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Marco_Inge

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2007, 16:22    Post_subject:  

BarryK wrote:
Ah, the Smartlink drive, very good. Could I bother you with one more request, type this in a terminal window:
# lsmod
... do you see any entry fo 'slusb' or 'slamr'?


slamr 434728 2

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... what entry is there for sound? It will be something starting with 'snd_'
(note, just drag mouse over text to highlight, it will automatically be in the clipboard)


snd_intel8x0 34500 0
snd_ac97_codec 97700 1 snd_intel8x0
ac97_bus 2432 1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm 78992 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer 23432 1 snd_pcm
snd 52324 6 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_ codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore 7904 1 snd
snd_page_alloc 10248 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm


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Does sound work on your system? -- you can test, go to /usr/share/audio and click on a sound file.


Yes, Puppy is woofing as usual Smile

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The rason I ask that, is Smartlink can use some ALSA sound drivers for the modem, but in some cases it is known to clash with sound support.

Note, Smartlink has been bought out by Conexant. I hope that doesn't mean the end of the free Smartlink driver support.
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msumner

Joined: 04 Jan 2007
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Location: Lincolnshire, England.

PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2007, 19:09    Post_subject:  

Dougal wrote:
Since you mention this... the latest kernel also hasn't got SOFTWARE_SUSPEND turned on, which would be good for laptop users who want to use the "suspend2" package for suspend/hibernate.


Yes, Barry, please do this as I and several others have been wanting to get suspend and hibernate working for some time. Would this also help with the problem that closing the laptop lid crashes the system? That frequently drives me nuts!
Cheers, Mike
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2007, 21:09    Post_subject:  

kirk wrote:
I've been trying to make gxine look a little sharper with DVD playback. One of the things on the gxine FAQ list is to build the kernel for 1000hz. Noticed puppy's kernel (2.6.18 & 2.6.21) is set to 100hz.

I am being very conservative with the kernel config for now, staying with 100Hz. When we move to pup 2.20 (or 3.00) then will explore some bolder kernel config changes.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2007, 21:18    Post_subject:  

Dougal wrote:
the latest kernel also hasn't got SOFTWARE_SUSPEND turned on, which would be good for laptop users who want to use the "suspend2" package for suspend/hibernate.

Okay. It looks like I'll be sticking with the current packages-base for the immediate future, so I'll do one more kernel recompile before bringing out 2.17alpha. If I turn on SOFTWARE_SUSPEND, is that guaranteed to not cause any problems for PCs that don't want it?
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jimhap

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2007, 01:09    Post_subject:  

Is it the base packages proposed in the 2.17 list, or the 2.16 base packages list?

And are they different? (Just in case you kept it the same)

Weird questions right? Embarassed Just making sure I don't jump upgrade again....

jimhap
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2007, 02:28    Post_subject:  

First report:

SD
Tried out an internal SD reader on my neighbor's laptop. Pmount saw it but gave an error on mount but DID mount ok. MUT didn't see it (didn't check but looked liked the new MUT didn't make it into this dress rehearsal).

Serial Modem
Machine in the kitchen had serial modem autodetected and set up successfully.

WakePup
Didn't even look for it in the image but I'll fine tune some of those menus one last time for wakepup. I just spewed out what I had for the day that last time and drifted off into electronics again.

HFS
Noticed the modules made it into the squash. Dougal had me run something that saw my partition, will have to double check that. I'll try to get some "rough draft code" tested to get it into pmount and mut.

It would be a shame to get so close and leave it out with, having the sound wizard and all other imac stuff supported.

Puppy should be like a "master key". We're almost there.
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msumner

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2007, 02:53    Post_subject:  

BarryK wrote:
If I turn on SOFTWARE_SUSPEND, is that guaranteed to not cause any problems for PCs that don't want it?


I'm not qualified to answer that, but if anyone else is interested, everything you need to know should be at http://www.suspend2.net/
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2007, 04:06    Post_subject:  

jimhap wrote:
Is it the base packages proposed in the 2.17 list, or the 2.16 base packages list?

