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#21 Post by LOF »

I agree somewhat. I think, like many more specialist software markets, the open source community will find it very hjard to put a serious contender into the picture. I don't know much about cinelerra, or kino for that matter, so can't really pass to much judgement. What do others think on the matter?
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#22 Post by cb88 »

KJV is not that archaic anyways most versions of the KJV update obsolete words placeing the word in brackets or placing the original word in italics below the verse. if you notice most of the meaning in the KJV is in the arngment of the word if a modern staic grammar were used the size of the bible would need to be much larger but since the language of the KJV is already static and readily learnable (studies show the average fifth grader could write a book report on the bible hence demonstrating that they understand the language) why change? there is no good reason other than money selling more new "bibles" useing M$ like strategies ie "get the latest and greatest translation with enhanced assurity of salvation".

video editor thats cool
puppy doesn't detect my fujifilm s700 digital camera I can swapout the sd card though. are there any programs that enhance usb camera detection?

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#23 Post by Nathan F »

As far as I know all the support for digital camera connection under Linux comes from the libgphoto2 project. To see if your camera is supported see the list of supported cameras. As you mentioned though it is just as easy, and actually usually easier, to use a card reader.

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#24 Post by afgs »

Just wondering what it would look like. . .
(the top 2 image of course, let others develop the other) :lol:

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#25 Post by cycle_mycle »

Nathan F wrote:In fact I've already compiled some packages for Puppy that you may be interested in.

sword-1.5.9 is the framework upon which most bible study programs are built on.

clucene-core-0.9.16a is a text search tool used by at least two of the frontends to sword that I know of.

bibletime-1.6.4 is the KDE frontend to sword.


I'll provide some packages for what I have if you're interested.

Nathan
I'd like these package if possible, I've been already surfin' around to see about getting them on an install, I was under the impression that libcurl_gnutils, and a plethora of other packages including kdelibs are needed, but if you've already got them ready.... I will humbly accept them...

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#26 Post by Nathan F »

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I've placed what I have on the grafpup.org server. Downloads should be reasonably fast.

For Jsword you will need, obviously, java to be installed and in your PATH, ie the os must know where the java executables are located. For Bible Time you do need to install kdelibs. I have them compiled as well, originally done for Grafpup but it can all be made to run in Puppy as well. They in turn depend on arts, qt, and I think you mau have to install a couple other packages like gamin as well. All of that can be found at grafpup.org.

Now the tricky part is getting your system to recognize everything once it is installed, because I did not put kde into /usr or /usr/bin, but rather it is in /opt/kde. I've attached a modified /etc/profile which you can decompress into /etc, and then after reboot it will recognize the library and executable paths, as well as other things like the kde xdg directories.

I also have started distributing a java package which is also available on the same server. If you use that java package then it will be recognized by the same /etc/profile which I posted. In addition there is a java squashfile in the modules directory at grafpup.org, which you can just rename to match the version number of your puppy (currently it is jre_004.sfs).

If you install Bible Time I recommend you start it from a terminal with either "bibletime" or "/opt/kde/bin/bibletime" the first few times soyou can see if it has all it's dependencies. I've noticed a few pretty major problems with it anyway though, in particular the search feature crashes the program every time. More specifically it will crash trying to create the search index. There may of course be a workaround but I haven't discovered it yet. Honestly I think Jsword is probably the better of the two programs, though.

You will also need to install any bibles you want in order for them to be available. Most of them I can't legally package or redistribute, but I did put the zip file for the kjv in with the sword packages. To install a module just extract it to /usr/share/sword.

If you need any help just ask and I'll try to get you going.

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#27 Post by jcagle »

cb88 wrote:KJV is not that archaic anyways most versions of the KJV update obsolete words placeing the word in brackets or placing the original word in italics below the verse. if you notice most of the meaning in the KJV is in the arngment of the word if a modern staic grammar were used the size of the bible would need to be much larger but since the language of the KJV is already static and readily learnable (studies show the average fifth grader could write a book report on the bible hence demonstrating that they understand the language) why change? there is no good reason other than money selling more new "bibles" useing M$ like strategies ie "get the latest and greatest translation with enhanced assurity of salvation".

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puppy doesn't detect my fujifilm s700 digital camera I can swapout the sd card though. are there any programs that enhance usb camera detection?
Well, it's obvious that you're KJV only... Can't say I agree with the KJV only stance, but that's ok. But regardless, some people find it good to have other translations and compare, including KJV-onlyists. It might be your belief that KJV is the only english translation anyone should use, but not all Christians hold that view (I like the Amplified myself, but wouldn't read that on a regular basis, haha). I imagine ChurchPup is probably intended for use by more than KJV-onlyists.

