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Lobster
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun 2005, 04:04    Post_subject:  innovative ideas  

In the words of Martin Luther King and JFK

    "I have a dream today . . . "
    "Do not ask what Puppy can do for you. Rather ask what
    you can do for Puppy"


Wink

People assume only 'developers' and programmers
can put something into the Puppy project?
http://www.goosee.com/puppy/development/developer.htm

Perhaps
or perhaps . .
.

. . . If you have been using Puppy awhile hanging out on IRC occasionly,
you may be able to offer a simple piece of advice.
A lot of questions of new users are quite basic.
If you do not know you do not know - that is OK too.
Ian is a long time and knowledgeable Linux user
and a regular helper
http://www.goosee.com/puppy/wikka/PuppyLinuxIRC

About 6 months ago rather than create static web pages,
I decided to go over to editable pages. That is wikis.
I am still learning and take an active part in producing
web pages which anyone can edit on the Puppy wiki
the original page looked like this
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Puppy%20Linux
and now is like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_Linux
What will you do to improve it?

I always thought of myself as having
little drawing ability but managed to produce one
or two icons with Gimp and mtPaint
some of which here for you to use on web sites and blogs and email signatures
http://www.goosee.com/puppy/wikka/IconsPuppy

Lately I have been using a simple programming language
that many of you might find interesting and comes with
Official Puppy and Puppy Firefox
XUL
(from Ghost Busters)
http://www.xulplanet.com/

Perhaps you have a Dell laptop and can help
Bladehunter with testing his new Puppy ISO?

Perhaps something on the Project page is your cup
of cha

I would be very interested in innovative ideas of what
you are doing or can do.

Let us know Smile

Have Puppy. Ready to be frisky . . .
woof woooooooosh!

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun 2005, 11:44    Post_subject:  

great post!
I agree that everyone can contribute, even if you're new to this!
You had a problem and finally figured out hos to fix it? Share with the rest of the litter, chances are others might have the same problem too, and maybe the top dogs can figuer out a way to make puppy even easier so that people stop having your problem.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul 2005, 03:32    Post_subject:  

Lobster, I checked out the XUL website and found it very interesting. I am not a programmer but XUL looks like it could be usefull for some simple projects in Puppy. And as long as Puppy uses Mozilla it can be used to learn and develop some small programs. Have you used it yet or still learning?
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul 2005, 05:09    Post_subject:  

Lobster, you might be onto something!
I never looked at XUL before, saw the name plenty of times, knew it had something to do with the Moz/Firefox user interface, but never thought of it as a language for writing complete applications.

Looks like you might have to supplement with other languages like Javascript, though, to create complete apps, but of course Javascript is also part of Moz.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul 2005, 06:40    Post_subject: XUL on phones  

XUL will be used for ASQ, a "language" I am developing for Open Source Tmxxine
http://peace.wikicities.com/wiki/Resources

I did start developing a sample program in XUL and it was fun and easy. XUL is already available in Mozilla and Firefox.

Projects developed for Puppy can be modified to support Firefox and the whole community or existing programs can be modified for Puppy specific purposes . . .

There is also a development branch of XUL called XWT and I did attempt to compile their example program but the project and required server was not available - so XUL is the way to go for now . . .

There is also a programming style (already being used)
known as the "adpative path" - Ajax
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
that combines different elements to produce working web based programs

As I hope to be using Puppy on a phone in the future
web based programming is of great interest . . .

Are we having fun yet?

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2005, 04:39    Post_subject: Teacher's CMS (or Everyone's CMS)  

At the time Puppy is version .98, I was able to package a simple CMS useful for teachers (and anybody wanting to do simple Web publishing), but it uses Apache and PHP. I want to use Puppy as the server, that is why am very eager to get PHP working on Puppy (using the Monkey server). Guestoo seems to have done the PHP part for Puppy, but I can not find his dotpup. So I guess I have to wait awhile until I succeed tweaking PHP for Puppy (but am just a teacher) Mad

Given the NTAVO news (see July 12 news), this means that the thin clients of NTAVO (or any CO for that matter) can start using the client as server for elearning!

