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Xvesa broken in Lighthouse Beta4

#21 Post by tazoc »

dWLkR, 8-bit, Subito Piano,
:oops: Reproduced here too. Thank you for pointing out this problem. Don't use Xvesa with Beta4. I will try to fix this or work around before next release.

If you have chosen Xvesa, press Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace. Then type 'xorgwizard' and select Xorg. If still no luck, reboot with lighthouse CD typing 'ram' at the prompt.

I'm afraid I have no experience with Multisession CD/DVD in Lighthouse nor Puppy. Ditto Vmware, Qemu. Sorry about that.
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#22 Post by willhunt »

It turns out just to be bad hardware thanks for all your help taz
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#23 Post by Tui »

Hi taoc, just to report with my problem with auto det of my enet card/chipset. I retried the other bootup intructions as in the opening
screen but none of these would work for me, so I reverted to the
instructions of previous versions of puppy with this instruction --
on the command line - so be quick to type!

" puyppy vga=785 pfix=ram " yes! this instruction did the trick!

Maybe you need to add this as an extra on your update?

and yes GQVIEW now works !

Cheers

Tui

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Net detection, dhcpcd, PCM volume, Xvesa

#24 Post by tazoc »

Tui,
Thanks for the update, I'm not sure how 'vga=785' would affect the net connection, but, yes 'pfix=ram' starts fresh anew completely in ram, without the pup_save file. Glad it worked for you! :)

As indicated on the bootup screen, just hit an arrow key to pause on it. In Lighthouse, you can simply type 'ram' at the prompt to boot entirely in RAM. For other boot options, type 'lhp <options here>'. In Puppy you need to type 'puppy <options here>' e.g., 'puppy pfix=ram'. (without the ' ' of course.)

Possibly related issue, a friend here has a Dell with a Tulip lan card that sometimes won't remember the net settings on reboot/shutdown. I'm working a fix for that. Has something to do with dhcpcd I think.

Willhunt,
Try adjusting PCM by right-clicking AudioVideo icon | Open Volume Mixer | Click Mixer icon toward right side of taskbar, then move pcm slider on zmixer.

Subito Piano, et al,
I'm working on Xvesa but haven't found a solution yet...
-TazOC
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Xvesa interim fix

#25 Post by tazoc »

dWLkR, 8-bit, Subito Piano,
I think I've solved the Xvesa problem. In fact I'm in Xvesa now composing this reply.
Interim fix:
Edit ~/.xinitrc from command line or Terminal by typing:

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mp /root/.xinitrc
Comment out line starting with 'xrandr -s' and the two lines before it (should be lines # 10, 11, 12) like this:

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#XRANDRINDEX=`expr 0`
#[ -f /etc/xrandrindex ] && XRANDRINDEX="`cat /etc/xrandrindex`"
#xrandr -s "`expr $XRANDRINDEX + 1`" ; usleep 100000 && xrandr -s $XRANDRINDEX
then save the changes to .xinitrc (Ctrl+A | F2 | Ctrl X)
then type:

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rm -f /etc/videomode
Then re-run xorgwizard, choosing Xvesa and the resolution choice dialog should be back!

Straight from LiveCD boot you can also choose Xvesa, then press Ctrl+Alt+R to launch terminal. If you can find the prompt in that 'keyhole window', then type xrandr [Enter]
Then pick a resolution SZ# e.g. 6 or 7 (higher is larger) from the list and type:

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xrandr -s <SZ> [Enter]
Then you should have the real estate use a graphical text editor and edit /root/.xinitrc as above so that things will work better on restarting X.

In addition to improving on this fix, there are a few other issues with Xvesa in Lighthouse (Conky flickers a bit, shadows should be disabled) that I'm working on for the next release.
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Flash Player 9

#26 Post by Subito Piano »

Hi! Checking out Lighthouse some more. I like the XMM System (even if it is almost just eyecandy). Glad you are not dropping it.

