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Developer for 'Custom' Version?
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I'm interested in this if it is developed.
Yes, and I'll help pay for the development.
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Yes, and I'll be very interested in trying it if you get it done.
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No, this is not what Pupply is about... go download Xandros!
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Ignore that guy.. I'm a developer and I'm interested in doing this project!
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2007, 01:27    Post_subject:  

Names?

"Best_of_Breed" Pup Smile

Actually Pizzasgood is good on names . . .

Good luck Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2007, 10:49    Post_subject: Re: Developer for 'Custom' Version?  

friedsonjm wrote:

Network setup/identification like [or from?] pclinuxos, with particular emphasis on wireless, including proprietary drivers etc. Take a look at the 'Tinyme' version of pclos and you will see what I mean. Also, 'system info on the screen' ram use, cpu use, etc. as that version and others do.


Hello,

The system info applet in TinyMe is called Conky. Puppy already has a package for it:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=228558671&t=16392

If you want to port the drak tools into Puppy, you'd probably be best to go to the original Mandriva sources and work with those, rather than what Tex & Gang have had to tweak for PCLOS.
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2007, 14:17    Post_subject:  

Yep, I've been using Conky since spring. It's a fork of Torsmo, if I remember right.

I can't think of a good name for it until I have a better idea of what the final product will be like (including size, apps, appearance, etc.), but I can give it a shot now:
GroomedPup
Double-'O'-w00f
Gentlepup (like gentleman)
FinePup
Pupmogrified
DoggiePup ("grown-up" puppy?)

Okay, that's all I've got with what I know. If I try to continue I'll just think of stuff like "Perrito-Del-Queso"

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PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2007, 15:37    Post_subject:  

PeacePup. "Fried" (pronounced "freed") is German for "peace." Ergo "Friedson" is "the 'puppy' of Peace." Perhaps a suitable desktop background could be composed, showing a Puppy in a warbonnet or headband, deerskin jacket, dentalium shells, moccassins et cetera, smoking (or better yet, offering out as if to the user) a long fancy calumet.
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2007, 18:11    Post_subject:  

OK, would the two intrepid souls who said they would be willing to contribute please contact me via PM? If you are going to kick in, I would in particular like to invite your thoughts as part of the development process!
thanks,
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Sep 2007, 11:07    Post_subject:  

Is there some reason why the whole community cannot be involved? I'm sure that there are many people that would like to contribute but don't want to do an entire distro and strength is in numbers
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Sep 2007, 19:59    Post_subject:  

I can't speak for friedsonjm, but I'd certainly welcome anyone who wanted to tackle the drivers and improving-cups parts. Those are the two things I'm probably "dreading" the most.

And I'm sure he'll want help testing it when it gets nearer completion. I won't have time to do an especially thorough test, especially not across a broad range of machines (only own three). Near the end I expect it will be late autumn and I'll be prepping for exams and nearly worthless as far as this project goes. Unless it takes longer and spans into winter break, but I don't think so. Especially if anyone else pitches in for some of the points I'm weaker in.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Sep 2007, 23:50    Post_subject:  

cb88 wrote:
Is there some reason why the whole community cannot be involved? I'm sure that there are many people that would like to contribute but don't want to do an entire distro and strength is in numbers


Thanks, cb, we would love to get some help! Right now, pizzasgood is trying to get it ruffed-out enough so we have a basic foundation. Some parts are going to be quite tricky - I don't envy him the job of getting the draktools woven into this!

Another that has me quite concerned is printer installation - somehow, making CUPS and the locating and setup of printers and their drivers has to be made much more friendly and as close to idiot proof as possible. I might be able to get the home network printer to tell me something about itself, but I don't really want to have to create the driver or figure out how to do the install - let me just enter what I can find out into fill-in-the-blocks and let software do the rest!