So any news about making PHP run in Puppy will be most welcome Smile
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PS - See also if you can use these pictures

http://littlecandle.net/em/gypsy_small.jpg
(A contented Puppy, ala Tux???)

http://littlecandle.net/em/gypsy.png
(Pup with miniCD)

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jul 2005, 17:04    Post_subject:  

i installed several php packages in Puppy ... they seemed to work with the (very )simple php test script included with Monkey

it said on the php site that there was a scurity bug and to update a pear module ... so i tried typing
pear upgrade XML_RPC
but it timed out with some sort of error message

the thing is, i'm certainly not a php expert ... i can easily make a dotpup package (if it's small enough ... for php, a dotpup would have to download binaries from somewhere and install it, because i'm limited to dotpups no larger than 1 meg) ... so i thought that the php i had installed was not working properly, maybe something was not configured properly, or maybe there was something else wrong with the package ... i find that 99% of the time and effort in making a dotpup package is in getting the program installed properly and tweaked and configured ... the trouble is, i need to be quite familiar with a program to make it work well in Puppy

there's a package that is supposed to easily install apache-php-mysql in /opt ... i haven't looked at it yet, partly because i haven't installed and run an apache-php-mysql server before ... so i would be anything but an expert at setting it up
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jul 2005, 23:53    Post_subject: PHP package  

You may want to try this

http://www.ph-islands.net/php_lc.tar.gz

(i have posted this in the "regulars" section)

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Aug 2005, 05:47    Post_subject:  

I have mentioned Ajax before - here it is in laymans terms
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68403,00.html?tw=wn_story_mailer

. . . wait a minute I can feel a rant coming on . . .

Programming is a big part of Puppy development (Doh!) Which for those of us with limitations in this area is tough. It is one of the great challanges but it changes. Applications that run from a web browser are important because they are useful. However they MAY require an online connection which not all of us have.

The internet and computing is going through a transition. Computing is seen as a right (it is after all as good as an education) Computer literacy means a little more than being able to use google and send an email to Aunt Maude. I believe literacy will demand the requirement to configure (or program as it is sometimes called) our operating environment - whether Puppy Phone ( . . . one day . . .) or some other system.

Here are some resources to edit, draw, translate, map, program from your browser
http://peace.wikicities.com/wiki/Resources#Programming

. . . now I forget what the original source of my ranting was . . . but the message is clear . . . nobody knows the future until we program it.

Go Puppy Go!

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2005, 12:12    Post_subject:  

raffy-

I was actually attempting a couple days ago to start producing a server package which would include Apache, php, and Perl. I was planning to throw in the Comanche configuration tool even. The problem was that I kept getting strange errors every time I tried to compile Apache using usr_devx.sfs. I may come back to this and try it when Barry releases an update on the compiling package. He said in a post that he's on version 5 now, and he's even gotten KDE running using it, so there must be a pretty big improvement.

My thoughts were that one could make a server package which could include Apache and the most useful modules all in a squash file system, which would then just be mounted something like what is going on with usr_devx and which Barry may also be doing for KDE. When I say the most useful modules I mean to include perl, php, and ssl. I hadn't really considered mysql as I've never used it, but it seams to be something that a lot of people want so it should probably be there.

I've put the whole idea aside for now, but I may come back to it after I get back from Nashville next week. If anyone is interested or thinks they might be able to do it better(a distinct possibility) let me know.
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PostPosted: Mon 15 Aug 2005, 04:53    Post_subject:  

As you know the biggest computer company in the world is Nokia
Cool
When Puppy moves onto the mobile phones of the future (or the past as we will be using hand me downs) then just as Opera is already available on Mobile phones we will have to think about

this sort of google (perhaps already for the planned Bonsai Console Puppy/puplet)

http://www.google.co.uk/xhtml

Stay frisky Puppys

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PostPosted: Wed 31 Aug 2005, 07:21    Post_subject:  

By booting components in parrallel (too hard for me) booting time might be quickened . . .
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html

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