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Rhino


Joined: 04 May 2005
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Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA

PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 15:08    Post subject:  myPup-A web 2.0 based puplet  

myPup is designed to replace the existing Puppy applications with "web 2.0" alternatives, allowing constant access to your files from anywhere. Of course, you can do this with Puppy already with bookmarked links, but this puts them on the menu and makes them easily accessible. This also gives us flexibility to add new applications quite simply and extends the versatility of Puppy without increasing its size.

All of the applications I chose are based on replacing Puppy applications and hopefully provide good support. You can always add applications back in by using Pupget. Although there are several options for a replacement of say gnumeric, I tried to choose just one that worked well, so as not to get a menu totally full. I am certainly open to suggestions for a better selection of applications.

There are similar projects out there based on other distros, but they are either quite large or limited in functionality. I think Puppy may be the perfect platform for this type of project. I kept many of the capabilities of Puppy intact, such as Gxine for music and video, many of the the smaller files tools and utilities for managing your local machine to keep this is a fully functional distro. I did simplify the menu a bit, so if you are looking for a Puppy application or utility it may still be available from the command line.

The iso weighs in at 88Mb (I was hoping for slightly smaller, but my smaller attempts all crashed and burned or I lost significant functionality that I could not repair).

As for the appearance, I kept JWM, but added wbar to reduce desktop clutter. I added a couple of jwm themes and small wallpapers. I also set the tray to hide to give the desktop a very clean appearance.

Bugs:
-Occasionally have to restart X if wbar does not render its faux transparency correctly.
-You have to click on the desktop to get wbar to show up sometimes.
-Printing-can you print with this? I have no way of testing this as I don't have any linux compatible printers. Please let me know.
- can't get divx to stream in Gxine...would we be better to add mplayer instead? My gut is to leave it as it is. You can always d/l the divx file and play it, rather than stream it.
- when streaming large files, you can max out your ram...you need to d/l the file first I think.

Yo can get the iso at http://puppyisos.org/isos/2007-07-to-12/

Rhino

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Rhino


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 23:14    Post subject:  

Just so you know what you are getting, here are some screenshots of myPup including some of the web2.0 applications available.

Default desktop: Featuring JWM with simplified menus, new menu icons (in part), wbar and autohidden jwm-tray. (jwm-vu theme with pizzasgood background)




Documents: Featuring Google Docs & Spread, Google Calendar, Flowchart, Dictionary.net, Medgle, and Wikipedia. (jwm-human theme with suede background)



Chat: Featuring meebo chat, ircatwork,ICQ2Go and Chatzilla embedded in Seamonkey-automatically logs into #puppylinux at freenode.net for instant help. (jwm-black theme with snakeriver background)



Multimedia: Featuring Pandora, Last.fm, gcast-podcast creator, TV Links internet tv and movies. (jwm-vu theme with bliss background)



Games: Featuring online games such as Asteroids, Space Invaders, LineRider, Sudoku and Chess. (default theme and background)



Also included is mail and news featuring GMail and Google News, Maps, and Reader.

Hope you like it and I look forward to your suggestions!

Rhino

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Gekko


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 01:13    Post subject:  

Try using "strip /bin/*" and "strip /usr/bin/*" and "strip /usr/local/bin/*". This should shrink the size quite a lot. You could also consider using UPX to compress the executables.
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MU


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 02:52    Post subject:  

http://puppyisos.org/isos/2007-07-to-12/
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 04:14    Post subject:  

Also, shouldn't you make the Seamonkey windows load without menus and such?
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Firefox

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 06:30    Post subject: New distro  

Why is the Download refused with a marked forbidden error 403? when I attempted to get it with wget -c?. I use a Dial up modem - is it a speed thing?
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 09:27    Post subject:  

Where can I get that seamonky theme?
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Rhino


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 10:01    Post subject:  

Gekko wrote:
Also, shouldn't you make the Seamonkey windows load without menus and such?


That is a really good idea for all of the applications. Of course, the browser would be kept with the menus.

Here is the code I'm using for each web application.

Code:
#!/bin/sh
exec defaultbrowser http://docs.google.com/ "$@"


Do you know how I could modify the code to get the browser to open without menus?

Thanks!

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Rhino


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 10:06    Post subject:  

cb88 wrote:
Where can I get that seamonky theme?


You can get it here

There are many others available on that site and others. Just click on: View...Apply Theme...Get New Themes...then click on Open Directory.

Rhino

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 12:00    Post subject: Re: New distro  

Firefox wrote:
Why is the Download refused with a marked forbidden error 403? when I attempted to get it with wget -c?. I use a Dial up modem - is it a speed thing?


It is not a speed thing - I used DSL and got the same message. I then just clicked on the file to download with Seamonkey (this is not as reliable as wget - but it worked on the second attempt)

Very well done Rhino. It seems familiar to Puppy users with some exciting extra on line programs also available . . .
How big is the iconbar program you used? I remember trying it a year or more ago and thought how pleasant it is to use Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 12:09    Post subject: Re: New distro  

Lobster wrote:
How big is the iconbar program you used? I remember trying it a year or more ago and thought how pleasant it is to use Smile


The icon bar is called wbar and is 410kB for the d/l. You can get it from this thread

I'm anxiously waiting for your suggestions Smile

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MU


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2007, 15:49    Post subject:  

I had to add a check to reduce bandwidth-abuse on puppyfiles.org.
So you need to download using a webbrowser as Lobster did.

Sorry for this inconvenience, but that is still better than overload with account-suspension, where you will be refused to download anything. Rolling Eyes
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tazoc


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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jul 2007, 17:31    Post subject:  

Nice job Rhino! I like the clean layout and creative use of online apps. Wbar looks cool too, got to try that out. I will d/l myPup as soon as I can. Thanks.
-TazOC

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2007, 23:56    Post subject: Rhino and XUL online  

Here are some on line links
http://mashable.com/2007/07/20/online-productivity-god/

The city 'square mile' of London is a hot spot that will spread to the rest of London, other UK cities - and eventually global coverage. I believe Sigapore has a similar system and Washington . . .On line services as a public service rather than a franchise will emerge. At the moment these services are free, then they will start charging . . . and after that they become services . . .

This process will take years.

So what Rhino is doing, show the way to Puppy on PC compatible phones and connected laptops etc.

I believe that a Puppy XUL customisation of Seamonkey
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/
has still not been explored and is another possibility that would turn MyPup into a feature of every Puppy version . . .
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=1621&sid=32b6349f768a6f220b7ca0b977713e94

I enjoyed using this Puplet very much hope it will spark some ideas and possibilities Smile

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Rhino


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Jul 2007, 19:38    Post subject: Re: Rhino and XUL online  

Lobster wrote:
I enjoyed using this Puplet very much hope it will spark some ideas and possibilities Smile


Thanks, I appreciate the response!

Does anyone know how to open mozilla in a windowed mode from the command line?

Instead of:

Code:
# mozstart


is there anything to add to the end such as:

Code:
# mozstart -runina#$%*&#$%window


Thanks!

Rhino

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