We also need a very complete package of wireless modem drivers. I'm writing this as we speak from the 3.0 Beta version of Puppy, which is the first version I've been able to use on my laptop with an Intel 3945 wireless setup, and even then only with drivers downloaded from the web [the ones that came with the computer won't load under niswrapper even under 3.0 beta]. That is good, but it would be nicer if the linux driver for this card could be complied and made part of the wireless driver set... there are lots of others out there that may need added as well.

Samba is another area that needs to be brought out from under the aurora of 'black magic' and made intuitively obvious to the casual observer!

I'm not sure what our other needs are yet - some may be graphical, such as icons, or even sound files for some system events. I'd love for folk who have areas of particularly specialty to take one any of the ones I've listed [except draktools, I think pizzasgood is starting that one now].

One point I'd just like to be clear on - pizzasgood has the lead on development, and the areas we get help in, and the extent to which we are able to take advantage of it are completely under his management.

Of course, I'd love to hear from anyone with suggestions on other possible improvements, even if they can't code themselves. I won't promise we will accept any or all of them, but I think I've laid out above in my previous comments what we are trying to accomplish - and there are lots of folk who have used linux in general and puppy in particular a lot more than I, and whose thoughts would be welcome.

In any event, for those of you who have stayed awake through this long post, thanks for reading it, we look forward to your comments!

regards,

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep 2007, 23:37    Post_subject:  

Whoops. I was almost done typing a long reply to put here, when I right-clicked the desktop for something and bumped the "logout" option. Poof. *sigh*

The main things that need working on at this point are what friedsonjm listed. We also need to work out a cohesive media player setup, that can handle audio, video, CD, and DVD. MIDI is optional. I know Mplayer with either Timidity or jack&qctl would cover most of that, but in my experience Mplayer stinks at DVD's. Maybe that has improved, as I remember something about them adding support for menus? Other than those three, the only media player I have experience with is XMMS, which I prefer for audio but doesn't handle video. On the other hand, there's an Mplayer plugin for it, so we could have a nice audio player and have it handle video.

Otherwise, maybe VLC would work?

As far as graphics go, all we've got at the moment is a somewhat crude wallpaper I drew that was originally just going to be a sketch, which I mainly put in because it was better than the stock stuff. SVG is availible. The WM will most likely be IceWM, unless I have issues with the tray apps.

I'm also considering adding a nicer cursor image, if anyone has any suggestions. My favorite so far is yellowdot (same as in Pizzapup 3.x) but that doesn't have a very precise point. And I never really looked for any. Other than maybe three I downloaded, the only cursors I've seen were the ones in the dotpups MU made. So if you know of a good clean and classy one, let us know.

Let's see... friedsonjm also mentioned automounting and improving the firewall interface.

Then there's the WIFI drivers, Cups setup and drivers, improved networking (including Samba) like he said above.

Otherwise, just general suggestions would be fine. Before you say it, we already have OO (2.3), Firefox, Thunderbird, Kompozer, Java, Flash, undeb, unrpm, Skype, Limewire, Conky, and SVG. Antivirus and IceWM are next on my list, followed by Draktools.

If you're interested in one of the bigger ones, PM me and we can sort out details. For smaller ones, just ask here for more info.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2008, 21:14    Post_subject:  

This idea is now a reality. Please see http://www.pcpuppyos.com
Any who would like to contribute to what has been a fairly expensive effort, please contact me!
thanks,
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jan 2008, 00:37    Post_subject:  

Pizzasgood wrote:
The WM will most likely be IceWM, unless I have issues with the tray apps.

I'm also considering adding a nicer cursor image, if anyone has any suggestions.

EZpup has some great cursor options, and a whole swag of new wallpaper. If you guys want something "unique" then I'm happy to help with that, too. I could upload EZpup-4.0 for PG to peruse, then remove the choices he wants as unique to FredBassetpup. Razz

I vote for Mplayer, as it must have improved in 1.0.8 because I have no trouble with DVD's - I watched "Cas_ino Royale" on my laptop from start to finish without even a momentary pause, and I've only got 512Mb RAM.

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