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snow-ice

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2007, 02:49    Post_subject:  wakepup2 and 166mhz laptop with 48 MB RAM
Sub_title: Error: 'Linld v 0.97 can't open kernel file'
 

I am trying to install puppy on an IBM 166mhz, 48 mb ram. I am using wakepup and tried versions puppy versions 2.14 and 2.16. Everything with wakepup works good until I come to this error. (Linld v 0.97 cant't open kernel file) then the A prompt. This is my first linux attempt and if I can get this to work, I'll dump the MS evil empires software on all 5 computers in the house. I will try ubuntu on the newer boxes but I hope pup can save this old laptop. Thanks All.
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snow-ice

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:20    Post_subject:  

I could not get md5sum to work to check my download. I found another md5 program and did get them checked. All were good. Hope this helps.
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2007, 20:33    Post_subject:  

What kind of install have you made?

Why are you using wakepup?

Your answers will help me to help you.
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snow-ice

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 01:34    Post_subject:  

I downloaded 2.16.1 and 2.14 and burned iso's of both with the program burnCCCD. I checked with md5sum. My laptop will not boot puppy from cd. It will boot unbutu from cd. The HDD and ram will not allow Unbutu to complete loading. Do you know it the error I am getting is from wakepup or puppy? Let me know if I didn't give you the info you need.
Thanks
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 01:53    Post_subject:  

snow-ice wrote:
My aptop will not boot puppy from cd. It will boot unbutu from cd.


Good info.

Check you puppy CD burn.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=17102

If that's not it, it's something with the torro boot sector.

Perhaps unbutu's is better?
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snow-ice

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 02:09    Post_subject:  

The laptop I want to use is quite old. With limited ram and hdd space, puppy will fit good. I am trying to figure out this readcd 2cscan thing, can't find the program yet.
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snow-ice

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 17:14    Post_subject:
Sub_title: more info
 

I can't seem to copy pup_216.sfs to the laptop. I looked for this file to be sure it was on the laptop hdd. I didn't find it so I tried to copy it to the hdd again. It is 70mb in size and I get a device error. I have a hard time with the hdd when the puppy disk in in the drive. I tried another disk, this one with ver 2.14, both did the same thing. I did a fresh windows98 install thinking I had a software problem. Same thing happens. Help !!!
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 21:37    Post_subject:
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snow-ice wrote:
I did a fresh windows98 install thinking I had a software problem. Same thing happens. Help !!!


What do you mean? That it still won't boot from Puppy CD

Did it boot from the Windows 98 CD?

Did you actually install Windows 98 - seems so - is it working right?
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 21:43    Post_subject:  

snow-ice wrote:
The laptop I want to use is quite old. With limited ram and hdd space, puppy will fit good. I am trying to figure out this readcd 2cscan thing, can't find the program yet.


I check my Puppy cd disc md5sums from Linux using this command:

md5sum /dev/hdb


(where /dev/hdb is the cdrom and the disk is inserted)

Probably different than the readcd 2cdscan, but if the md5sum is off, you've nailed a problem.

I don't know how to get an md5sum from the CD in Windows although I'm sure it can be done.
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 21:53    Post_subject:  

Also if you are using read-write medium for booting discs - expect more booting problems than normal, even if the medium was written properly.

Major reason: it doesn't have the reflective qualities as write once medium.

Minor reason: If you computer is old as you say it is the laser could have household film on it (and all throughout the computer).
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GuestToo
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 22:26    Post_subject:  

you can check a cd disc for errors by typing something like:

readcd -c2scan -ts=8k speed=30 dev=/dev/hdc

assuming your cd drive is /dev/hdc

for the 2.4 kernel, you would need to use scsi emulation or this:

dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc

this program for Windows can check the md5sum of a cd disc: http://www.dubaron.com/cd2iso/

cdrecord and readcd are available for Windows too
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 22:32    Post_subject:  

g2,

I just tried it and it works great.

I included the "$@" from the original post, but can't imagine what to put in for an argument??

thanks again - love those cool utilities

Bruce
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007, 22:41    Post_subject:  

GuestToo,

I noticed your original post had -ts=32k

Your current example has -ts=8k plus a speed argument

Anything worth explaining about these differences?

Bruce
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snow-ice

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 02:46    Post_subject:  

I downloaded and ran cd2iso. I got a checksum number but what do I compare it to? Let me backup and tell how I got where I am, maybe I am on the wrong course. I downloaded puppy from the links on the puppy site. I went to 2 different sites and have 2 downloads. I checked the iso files with a program MD5 GUI, they were good. I burned ver 2.14 and 2.16.1 with burncdcc. I have 1 question which may be important. The program I used gave me 8 files on the cdrom. Is this correct or do I need only the ISO file on cdrom? I tried to boot to the cd in my old laptop. I got a bios message wanting a floppy disk. The bios was set to boot the cd first but I don't think it saw anything in the drive. I got wake2pup and put it on a floppy. I dropped the marker file on the hdd and rebooted. I got a "Linld v 0.97 cant't open kernel file" error. I realised that I needed other files on the hdd per the failmsg file. I tried to drop the files to the hdd and got all on except pup216.sfs. I tried to copt pup216.sfs to a my 2 year old Dell laptop and it couldn't complete the copy either. I got different error messages but neither would complete the copy. Do I understand it right that I need idehd, initrd.gz,pup_216.sfs, and vmlinuz on the hdd to boot?
I did a install of win98 on the old laptop and it went fine. If I put a copy of unbutu in the drive, it tries to load. The computer is nowhere close to being able to run unbutu, but I wanted to help identify my problem. If I format the drive, is their a way to install puppy on a formatted hard drive? This laptop seems to need some kind of CD support to read the CD, either wake2pup or windows boot disk. Sorry for being so long winded but this is my first linux attempt. Thanks again.
Greg
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muggins

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 21:07    Post_subject:  

i think you'll find that your 48M ram is the main problem. what's size of hdisk & what's currently on it? is there room to create a swap partition on hard disk?

sometimes smart boot manger can helpin booting cdroms:

http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto

but i'm dubious that it would work with your 48M ram. there was a post where somebody detailed their method in getting puppy to work with 48M ram, but i've been unable to find it.

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