I tried to install flashplayer 9 and got the following error. Thought you might like to know for the next beta:

./flashplayer-installer: line 76: [: `)' expected, found 2

ERROR: Your glibc library is older than 2.2.
Please update your glibc library.

sh-3.00#

Actually, can flash player 9 be included in the next release?? Or does it not work in SeaMonkey, and that is why you are working on the Opera and Firefox squash files? My vote would be to include a default browser preconfigured to use Flash...

Anyway, it's a cool work-in-progress! Keep it up.

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Re: Flash Player 9

#27 Post by tazoc »

Subito Piano wrote:Hi! Checking out Lighthouse some more. I like the XMM System (even if it is almost just eyecandy). Glad you are not dropping it.
Thanks :) It's good to know XMMS works for you. Sometimes the MAD MPEG Decoder and CoverViewer Plug-ins act up, but it's still great. I think Audacious is promising, what little time I've spent with it. But for now XMMS is it.
I tried to install flashplayer 9 and got the following error. Thought you might like to know for the next beta:

./flashplayer-installer: line 76: [: `)' expected, found 2

ERROR: Your glibc library is older than 2.2.
Please update your glibc library.
Check SeaMonkey's Help | About Plug-ins. For me, in Lighthouse SeaMonkey Flash 9 works right off without installing anything:
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http://www.lhpup.org/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-31 (Click to enlarge)
Ignore the Shockwave indicator and install prompt. AFAIK, Shockwave requires MS Windows or Macintosh. The Flash indicator below that is what to look for. Hopefully it will indicate the installed version when pointing at 'About' toward the right side. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome
Actually, can flash player 9 be included in the next release?? Or does it not work in SeaMonkey, and that is why you are working on the Opera and Firefox squash files? My vote would be to include a default browser preconfigured to use Flash...

Anyway, it's a cool work-in-progress! Keep it up.
I appreciate that! Well Opera is often requested on the forum, I use FireFox often, so it's natural that they would be in an SFS extension for LighthousePup. Flash is still problematic at quite a few websites, particularly with video, but at least the browsers recognize it and no longer crash for me anyway. Video seems to be working at more sites lately. I've just uploaded a Mariner SFS with FireFox and Opera 9.22 with Flash 9, OpenOffice 2.2 Full, CUPS Printing and more at http://www.lhpup.org/download.htm
(Edit 7/25 Note: This was SFS built for Lighthouse and does not function well in Puppy apart from Lighthouse. See Puppy v2.15CE: www.puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy215Downloads -- bottom of page for SFS files designed for official Puppy.)
Let us know if your SeaMonkey really doesn't have Flash or if I can help further.
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#28 Post by darrelljon »

Do you think you could host a Lighthouse Mariner ISO or are there instructions anywhere on how I could make one?

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#29 Post by Sit Heel Speak »

darrelljon wrote:Do you think you could host a Lighthouse Mariner ISO or are there instructions anywhere on how I could make one?
Perhaps your question stems from the fact that wget doesn't work, it seems to be disabled on tazoc's server. However, if you start Seamonkey and enter the URL

http://lhpup.org/beta/lhp215/lighthouse ... _beta4.iso

you will get a dialog box. Choose "Save it to disk" and specify where to put it, click OK, and Bob's yer uncle.

HTH,
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Lighthouse Mariner ISO

#30 Post by tazoc »

Hi darrelljon,
Good question! I thought about combining Lighthouse Base ISO with the Mariner SFS but since Lighthouse is still Beta, I'd rather keep them separate downloads for the time being. The other concern is bandwidth. The combined ISO would be about 182+252=434 MB and you'd still need to manually copy the Mariner SFS file from the CD-ROM or mounted ISO onto your savefile partition (where the pup_save.2fs is) and reboot.

Lighthouse and I think Puppy include Isomaster, you can use to open the base Lighthouse ISO, add in the Mariner SFS and then save this as your custom Mariner ISO.

Both LighthousePup Beta 4 and Mariner SFS are available at www.lhpup.org/download.htm
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#31 Post by Sit Heel Speak »

Ah. I was confusing Lighthouse with its Mariner add-on.