And are they different? (Just in case you kept it the same)

Weird questions right? Embarassed Just making sure I don't jump upgrade again....

jimhap

2.17 has the same base-packages as 2.16, 2.14, 2.13...
I compiled all the base-packages using T2 and that became v2.10, so that's when the current set of "base-packages" started.
We have changed kernel version a couple of times, and 2.17 is another change of kernel, that's all.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2007, 04:10    Post_subject:  

John Doe wrote:
Tried out an internal SD reader on my neighbor's laptop. Pmount saw it but gave an error on mount but DID mount ok.

I'm very curious, what error did you get, and how did you get it? -- I mean, did you run pmount from a teminal window and get the error on stderr?
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2007, 04:26    Post_subject:  

msumner wrote:
BarryK wrote:
If I turn on SOFTWARE_SUSPEND, is that guaranteed to not cause any problems for PCs that don't want it?


I'm not qualified to answer that, but if anyone else is interested, everything you need to know should be at http://www.suspend2.net/

from brief reading at that site, it seems to need a kernel patch.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2007, 14:59    Post_subject:  

John Doe wrote:
Machine in the kitchen had serial modem autodetected and set up successfully.


Machine in the kitchen? Have you been following the coffee HOWTO?

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2007, 22:14    Post_subject:  

so am I to take the lack of a reply that I'm the only person to have the /ect
problem?

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grndoor

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2007, 01:47    Post_subject:  

I have a Laptop with an internal CD drive which is faulty.

I therefore boot the Puppy Live CD from an external USB Drive which shows up on /dev/sr0.

With the Puppy 2.16/2.16.1 Live CD I have to use the "pmedia=usb" or "pmedia=usbcd" boot parameter to force a boot from the external USB CD Drive.

With the 2.17 Experimental Live CD this method no longer works and the boot process fails with an error message:

"ERROR, cannot find Puppy on 'usbcd' boot media"

Doing a "diff" on the 216 and 217 "init" files includes:

929c944,946
< [ ! "`test-scsi | grep '/scd'`" = "" ] && PMEDIA='satacd'
---
> #[ ! "`test-scsi | grep -E '/scd|/sr'`" = "" ] && PMEDIA='satacd' #v2.17 added sr
> #[ "`grep -E ' scd| sr' /proc/diskstats`" != "" ] && PMEDIA='satacd' #v2.17
> [ "`ls -1 /sys/block | grep -E '^scd|^sr'`" != "" ] && PMEDIA='satacd' #v2.17

Running the above 217 "init" command, "ls -1 /sys/block | grep -E '^scd|^sr'", from the command line left after the failed 217 boot, produces "sr0".

The USB CD Drive is therefore being partially recognised.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2007, 05:51    Post_subject:  

grndoor wrote:
I therefore boot the Puppy Live CD from an external USB Drive which shows up on /dev/sr0.

With the Puppy 2.16/2.16.1 Live CD I have to use the "pmedia=usb" or "pmedia=usbcd" boot parameter to force a boot from the external USB CD Drive.

With the 2.17 Experimental Live CD this method no longer works and the boot process fails with an error message:

"ERROR, cannot find Puppy on 'usbcd' boot media"
......

Running the above 217 "init" command, "ls -1 /sys/block | grep -E '^scd|^sr'", from the command line left after the failed 217 boot, produces "sr0".

The USB CD Drive is therefore being partially recognised.

Okay, I'll study the logic, see if I can find where it's going wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2007, 09:03    Post_subject:  

grndoor,
I looked trough the code, but can't see anything wrong. The code you showed that tests for 'sr' is not quite what you think. At that point in the script, usb-storage module has not yet loaded, and I assume that usb-storage is required before Linux can 'see' the usb dvd drive ...well, that's what I always assumed, as it applies to flash and hard drives.
So, the test at that point in the code only picks up any sata dvd drives.

But anyway, sata or usb, it's the same thing from the code logic point of view.

Well, I think I have to finally go and buy one. I won't buy a usb dvd drive though, as they are expensive, about 130 Au dollars, and after getting it working I will probably never use it again, which is really wasteful.
But, I might get a sata dvd drive -- they have come down, about 50 Au dollars.
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