Interesting thing is, King James himself said that it's good to have other English translations as well. And today, the KJV-onlyists say that the King James Bible is the only English translation that should be used. So why didn't King James agree?

Anyway, I'm all for other translations being put into ChurchPup, and if anyone has a problem with certain translations, you don't have to read them, or you can read them to see if there's any issues with them. Even better yet, could we get a Strong's Concordance to go in this? Is there one available for Linux?

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#28 Post by Nathan F »

could we get a Strong's Concordance to go in this? Is there one available for Linux?
If you're using one of the Sword based programs then any Sword module will work on any platform. Meaning if you can find a Sword compliant concordance, then it will work in Linux.

In my studies I've come to suspect that the translations are always influenced greatl;y by the prevailing attitudes and dogma of the time, kjv included. However, I personally think that when they translated kjv they took a few less liberties with the wording. But Joey is right, really, it is just good that we have many translations. The world was a very dark place when the clergy were the only ones with access to the scriptures.

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#29 Post by jcagle »

Nathan F wrote:
could we get a Strong's Concordance to go in this? Is there one available for Linux?
If you're using one of the Sword based programs then any Sword module will work on any platform. Meaning if you can find a Sword compliant concordance, then it will work in Linux.

In my studies I've come to suspect that the translations are always influenced greatl;y by the prevailing attitudes and dogma of the time, kjv included. However, I personally think that when they translated kjv they took a few less liberties with the wording. But Joey is right, really, it is just good that we have many translations. The world was a very dark place when the clergy were the only ones with access to the scriptures.

Nathan
OK. I haven't used any of those bible programs myself, so I don't know what features they already have. I've been so used to the actual books rather than the software.

I use biblegateway.com and biblebrowser.com a bit, though biblebrowser.com doesn't seem to work well in Opera. I haven't tried it in Firefox for Linux. It worked well on Firefox for Windows.

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#30 Post by jcagle »

Well Biblebrowser.com appeas to work well in this version of Opera. In the previous Opera I had, it didn't work well. But neither did joeycagle.net.

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#32 Post by LOF »

Right. Sorry haven't been around in the last couple of days.

Thanks again to everyone that is giving their input. It's really appreciated!

I'm having a bit of technical trouble on the PC I run Puppy on so the activity on this project may be random. I intend to put a preliminary (Alpha) release out within a month or so, but as always this may change suddenly.

My current attention is now on presentation software, I can't find anything for the Linux community that is better than OpenOffice Impress. Anybody know more?

As to the KJV Translation discussion. This project will be open to all Christians (and non-Christians) so a variety of bible translations will be included (assuming Sword is the end software in some way). Everyone has their own opinion, everyone should have a choice.
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#33 Post by cycle_mycle »

Nathan F wrote:I've noticed a few pretty major problems with it anyway though, in particular the search feature crashes the program every time.
Nathan
I've downloaded the files, and I'll see what I can do. Thank you very much.

I wanted to comment on the problem you have noticed, the reason why I was surprised that you had packages was because bibletime needs curl libs, and gnutils3 libs in every other install I've ever done. I am under the impression (and I could be wrong) that these are needed for the search functions. Since I am not a developer, I am a missionary in a third world country, I can't offer a lot of help, but I'll try. I have lots of experience installing from source and there's always some little problem to over come.

One more question; Wouldn't grafpup be a better base for this project? it seems to me it would.

As far as presentations software goes it's possible to use OOo without installing the whole thing, so if Writer and Impress were the only ones available that wouldn't be so bad, I think maybe since the core and various other files will need to be there it might just as well be that calc could also go in and the other options like Abiword, and the like, and such be left out.


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P.S. Any sword based module will be Christian. Even the Diaglott and the Joseph Smith Translation are listed under "Cult/Unorthodox/Questionable"

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#34 Post by cb88 »

me a KJV onlyist? not quite since obviously the bible wasn't written in English and yes I believe the KJV has flaws I know Portuguese and I believe it is the almeida translation that has a few things stated more clearly but it still does not conflict with the KJV translation. I would seriously reconsider distributing NIV since it clearly alters God's word and was translated by admitted homosexuals. how are they supposed to be guided by God in the translation of the word if they are in sin and God hears not the prayer of a sinner? the KJV is the standard and fairly accurate translation in my opinion it is best to avoid possibly being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life by distributing a tainted bible(just read the last verses of revelations go back to the original text if necessary). In response to this being for a broad audience well they can download other bibles on their own keep me out of it.