Same principle holds, just surf to

http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/lhp-mar-02_215.sfs

and save it to disk, then treat it like any other .sfs. That is, if a frugal (co-exist, option 1) install of Puppy with an already-existing pup_save.2fs, then you put the .sfs in /mnt/home, from where it will be recognized at next boot. And if a hard disk install, then you have to mount -o loop it and copy it to / (if you are using a hard disk install then you probably already know how to do that). Errrr, I should admit here, I have not yet tried the auto-sfs-chooser-at-boot-time yet. Perhaps that simplifies things and my instructions are not only obtuse but actually needless :wink: .

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#32 Post by tazoc »

Sit Heel Speak wrote: ...wget doesn't work, it seems to be disabled on tazoc's server. However, if you start Seamonkey and enter the URL

http://lhpup.org/beta/lhp215/lighthouse ... _beta4.iso

you will get a dialog box. Choose "Save it to disk" ...
That's curious, I just tried wget (dnd SeaM to Rox 2.6,) Xwget and BK's Puppy Axel GUI on the file with no problem.

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--09:36:35--  http://www.lhpup.org/beta/lhp215/lighthouse215SeaM_beta4.iso
           => `lighthouse215SeaM_beta4.iso'
Resolving www.lhpup.org... 74.53.208.46
Connecting to www.lhpup.org|74.53.208.46|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 190,515,200 (182M) [application/octet-stream]


 6% [==>                                           ] 12,576,859   338.70K/s    ETA 09:02
Well at least it works with good ol' SeaMonkey for you!
SHS, do you ever get over to the east side? I'm in the Tri-Cities. Maybe we could meet for coffee sometime.
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#33 Post by Sit Heel Speak »

tazoc wrote:That's curious, I just tried wget (dnd SeaM to Rox 2.6,) Xwget and BK's Puppy Axel GUI on the file with no problem...
Hmmm. I had trouble last Friday wget'ting Puppy 2.17 from the ibiblio mirror too. But wget worked flawlessly for getting 2.17 from one of the lesser-known mirrors. Perhaps there is a router in between me and you (and me and ibiblio) that doesn't like wget.

Or maybe it's a case of PEBKAC.

I have a married stepdaughter with kids in Richland, so I tend to avoid the Tri-Cities, but it's inevitable that I drive there every third Christmas or so. No trips planned in the near future, but I guess I'd better soon because both my wife and I have forgotten the grandkids' names. I'll heads-up you when I do.

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#34 Post by djthor »

Please excuse that post being in the wrong place above. I was in a hurry and have not posted here before. Allow me to introduce myself, as I'm new here, names Dale, but you can call me what you wish. I've migrated to puppy after trying close to 30, maybe more live cd distros. Initially mystified by the multi-session option, and that is my chosen way to run this puppy. I've read through a lot, most of the posts, to learn all I could. I would like to thank all the mods and others who have provided helpful information, so I could set all your puppies up uniquely multisession. I enjoy the heck out of these puppies, and have begun passing out copies to friends and relatives, and helping them set it up. I feel like I owe you all something, and would love to help out, however I most likely still need some help myself. But am learning fast. To the creator, Barry, please don't stop, this is totally awesome. The above post should have been here.

Currently using Lighthouse pup multi-session with added mariner sfs and pkg sfs from 215ce, so it's just loaded with beauty and tons of nice progs.

heh, windows refugee
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#35 Post by tazoc »

Welcome, djthor :)
Thank you for the comments and feedback. Barry and his team are doing a great job, indeed. Nice, I like that you're sharing Puppy with friends. Good to hear that you are testing Lighthouse as well. I think you are giving back already. woof woof!

I'm working on Lighthouse215Beta5, news at http://www.lhpup.org as well as an SFS addon that includes K3b http://www.k3b.org, a great CD and DVD burning application, and The GIMP image editor from Nathan Fisher's excellent pgs graphics and desktop publishing suite.
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#36 Post by Sit Heel Speak »

@tazoc: I've now made a full hdd install of lhpbeta4 pus the two .sfs's, and so far, so good. It appears there's a new Puppy master in town. You've put a lot of thought into the menu system; nice structure, nice looks. Admirable work...

