file. There were entries in bootsysinit.log for
loading ipw2200
loading eepro

but lsmod showed that they had not been loaded and I trying to load them manually failed with "not found" I think.

There was no entry in /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE for zdrv, I presume this is the caused of the failed module loading.

After creating a pup_save and rebooting the modules were loaded automatically

On a minor note Atol failed to launch a terminal even though the settings showed rxvt as the program that should be invoked.

Be aware that the routine that searches for a pup_save is now more thorough and asks less questions(than 2.16 at least). It found my only pup_save on another partition and booted using it without asking me. If you have 2 you get a choice.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 11:16    Post subject:  

Loaded "puppy pfix=ram" and os came up. I have an Epia ml6000eag (VIA) motherboard w/512mb ram. The os did not recognize my sound or network eth0 and eth1. Tried to load zd1211rw and wouldn't load. Tried to load ndiswrapper for the windows drivers and would not load. Tried the new ICW pet and it failed also. Exited without saving.

The previous versions 2.14-2.17.1 work without any problems. Also, when I went back to using 2.17.1 it would not network properly and after about 25 minutes of trying different ways to get the network working failed, I had to reload 2.17.1

I liked the new icons and the dual panel filer.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 12:41    Post subject:  

First off, it really does boot slow. Second, it will not recognize either the built-in ethernet or my wireless PC card. I could not manually load the drivers either. The drivers in question are the eepro100 and the orinoco_cs driver. Since I only brought my laptop with me to the dorm, I have no other computer upon which to test. I really wanted to try out the new SeaMonkey. The lack of spell-check was really my main complaint against the old versions.

This problem existed for the orinoco_cs driver in some older versions, and I would fix it by installing it from a DotPup. I hope this is fixed before the final release because I don't want to go back to that.

If I read Barry's blog correctly, 2.20 is reverting to the old kernel. Since that is the kernel for the Puppy versions with which the orinoco driver had this problem before, I wonder if the kernel is to blame. Then again, the eeepro driver never had a problem with the old kernel, so maybe it is something else.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 16:36    Post subject:  

some observations:

- aufs: fuse takes 44 sec. on my ibm R50e
- eepro100 intel network eth0 not dedected (modprobe cant find eepro...)
- on first shutdown psubdir is recognized correctly and pup_save.2fs created there

- bootparam: kernel (hd0,1)/pup220test/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 psubdir=pup220test
this is partially not working: it displays a choice of all my save-files, not only those in /pup220test.

- encrypted save files work for me

All the above is the same with unionfs.
BTW: I copied the files from the iso by hand, no installer used.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 19:32    Post subject:  

SirDuncan wrote:
If I read Barry's blog correctly, 2.20 is reverting to the old kernel. Since that is the kernel for the Puppy versions with which the orinoco driver had this problem before, I wonder if the kernel is to blame. Then again, the eeepro driver never had a problem with the old kernel, so maybe it is something else.

No, the 2.20alpha has the latest, 2.6.21.5 kernel. I have a future plan to *also* release a 2.20 with the older kernel.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2007, 20:00    Post subject: Underawed
Subject description: Puppy 220
 

SirDuncan wrote:
First off, it really does boot slow. Second, it will not recognize either the built-in ethernet or my wireless PC card.


Tried it on my Dell Dimension:

A. Did not detect my network card 2.17.1 did
B. Did not offer a usb printer option 2.17.1 did
C. Did not detect my sound card 2.17.1 did
D. Did not find any legacy sound drivers (did't need to with 2.17.1)
E. Could not use vmware to create appliance as worked with 2.17.1

started with puppy pfix=ram

Slow boot up
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