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cb88 wrote:me a KJV onlyist? not quite since obviously the bible wasn't written in English and yes I believe the KJV has flaws I know Portuguese and I believe it is the almeida translation that has a few things stated more clearly but it still does not conflict with the KJV translation. I would seriously reconsider distributing NIV since it clearly alters God's word and was translated by admitted homosexuals. how are they supposed to be guided by God in the translation of the word if they are in sin and God hears not the prayer of a sinner? the KJV is the standard and fairly accurate translation in my opinion it is best to avoid possibly being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life by distributing a tainted bible(just read the last verses of revelations go back to the original text if necessary). In response to this being for a broad audience well they can download other bibles on their own keep me out of it.
I'm not worried about being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life. I know Jesus died for me, and I trust that his blood covers every one of my sins. Even if I'm wrong in an area that I'm not aware, God's love for me is more than I can comprehend. God has given me grace and his mercy endures forever. God will make it right. And I don't know if you believe in eternal security or if you believe it's possible to loose salvation. If you believe in eternal security though, don't worry about me being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life. And if you believe i can loose my salvation, well, just pray for me and others who read other translations.

NIV is not the only translation I use. I look at a number of different translations, including KJV. Actually, I don't read the NIV all that much anymore, I guess because I got a Holman Christian Standard Bible for Christmas.

You seem very KJV-onlyist in your stance. What other English translations do you consider to be good translations, if you're not KJV-only?

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#36 Post by LOF »

No offence meant but you guys are taking this off topic. Can this thread stay about ChurchPup and not about the KJV? Feel free to go over to the off topic forum to continue this debate.

Presentation software anyone? Otherwise Open Office will just be a highly recommended sfs.
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#37 Post by richard.a »

For what it's worth, I can provide you with the bible in three translations in ASCII text-file format, as provided with the ChristianCommand add-on to mIRC chat client (Version 5.51 I think) for Windows.

A colleague of mine (in western USA) built a stand-alone channel-minding BibleBot from this and I've added considerable scripting. Let me know if you are interested, the translations are KJV, NASB and NIV (the last which there may be a copyright problem).

I have tried approaching the Lockman Foundation and whoever the other joint copyright holder of the Amplified Bible are, but both referred me to the other partner over availability of text in digital form, and release permission to compile it into the BibleBot aforementioned. So that project stalled - perhaps 3 years ago.

I would agree about many of the modern translations being gender unaware, etc, and warn those involved to not consider the New Annotated Oxford Bible 3rd Edition, and its associated NRSV 3rd Edition, because of its being supportive of the platform of the Metropolitan Community Churches. I'll not discuss that point any further, though, because in some circles it is a very hot potato.

There are also eggdrop bot scripts available for bible verse posting, and which have searchable databases of Greek and various other languages, Strongs, etc., as well as quite a proliferation of English translations. Eggdrops are IRC bots that run on unix shells, so there may be compatibility there. I know two developers of this concept, but not particularly well. One is the owner of www.draaw.net (Bill) and the other is the owner of irc.chatster.org (known as ^duck^) - and she can also be found at http://believers-ministries.org.

You may have some success with getting code and/or scripts from one, or the other, or both.

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#38 Post by jcagle »

LOF wrote:No offence meant but you guys are taking this off topic. Can this thread stay about ChurchPup and not about the KJV? Feel free to go over to the off topic forum to continue this debate.

Presentation software anyone? Otherwise Open Office will just be a highly recommended sfs.
You're right. It is getting off topic, and I'm sorry about that.

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jcagle wrote:Interesting thing is, King James himself said that it's good to have other English translations as well. And today, the KJV-onlyists say that the King James Bible is the only English translation that should be used. So why didn't King James agree?
Actually King James VI of Scotland, aka King James I of England, wasn't involved in the translating at all. His role was purely as a facilitator of the project, having been politically motivated to keep the peace in this divided kingdom he had been offered the crown of the larger portion. He was en route from Scotland to take up residence in London when he was intercepted by good meaning folk. The Hampton Court conference resulted from political motivation to keep the peace.

Regarding the content of the 1611 translation, more correctly called the "Authorised Version", slightly over 80% of it was word-for-word identical with the 1535 Coverdale translation.

We should remember that the period after the Reformation got under way saw many executions of good God-fearing folk who wanted to shake off the controlling influence at that time, which prevented reading the Bible in one's native tongue, and understanding it.

However, I don't think there's any need to explore this side thread further, and agree that it has headed off-topic.

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