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John Doe

Joined: 01 Aug 2005
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Location: Michigan, US

PostPosted: Tue 17 Jul 2007, 23:24    Post subject:  

PaulBx1 wrote:
Woops, John, you broke this last version!

I get to the point where it says "ID2 = IStickIntelligentstick installed successfully", and then it gives
Code:
Invalid opcode at 9BE4 11A2 7206 1317 0544 00B4 04B1 0AB5 D6E8 8DB3 283E 8AA6 0644

...if I copied that correctly. Then it hangs.


odd...

I just remade the image from the floppy I'm using and the md5 is different.

i'll test it.
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jul 2007, 23:32    Post subject:  

ok, it's there.

I tested that one by writting it to another floppy and booting.

I think that other one just got read funny as I'm sure I didn't change anything since that last image.
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PaulBx1

Joined: 16 Jun 2006
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Location: Wyoming, USA

PostPosted: Tue 17 Jul 2007, 23:42    Post subject:  

You lost me. What should I do, download it again? Did you fix it?

Quote:
I get the exact same behaviour with a USB HUB.


Funny, I have a USB hub on the 1.1 port and my flash boots from there just fine.

Obviously something is marginal there. I was wondering how to find what step it is hanging on.

Quote:
that error is from the 2.0 driver finding nothing. the 1.1 driver is the block after that one.


It might be nice for the error message to say it is looking for 2.0 ports, or something like that. To reduce alarm... Wink
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 00:16    Post subject:  

PaulBx1 wrote:
You lost me. What should I do, download it again? Did you fix it?


yes. give that one a shot (44a479b586e48d87cf2974208b62c42b). i think my prior upload was just a bad copy.

PaulBx1 wrote:
Quote:
I get the exact same behaviour with a USB HUB.


Funny, I have a USB hub on the 1.1 port and my flash boots from there just fine.

Obviously something is marginal there. I was wondering how to find what step it is hanging on.


i can probably get some more info with that logerror=7 option to grab the kernel messages right before it hangs.

it's at the end of the custom options now, you could use it on your pcmcia card also.

PaulBx1 wrote:
Quote:
that error is from the 2.0 driver finding nothing. the 1.1 driver is the block after that one.


It might be nice for the error message to say it is looking for 2.0 ports, or something like that. To reduce alarm... Wink


not much control of the driver messages (unless you can read hex really well Smile).

i'm thinking out how to splash a message up there at the beginning. without the user having to click anything to continue.

also noticed the error message needs a bit of tuning and just now it wouldn't wake a frugal install on my second partition (fat32).

i'm testing on a first partition on another machine next.
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 00:25    Post subject:  

John Doe wrote:
...and just now it wouldn't wake a frugal install on my second partition (fat32).

i'm testing on a first partition on another machine next.


...and just now I realized to make sure the marker file was there. all this time it was on my usb and i completely forgot it was NEEDED!!
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Crash


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Location: Garland, TX

PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 00:43    Post subject:  

Most "modern" computers don't have a floppy drive, but they have a CD or DVD reader. Creating a bootable CD using Wakepup2 as the image allows booting of a USB drive on these computers. The original version of Wakepup2 works fine in this instance. Since the new version relies on a temporary file to be written to the floppy, it will fail in such an implementation. For this particular use, I recommend using the original version.

Otherwise, the new version works fine for me. I used it to boot up a 1GB Sandisk cruzer micro on an Athlon XP vintage computer, no problem. I'm making this post using that combination.
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 00:59    Post subject:  

Crash wrote:
Creating a bootable CD using Wakepup2 as the image allows booting of a USB drive on these computers.


Can I ask you real quick where you got this info? You're the second person I've seen say that recently. If it's in the wiki or something maybe it should be replaced.

Although it's a good way to go, it's much faster for you if your computer can boot from CD to just use the puppy CD and enter:

puppy pmedia=usbflash

or (for pre 2.16)

puppy PMEDIA=usbflash

puppy will boot up your USB fast as lightning and you don't have to wait for all the DOS crap. you can also use many different file systems that way.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 01:00    Post subject:  

All the 'modern' PC s that I build have a FDD and always will have one. If you're unlucky enough to be gifted a proprietary box from a cheapskate reseller, for £4.62 + VAT, possible less, you can fit one, as most boards still contain a header.
There are only two maxims: never buy a proprietary box and never buy a laptop. There isn't any good reason for individuals to do either, although if the company wants to buy either for you, then they don't intend you to use a FDD and/or they are a cheapskate company that you might not wish to work for?!

