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Mstar

Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 74

PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2007, 21:25    Post subject:  

Put Mouse1 in both places, but nothing changed.

Also, copying the xorg.conf and the xorg.conf.intel_r_865G_Graphics_ChipVSC4elc from the 2.14 frugal to the HD install didn't change anything either.

The HD install also has

xorg.conf.intel_r_865G30_82_50_85
and
xorg.conf.intel_r_915GM_910ML_915MS_Graphics_ChipSEC0000

files. That I don't recall seeing before. But, it's been a long day.

Anyway, here's the current xorg.conf

Server flags section.
# **********************************************************************

Section "ServerFlags"

# Uncomment this to disable the <Crtl><Alt><Fn> VT switch sequence
# (where n is 1 through 12). This allows clients to receive these key
# events.

# Option "DontVTSwitch"

# Enables mode switching with xrandr
# There is a report that this can cause Xorg not to work on some
# video hardware, so default is commented-out...
# but i want to use it in xorgwizard so leave on...

Option "RandR" "on"

EndSection

#everything past here is auto-generated by Puppy's Xorg Wizard...


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "us" #xkeymap0
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
#Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
#DisplaySize 380 300 # mm
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "VSC"
ModelName "VA912-3SERIES"
# Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:
Option "DPMS"
HorizSync 30.0-82.0
VertRefresh 50.0-81.0
#UseModes "Modes0" #monitor0usemodes
EndSection

Section "Modes"
Identifier "Modes0"
#modes0modeline0
EndSection

Section "Device"
# Available Driver options are:-
# Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
# <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
# [arg]: arg optional
#Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>]
#Option "SWcursor" # [<bool>]
#Option "ColorKey" # <i>
#Option "CacheLines" # <i>
#Option "Dac6Bit" # [<bool>]
#Option "DRI" # [<bool>]
#Option "NoDDC" # [<bool>]
#Option "ShowCache" # [<bool>]
#Option "XvMCSurfaces" # <i>
#Option "PageFlip" # [<bool>]
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "i810" #card0driver
VendorName "Intel Corporation"
BoardName "82865G Integrated Graphics Controller"
BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubsection
EndSection

#PuppyHardwareProfile=Intel_r_865G_Graphics_ChipVSC4e1c


Thanks for your patience.
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Sit Heel Speak


Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2595
Location: downwind

PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2007, 00:15    Post subject:  

Mstar wrote:
Thanks for your patience.

I have a reputation for being not exactly a quitter.

I trust that, if this is a hard-drive install, you have the drivers-set zdrv_215.sfs in the subdir / (the top directory of this hard disk)? Or, if a frugal install, that it is wherever pup_save.2fs is?

Assuming that zdrv_215.sfs is indeed where it's supposed to be...

...let's try a slight variation. Since I assume XOrg's configuration wizard (when you first rebooted fresh) put that line

Code:
Option    "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol

in there...

...let's have faith this time that xorgwizard knows what it's doing, and let's bring things into line with xorgwizard's way of thinking, one step at a time. Right now you have:

Code:
Section "ServerLayout"
   Identifier     "X.org Configured"
   Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
   InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
   InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Change it to "Mouse0" so it reads:

Code:
Section "ServerLayout"
   Identifier     "X.org Configured"
   Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
   InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
   InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Now, next you have:

Code:
Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier  "Keyboard0"
   Driver      "kbd"
   Option      "XkbRules" "xorg"
   Option      "XkbModel" "pc102"
   Option      "XkbLayout" "us" #xkeymap0
EndSection

Leave the above section alone.

Next, you now have:

Code:
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver      "mouse"
Option       "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
Option       "Device" "/dev/mouse"
#Option      "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection

Let's revise the above section to read somewhat as suggested earlier, except let's keep consistent with the X server's evident opinion that the mouse is at mouse0, and likewise let's agree with xorgwizard that the mouse is at /dev/mouse. But then, let's give it the "Buttons", "Autodetection", and "Vendor" lines as in the reported successful example cited previously, and see if this gives the X Server enough further clues to figure things out. In other words, make it read so:

Code:
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
#Option      "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
Option "Buttons" "5"
Option "Name" "Autodetection"
Option "Vendor" "Sysp"
Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection


If it still doesn't work, then the angel on my shoulder whispers the suggestion we should comment-out the

Code:
Option "Buttons" "5"

line, in other words change it to read:

Code:
#Option "Buttons" "5"

and finally use the keypress Ctrl-Esc (not the mouse) to open the menu..."L" for Logout, and try restarting the X server (erroneously called "restart Xterm").

If you are left at a # prompt, then enter xwin to restart the X server. When the desktop presently reappears, see if it works OK when you click the start button to open the menu.

