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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2007, 06:49    Post subject:  

ohyes wrote:
The only other I can think of for now is minor..noticed the desktop 'lock' Icon has gone since Ezpup upgrade, is their a way to make it an optional comeback

Yep. It's not deleted, just not on the desktop. You can get it back by navigating to /usr/local/apps and dragging it back to the desktop.

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2007, 09:45    Post subject:    

WhoDo

Worked a treat thankyou. !
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2007, 22:21    Post subject:  

Ok.." houston we have a problem" Smile

I dragged the screen lock icon back to the desktop no problem but when I rebooted I saw a messge saying that the "pinboard has been updated to XML" or such like and I ended up with a grey background with no Icons.

The taskbar remained/menus remained.
Now Ive reinstated my background image but still missing Icons..is there any way to get the Icons back ?

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2007, 23:44    Post subject:  

Ok I got my Icons back...I took a risk and simply reinstalled Ezpup over the top of the existing.

Wont try moving the screen lock back to the desktop for a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 02:52    Post subject:  

ohyes wrote:
I dragged the screen lock icon back to the desktop no problem but when I rebooted I saw a messge saying that the "pinboard has been updated to XML" or such like and I ended up with a grey background with no Icons.

Ok, before you try this one again, make a copy of your PuppyPin file in /root/Choices/ROX-filer. Call it PuppyPin-alt for example. Then if it crashes again, just copy your backup to PuppyPin and restart X from the menu under Window Manager.

I have no idea why that would happen. I tried to duplicate it on my system without success. I dragged the Xlock to the desktop, rebooted and when it came back up I couldn't see the Xlock icon. I looked in PuppyPin and it was there, but hidden right behind the Help question mark icon. I moved that icon and Xlock became visible. No errors to speak of. Let me know how you go, when you give it another attempt.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 03:33    Post subject:  

WhoDo

More info on how it happened...last night I shutdown Puppy for the night now today when I first booted I couldnt see the Xlock Icon so I again dragged it to the desktop and then rebooted to see if this time I could see it. Perhaps this action was somehow what caused the PuppyPin file to reset and become empty.

Most probably the Xlock Icon was hiding behind the help Icon when I first rebooted as you have found.

At the moment Ive dragged it back to desktop and after rebooting found it also hiding behind the help Icon.

Question what is making the Xlock Icon goto the same position on the desktop as the help Icon at every boot..

I like these problems..as they are not major, yet they help me learn more about puppy Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 04:56    Post subject:  

ohyes wrote:
Question what is making the Xlock Icon goto the same position on the desktop as the help Icon at every boot...

Somewhere in the desktop configuration, Barry has set default positions for standard desktop icons. I've hunted around and I can't find where that is. I know I can view the exact positions after they are passed to the PuppyPin file, but where those positions are sourced from in Puppy is still a mystery for me.

I haven't tried it, but it might be worth making a backup PuppyPin file and then altering the X and Y location parameters to see if those are honored at the next boot or replaced by the defaults.

Hope that helps

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 07:54    Post subject:  

fixPuppyPin is run from /root/.xinitrc
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 08:58    Post subject:  

GuestToo wrote:
fixPuppyPin is run from /root/.xinitrc

True, but where does it get the physical coordinates for Xlock? I can see that fixPuppyPin calculates a screen position based on videomode, but to my untrained eye the script seems to start with Xlock as a fixed reference point. Confused
Code:
#find out current right side in PuppyPin...
 RIGHTX="`cat $PUPPYPIN | grep "Xlock" | cut -f 2 -d '"'`"
What if that Xlock reference point is not there in the current /tmp/PuppyPin or /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin? And how does it then calculate the relative positions of all those other icons from that one point of reference?

This appears to be the key to understanding why icons placed for 2.15CE sometimes "mysteriously" realign themselves on the right screen margin, or why some icons overlay others in the occasional EZpup installation. If I can understand the mechanics here then I might be able to prevent that in future versions of EZpup.

All help appreciated.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 09:03    Post subject:  

hey whodo could you put conky or torsmo in the next EZpup with a configuration gui maybe set to the defaults from meanpup I miss haveing my stats displayed on my desktop. the freemem applet doesn't always work correctly anyway (in my case) I wonder if conky works in beryl? I don't know how to make conky transparent either.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 09:10    Post subject:  

cb88 wrote:
hey whodo could you put conky or torsmo in the next EZpup with a configuration gui maybe set to the defaults from meanpup I miss haveing my stats displayed on my desktop. the freemem applet doesn't always work correctly anyway (in my case) I wonder if conky works in beryl? I don't know how to make conky transparent either.

torsmo would be easy to include but not so easy for novices to turn off. I'll have a look at conky to see what's involved.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 10:33    Post subject:  

WhoDo

I made a back up and also proceeded to first move the help Icon.
Then I rebooted. All's well Help Icon stayed where I put it.

I then moved the Xlock Icon over to the left side. Rebooted
Suddenly all left side Icons were now on right side.

So I moved Xlock over to lower right side this time and again rebooted. This time all is well and that's where I want it so thats where it will stay !

I realised that for at least the first time that Xlock was put back on the desktop and rebooted it tried to go back to where it used to be as you eluded to.

Im still a happy chappy, just upgraded my ancient Laptop to 2.16.1 and its running Ezpup of course Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 14:22    Post subject:  

leave conky/torsmo off by default and add a simple gui like for icewm or maybe add an option to turn it on or off in the icewm manager itself although that option might be a little obscure or possibly over reach the capabilities of the icewm config gui.

thanks for giving it a look cb88
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007, 22:36    Post subject:  

i don't think there is an easy way to deal with desktop icons ... the icons were intended to be dragged to a convenient place on the desktop ... automatic placement of the icons would not be easy, it would be necessary to write software that reads the PuppyPin xml file, makes sense out of the text, figures out the desktop resolution, checks the coordinates of each icon and changes them if necessary, then writes back the configuration changes to the PuppyPin file, if necessary

personally, i backup my PuppyPin file so i can easily restore it, and i also can use alternate desktops, like this:

gxmessage -timeout 30 -center -buttons "_1,_2,_3,_4,Cancel" -default Cancel -bg lightgreen " Choose a desktop"

case $? in
101) exec rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin ;;
102) exec rox -p 2 ;;
103) exec rox -p 3 ;;
104) exec rox -p 4 ;;
esac
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2007, 21:30    Post subject:  

I believe releasing EZpup quartely as a 100% .pet enhancement makes it far more maintainable, flexible and useful then an ISO release based around a particular Puppy version.

EZpup plus optional sfs would make some sense?
A flexible sfs downloader of sfs in Ezpup?

With the OO sfs download, it would have the power of PuppyProEZ
The developers sfs would make it DevPupEZ and so on . . .

Many of the background images are huge (600k where Puppy would use 60k)

Perhaps EzPup could come with small backgrounds with an option to download different collections?

Just some ideas Smile

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