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amish

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2007, 13:52    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2007, 14:16    Post subject:  

Right. Sorry haven't been around in the last couple of days.

Thanks again to everyone that is giving their input. It's really appreciated!

I'm having a bit of technical trouble on the PC I run Puppy on so the activity on this project may be random. I intend to put a preliminary (Alpha) release out within a month or so, but as always this may change suddenly.

My current attention is now on presentation software, I can't find anything for the Linux community that is better than OpenOffice Impress. Anybody know more?

As to the KJV Translation discussion. This project will be open to all Christians (and non-Christians) so a variety of bible translations will be included (assuming Sword is the end software in some way). Everyone has their own opinion, everyone should have a choice.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 May 2007, 07:25    Post subject:  

Nathan F wrote:
I've noticed a few pretty major problems with it anyway though, in particular the search feature crashes the program every time.
Nathan


I've downloaded the files, and I'll see what I can do. Thank you very much.

I wanted to comment on the problem you have noticed, the reason why I was surprised that you had packages was because bibletime needs curl libs, and gnutils3 libs in every other install I've ever done. I am under the impression (and I could be wrong) that these are needed for the search functions. Since I am not a developer, I am a missionary in a third world country, I can't offer a lot of help, but I'll try. I have lots of experience installing from source and there's always some little problem to over come.

One more question; Wouldn't grafpup be a better base for this project? it seems to me it would.

As far as presentations software goes it's possible to use OOo without installing the whole thing, so if Writer and Impress were the only ones available that wouldn't be so bad, I think maybe since the core and various other files will need to be there it might just as well be that calc could also go in and the other options like Abiword, and the like, and such be left out.


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P.S. Any sword based module will be Christian. Even the Diaglott and the Joseph Smith Translation are listed under "Cult/Unorthodox/Questionable"
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PostPosted: Fri 25 May 2007, 11:45    Post subject:  

me a KJV onlyist? not quite since obviously the bible wasn't written in English and yes I believe the KJV has flaws I know Portuguese and I believe it is the almeida translation that has a few things stated more clearly but it still does not conflict with the KJV translation. I would seriously reconsider distributing NIV since it clearly alters God's word and was translated by admitted homosexuals. how are they supposed to be guided by God in the translation of the word if they are in sin and God hears not the prayer of a sinner? the KJV is the standard and fairly accurate translation in my opinion it is best to avoid possibly being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life by distributing a tainted bible(just read the last verses of revelations go back to the original text if necessary). In response to this being for a broad audience well they can download other bibles on their own keep me out of it.
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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2007, 00:14    Post subject:  

cb88 wrote:
me a KJV onlyist? not quite since obviously the bible wasn't written in English and yes I believe the KJV has flaws I know Portuguese and I believe it is the almeida translation that has a few things stated more clearly but it still does not conflict with the KJV translation. I would seriously reconsider distributing NIV since it clearly alters God's word and was translated by admitted homosexuals. how are they supposed to be guided by God in the translation of the word if they are in sin and God hears not the prayer of a sinner? the KJV is the standard and fairly accurate translation in my opinion it is best to avoid possibly being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life by distributing a tainted bible(just read the last verses of revelations go back to the original text if necessary). In response to this being for a broad audience well they can download other bibles on their own keep me out of it.


I'm not worried about being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life. I know Jesus died for me, and I trust that his blood covers every one of my sins. Even if I'm wrong in an area that I'm not aware, God's love for me is more than I can comprehend. God has given me grace and his mercy endures forever. God will make it right. And I don't know if you believe in eternal security or if you believe it's possible to loose salvation. If you believe in eternal security though, don't worry about me being blotted out of the Lamb's book of life. And if you believe i can loose my salvation, well, just pray for me and others who read other translations.

NIV is not the only translation I use. I look at a number of different translations, including KJV. Actually, I don't read the NIV all that much anymore, I guess because I got a Holman Christian Standard Bible for Christmas.

You seem very KJV-onlyist in your stance. What other English translations do you consider to be good translations, if you're not KJV-only?
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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2007, 10:02    Post subject:  

No offence meant but you guys are taking this off topic. Can this thread stay about ChurchPup and not about the KJV? Feel free to go over to the off topic forum to continue this debate.

Presentation software anyone? Otherwise Open Office will just be a highly recommended sfs.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2007, 01:37    Post subject:  

For what it's worth, I can provide you with the bible in three translations in ASCII text-file format, as provided with the ChristianCommand add-on to mIRC chat client (Version 5.51 I think) for Windows.

A colleague of mine (in western USA) built a stand-alone channel-minding BibleBot from this and I've added considerable scripting. Let me know if you are interested, the translations are KJV, NASB and NIV (the last which there may be a copyright problem).

I have tried approaching the Lockman Foundation and whoever the other joint copyright holder of the Amplified Bible are, but both referred me to the other partner over availability of text in digital form, and release permission to compile it into the BibleBot aforementioned. So that project stalled - perhaps 3 years ago.

I would agree about many of the modern translations being gender unaware, etc, and warn those involved to not consider the New Annotated Oxford Bible 3rd Edition, and its associated NRSV 3rd Edition, because of its being supportive of the platform of the Metropolitan Community Churches. I'll not discuss that point any further, though, because in some circles it is a very hot potato.