PS. I still have a brand new Dell laptop external FDD, complete with cable, for sale...................
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Crash


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 01:28    Post subject:  

I tried it and it works fine. I occasionally carry around the combination of wakepup2 on a mini-CD and Puppy Linux on a USB stick to demonstrate it.

At the risk of getting too political, I think we still must consider the several million new owners of computers who will not crack open the case to put in a floppy drive. If you have seen any of my past posts, I am certainly not anti-floppy; in fact I have been accused of being too pro-floppy.

Bring back punched paper tape!!! That was REAL computing.

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P.S. (Edited July 20, 2007)

Puppy Linux boot floppy images have been able to run on CD for at least the last year. Wakepup2, Wakepup, and Boot2pup have all been able to run on CD. The reason I use the boot program rather than the Live CD is to get better control of the process and minimize ambiguity when evaluating various boot configurations. There can be no doubt, for instance, that the files are indeed being loaded from the target device (USB stick, etc) rather than from the Live CD itself. Also, the one boot CD version works for all Puppy versions (at least within major version updates). So you don't have to burn a new Live CD every time you update the Puppy version on the USB drive. With the fast transfer speed of a CD, the difference in time between using the Live CD and the Boot CD image is minimal; the majority of the delay is in the Panasonic USB driver execution, which can be several tens of seconds.

If you have trouble with the Panasonic USBASPI.SYS driver, you may get better results with their previous version. The current one is V2.20, but you can replace it with the 2.06 version from the Boot2Pup floppy image if it gives you trouble. The typical symptom of a badly behaved USB driver is a complaint from FreeDOS stating "Bad or missing Command Interpreter." Reverting back to the previous version of the Panasonic USB driver may fix the problem, although the older version is admittedly much slower. Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a universal solution that works for all computers and all USB sticks. By far, notebook computers have been most problematic for me.

If you are really into this stuff, a Google search on "dos usb driver" gives a whole bunch of hits on various solutions. The problem, of course, is that it is a "modern" peripheral implemented on a dying operating system. Any of the references are bound to be several years old, and there doesn't appear to be anything new that has come up lately.

"the Z8000 is better"

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John Doe

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 01:35    Post subject:  

Crash wrote:
Bring back punched paper tape!!! That was REAL computing.


lol, it appears we have a REAL hacker in our midst.
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muggins

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 01:48    Post subject:  

please, nobody bring up cloacal sorting of hollerith cards!
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Sage

Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 07:03    Post subject:  

Quote:
several million new owners of computers who will not crack open the case to put in a floppy drive

That's the problem - several million have been brainwashed to believe they cannot perform this simple task. Fortunately, anyone visiting this Forum, is quite capable of building their own HW .
Paper tape: I won't hear a word against it. Much of my best work was done with paper tape. I could even 'read' short sections. Cards were a retrograde step - lose one and the ship is sunk.
On the other hand, it's a myth that FD s are insecure or unstable. I have kept a reference specimen in a cool wooden dark drawer for twenty years and it still reads perfectly. This is even more amazing because it's a 720 converted to a 1.44 with a hand drill - you know - just like the trade wanted to say it wasn't possible, different coatings were used, and all that other garbage they pushed out at the time.
Some folks even think that cpu s have different architectures within the same series, ie 586, 686 and that clocking is either illegal or inadvisable. One born every minute....
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PaulBx1

Joined: 16 Jun 2006
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Location: Wyoming, USA

PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 08:51    Post subject:  

Er, getting back to the subject at hand...

John, your latest wakepup2 now works for me, on the USB 1.1 port. I turned on all the debug I could find for booting from the pcmcia/USB 2.0 port and it hung at this point:



Does that tell you anything? The config was nothing at all in the 1.1 port and the flash in one of the 2.0 ports. Did yours get stuck there when you used the hub?
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 17:19    Post subject:  

PaulBx1 wrote:
Does that tell you anything?


maybe one of the GURU's can give us a bump. i have no idea.

PaulBx1 wrote:
The config was nothing at all in the 1.1 port and the flash in one of the 2.0 ports. Did yours get stuck there when you used the hub?


mines below.

i did some additional testing with MUT and noticed it seems to be a problem with my SD card reader not a REAL USB Thumbdrive. i can read this PNY Attache' USB Thumbdrive over the HUB but not the SD card reader.

will try to boot over HUB with PNY.
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jul 2007, 18:02    Post subject:  

John Doe wrote:
will try to boot over HUB with PNY.


works over a 2.0 HUB with PNY Attache' USB Thumbdrive.

i'd assume it works over a 1.1 HUB but don't have one around.
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