Also, an unrelated suggestion. I see in the "Monitor" section the lines

Code:
Section "Monitor"
   #DisplaySize     380   300   # mm

Humor me by taking the # out from the beginning (in other words, uncomment it) of the DisplaySize line, so the X server knows your monitor is 380 mm wide and 300 high. Make it read thus:

Code:
Section "Monitor"
   DisplaySize     380   300   # mm

This may sharpen your fonts a bit.

HTH,
SHS
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Mstar

Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 74

PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2007, 13:41    Post subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

No joy, as they say. Nothing has changed. Tried it with and without Buttons 5 commented out.

Here is the xorg.conf file:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "us" #xkeymap0
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
#Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
#Option "Buttons" "5"
Option "Name" "Autodetection"
Option "Vendor" "Sysp"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
DisplaySize 380 300 # mm
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "VSC"
ModelName "VA912-3SERIES"
# Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:
Option "DPMS"
HorizSync 30.0-82.0
VertRefresh 50.0-81.0
#UseModes "Modes0" #monitor0usemodes
EndSection

Section "Modes"
Identifier "Modes0"
#modes0modeline0
EndSection

Section "Device"
# Available Driver options are:-
# Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
# <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
# [arg]: arg optional
#Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>]
#Option "SWcursor" # [<bool>]
#Option "ColorKey" # <i>
#Option "CacheLines" # <i>
#Option "Dac6Bit" # [<bool>]
#Option "DRI" # [<bool>]
#Option "NoDDC" # [<bool>]
#Option "ShowCache" # [<bool>]
#Option "XvMCSurfaces" # <i>
#Option "PageFlip" # [<bool>]
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "i810" #card0driver
VendorName "Intel Corporation"
BoardName "82865G Integrated Graphics Controller"
BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubsection
EndSection

#PuppyHardwareProfile=Intel_r_865G_Graphics_ChipVSC4e1c


One more bit of information, it does not matter which button I click on the mouse (including the scroll wheel) they all open the little window in the upper left corner of the screen when there is no window open on the desktop.

Thanks for your persistence.
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Sit Heel Speak


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Posts: 2595
Location: downwind

PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2007, 20:10    Post subject:  

Can you take a screenshot of this mystery (Ctrl-Alt-P in 2.15CE, or else Graphics-screen capture with mtPaint, then File-Save as- and put it in say /mnt/hda1 with name Mystery_menu.png, then surf to tinypic.com, Browse to /mnt/hda1, highlight Mystery_menu.png, Open, Upload, post the resulting tinypic url (2nd or 4th box) here)?
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Sit Heel Speak


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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 04:12    Post subject:  

Also, open an rxvt window and issue:
Code:
cat /proc/bus/input/devices

and post here the output. Thanks.
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Mstar

Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 74

PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 11:05    Post subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

The screen capture was a bust. Mtpaint launched into an endless loop that would not stop until I shut down the machine.

It's a black box about 1x2 inches that says "Workspace 2" and under that "Window List".
If I have anything else in the tray (not open on the desktop) it will also be listed on separate lines. The box is only open while the button is depressed, it does not persist.

Sorry I couldn't make the capture work, but that's really all it is.

Here is the rest of the information you asked for.

sh-3.00# cat /proc/bus/input/devices
I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=ab41
N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"
P: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0
S: Sysfs=/class/input/input0
H: Handlers=kbd
B: EV=120013
B: KEY=4 2000000 3802078 f840d001 feffffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe
B: MSC=10
B: LED=7

I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0005 Version=0000
N: Name="ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse"
P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0
S: Sysfs=/class/input/input1
H: Handlers=mouse0
B: EV=7
B: KEY=70000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B: REL=103

I: Bus=0003 Vendor=045e Product=009d Version=0041
N: Name="Microsoft Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop® 2.10"
P: Phys=usb-0000:00:1d.0-1/input0
S: Sysfs=/class/input/input2
H: Handlers=kbd
B: EV=120003
B: KEY=10000 7 ff800000 7ff febeffdf f3cfffff ffffffff fffffffe
B: LED=7

I: Bus=0003 Vendor=045e Product=009d Version=0041
N: Name="Microsoft Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop® 2.10"
P: Phys=usb-0000:00:1d.0-1/input1
S: Sysfs=/class/input/input3
H: Handlers=kbd mouse1
B: EV=10000f
B: KEY=c0002 400 0 c000000 1f0001 10f80 78407 ffe739fa d971d7ff febeffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe
B: REL=fc3
B: ABS=ffffff01 701ff

sh-3.00#

Thanks again for your patience and persistance.
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Sit Heel Speak


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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 12:37    Post subject:  

@MStar:

Just to be clear: you have both the Microsoft keyboard, the Microsoft usb cordless mouse that comes with it, and a ps2 mouse, all three plugged in?