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#37 Post by tazoc »

SHS,
:wink: :) That's very kind. Naaa, Sit,Heel,Speak is the master! Taz(OC) just runs after it! love to tweak whatever I'm using and to practice scripting http://www.die.net/doc/linux/abs-guide when I have an idea. I appreciate your feedback and I'm glad your setup is working. The menus in Linux, and in most any system with plenty of apps installed, can be daunting. Ideally one could point and click to choose the layout, ordering of entries, hide unused ones or move groups and change categories at will. But I've tried to make them reasonably balanced and complete without wandering too far from Puppy's menu system. Some of the menu system's best ideas came from rarsa, MU in Muppy, Nathan Fisher, BK and others on this forum.

I'm reluctant to advocate the full HDD install for anyone unfamiliar with the pitfalls one is likely to encounter. (Start | Help | Hints and Tips | Installation "Note: A traditional full hard-disk install is not recommended.")

How did you get the SFS modules to merge? Can you load and unload them? Though the full install is very common with other distros and may have a few advantages, I've found that the frugal install is generally simpler and easier to update and modify with existing tools and methods in Puppy. It's also easier to dual-boot with Puppy 2.17, without repartitioning. If you already have full GRUB installed, see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 160#132160
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#38 Post by Sit Heel Speak »

tazoc wrote:...Sit,Heel,Speak is the master...
Hardly; it is self-evident that you are light-years ahead of me. I'm an old xBase pro from 20 years back. Which means I never did learn html, and still think in for-next terms in an object-oriented bash-and-C world.
tazoc wrote:I'm reluctant to advocate the full HDD install...How did you get the SFS modules to merge? Can you load and unload them?
No. Dougal and Jesse might, but I don't have the scripting know-how to make BootManager work on a full hdd install. I incorporated the sfs's' contents into the / directory tree via the method I describe at http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=20750 and hope I didn't confuse the taffy out of the original poster. I know of no easy way of unmerging the sfs's once merged-in this way.

I'm well aware of the superiority of the frugal install. I'm playing now with full hdd installs as a learning crutch. Jealous of tempestuous's success in compiling a real-time kernel under Puppy, I tried following him but struck out. But I did manage to compile (in Gentoo) the next-best thing, a Con Kolivas staircase-deadline-scheduler ("ck-patched") 2.6.21.5 kernel with all the necessary Puppy patches to work in 2.17. It would probably meet my modest needs. It does archive-unpacks like lightning. It juggles well: I can watch a DVD while downloading an .iso and compiling. For at least 5 minutes. Then it crashes X.

So, I'm using a full hdd Puppy install and diff to deduce, one driver and lib at a time, why this uber-kernel is rock-solid when compiled, installed, and used under a Gentoo full hdd install, but not rock-solid when compiled under Gentoo and installed/used under Puppy.

Leachim, tempestuous, John Doe, and undoubtedly others will have already finished making better puplets than I could make, based on real-time kernels with the new Ingo Molnar scheduler, by the time you read this. Still, curiosity drives...

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#39 Post by tazoc »

SHS,
Ahh Interesting! I know next to nothing about compiling. Never even tried the devx_2nn.sfs module or any kernel work. "Compiling a real-time kernel" sounds very cool though. Maybe someday I'll have to learn about it.

Have you ever tried 'cp -ax' instead of 'cp -R'? MU suggested it in a post a while back. Works well for me, though I can't really explain the difference. cp --help didn't shed much light for me, except that 'cp -a' is the same as 'cp -dpR'.

Sometimes I use Rox-Filer to copy and if I'm sure about over-writing I hold down the Alt+Y keys. I wonder what command that would be equivalent to? Hmm :wink: probably something dangerous!
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symlink from what

#40 Post by melmc »

Great job tazoc! I am glad you have included the sfs files. I view Firefox, Thunderbird and K3b as essentials. The sfs files are working great with Lighthouse but I have a question regarding their use with 2.17. The website says make a symlink to it. My question is from what? My understanding is that a link requires a from and a to. It looks like you have only specified the to. Maybe the from is understood as assumed by those more knowledgeable than me but I am confused.

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