There are also eggdrop bot scripts available for bible verse posting, and which have searchable databases of Greek and various other languages, Strongs, etc., as well as quite a proliferation of English translations. Eggdrops are IRC bots that run on unix shells, so there may be compatibility there. I know two developers of this concept, but not particularly well. One is the owner of www.draaw.net (Bill) and the other is the owner of irc.chatster.org (known as ^duck^) - and she can also be found at http://believers-ministries.org.

You may have some success with getting code and/or scripts from one, or the other, or both.

Richard in Adelaide

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2007, 01:49    Post subject:  

LOF wrote:
No offence meant but you guys are taking this off topic. Can this thread stay about ChurchPup and not about the KJV? Feel free to go over to the off topic forum to continue this debate.

Presentation software anyone? Otherwise Open Office will just be a highly recommended sfs.


You're right. It is getting off topic, and I'm sorry about that.
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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2007, 02:07    Post subject:  

jcagle wrote:
Interesting thing is, King James himself said that it's good to have other English translations as well. And today, the KJV-onlyists say that the King James Bible is the only English translation that should be used. So why didn't King James agree?

Actually King James VI of Scotland, aka King James I of England, wasn't involved in the translating at all. His role was purely as a facilitator of the project, having been politically motivated to keep the peace in this divided kingdom he had been offered the crown of the larger portion. He was en route from Scotland to take up residence in London when he was intercepted by good meaning folk. The Hampton Court conference resulted from political motivation to keep the peace.

Regarding the content of the 1611 translation, more correctly called the "Authorised Version", slightly over 80% of it was word-for-word identical with the 1535 Coverdale translation.

We should remember that the period after the Reformation got under way saw many executions of good God-fearing folk who wanted to shake off the controlling influence at that time, which prevented reading the Bible in one's native tongue, and understanding it.

However, I don't think there's any need to explore this side thread further, and agree that it has headed off-topic.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2007, 05:50    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2007, 07:21    Post subject:  

that is rather nice, afgs.

May I make a suggestion for the forum? Could you post it here as a 640x480 sized image for the thread? That would save having to keep scrolling sideways. I have made one you can use if you like, and posted it here and saved the original as 01.jpg in the same directory

It occurs to me that this thread's timing is quite opportune.

Some weeks ago I was pointed by an on-line IRC friend, to the site where the original of the "Penguin-in-the-pew" pdf file is located.

I came across it researching a Linux for churches called Ichthux, the developers of which are to be commended. The product of course, not being based on Puppy, is extremely slow in comparison.

I have saved the pdf here, (and some of the Ichthux project pages too) locally on one of my vhosts because of the great importance (imho) of Christians not succumbing to copyright breach in the congregation where I worship due to determined well-intentioned people who "help out" by installing all sorts of unauthorised software. It doesn't just end there, but I won't bore you guys with the details.

The author of that document is a pastor, highly qualified in the field of software engineering, who has now actually planted a new congregation and used opensource software in so doing, perhaps partly because of refusal by the board to listen to his concerns about piracy.

The opening chapter or two of his book describes a sadly too-frequent scenario. I believe that while Ichthux looks good, its overhead is probably better replaced with ChurchPup. That is imho, of course, and I guess that of others on this thread Smile Very Happy

I myself backed out of helping our church secretary resolve issues with her computer which has win95 osr2 CDs, and office 97, and a hardware specification and age that would match. "Someone" had "upgraded" to XP Home and Office to match and then left in a fit of pique, and afaik the whole thing is illicit. But nobody is listening.

So there we go Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2007, 09:32    Post subject:  

Nathan F wrote:
As you mentioned though it is just as easy, and actually usually easier, to use a card reader.
Nathan

I use a very (relatively) cheap Vivitar digital camera, which is a 2nd grade Ricoh, of course.

Both it and its predecessor have some wierd generic name, but I'm quite content for them to appear as an USB drive when I plug them in. I don't understand what's important for them to need to be identified as a camera, when all they are is a repository for jpg files.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2007, 08:01    Post subject:  

The second wallpaper, more to go. (After last Sunday service, I suddenly get more ideas).
Sorry, they still in 1204x768 pixels format. I dont know where to upload them besides in this forum.
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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2007, 09:33    Post subject:  

will this puppy be based on 2.16 or 2.17 whitch may be a little buggy due to the newer kernel or maybe not if based on the latest puppy more hardware would be supported like modems

by the way gtkam detects my fujifilm s700 ditital camera but mut and pmount still don't. the program crashed a few times possibly due to combination of new camera with large files in it slow processor and usb 1.1 but it worked after some trail and error. I have not tried it on my sempron based computer yet it has usb 2.0 might be worth including the drivers should be in the zdrv.sfs though to keep in line with the official puppy. I would much rather mut detected my camera a drive.

sorry to veer off topic earlier in english yes I am KJV only. eternal security yes. I'd rather be on the safe side if you know what I mean.
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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2007, 10:28    Post subject:  

2.17 is the aim, unless anyone has any problems with that?

Nice wallpapers BTW.

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