Is there a second, ordinary keyboard as well? Or is the first entry for a keyboard which you earlier had plugged-in, but not simultaneously with the Microsoft Optical one?

The keyboard(s?) and the two mice are each on its own port, i.e. the Microsoft usb cordless mouse does not plug into the Microsoft keyboard, but rather into the computer?

I have alerted two of Puppy's mouse-detection-module architects to this thread, and asked them to take a look at the info you post above, over at

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=17575

Let's see what they find.

Last edited by Sit Heel Speak on Fri 27 Apr 2007, 13:02; edited 1 time in total
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Mstar

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Posts: 74

PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 12:51    Post subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

The wireless mouse and keyboard are both handled through a receiver that's plugged into a USB port. They are physically separate, but communicate through the same receiver. The mouse is not plugged into the keyboard.

The PS2 mouse is plugged into the PS2 mouse port. The IBM keyboard is plugged into the PS2 keyboard port. Neither of them are MicroSoft devices. The keyboard is and old IBM Model 1391401 made in 1987, and the mouse is a G-Max optical model GM-1P.

So, there are two mice and two keyboards using a total of three ports, one USB via a single receiver, and two PS2.

HTH

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 18:25    Post subject:  

While waiting for some comment by Dougal and/or Jesse...

go over to

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=17575

and scroll down to the latest (right now it's version c, a version d may appear before you read this) puppyserialdetect .tgz. Download it to /tmp, open an rxvt window, issue

cd /tmp
rox

and left-click the .tgz to open XArchiver and Extract. Answer yes to the prompts. Back in your rox window, navigate to wherever you've unpacked the file

puppyserialdetect-static

(might be one directory down)

right-click on white space - Window - open terminal (or xterm or rxvt) and in this new console window issue

./puppyserialdetect-static

and then issue

/usr/sbin/puppyserialdetect

and post the two outputs here. If they differ, you might try copying /usr/sbin/puppyserialdetect to /usr/sbin/puppyserialdetect-old, and then copy your new puppyserialdetect-static over (overwrite the old file) /usr/sbin/puppyserialdetect ...reboot and see if this new, improved version of puppyserialdetect cures it.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 19:35    Post subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

Here's what I got in RXVT

sh-3.00# ./puppyserialdetect-static
Type:PS2-mouse|Port:/dev/input/mice
sh-3.00# /usr/sbin/puppyserialdetect
sh-3.00# /usr/sbin/puppyserialdetect
sh-3.00#

I ran the second command twice to make sure I had not screwed it up. There is no output from /usr/sbin/puppyserialdetect. The file is there, I just checked. I also clicked on the file itself, but nothing happened that I could see.

I'll try the copy and reboot and report back in a bit.

Thanks
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Mstar

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 19:54    Post subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

Well, during the reboot the screen message for the mouse changed from PS2 to Serial. But, now neither mouse works.

I re-named puppyserialdetect-static to puppyserialdetect, on the assumption that whatever is calling it during boot would be looking for that name. I will now go back and change it back to the original name and see what happens.

Will report back shortly.
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:03    Post subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

No joy. Rebooted OK with the renamed file, but he mouse behavior is the same.

Sorry.

Thanks for trying.
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Mstar

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:38    Post subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

Here's another piece of the puzzle. I can't open something that's in the bottom menu bar by clicking on it, but if I click on the item in the bottom menu bar and then hold the button down while I roll the cursor up to the window that opens at the top, then the window will open normally on the desktop when I release the button.

Don't know what to make of that, but I just noticed it and thought I'd report it.

Thanks again
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Posts: 465
Location: Auckland, NZ

PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 22:26    Post subject:  

Hi Mstar,

I've just uploaded a new edition of puppyserialdetect, 1.1d
can you please download this version and run it with the -ke options please, and post the output for us to see.

tar zxvf puppyserialdetect-1.1d.tar.gz
cd puppyserialdetect-1.1d
./puppyserialdetect -ke

This will show keyboards and mice detected naming each too, you'll probably get something like:

Type:PS2-mouse|Port:/dev/input/mice|Direct:/dev/input/mouse0|Model:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse
Type:USB-mouse|Port:/dev/input/mice|Direct:/dev/input/mice|Model:Microsoft Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop® 2.10
Type:PS2-kbd|Port:/dev/input/keyboard|Direct:/dev/input/keyboard|Model:AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
Type:USB-kbd|Port:/dev/input/keyboard|Direct:/dev/input/keyboard|Model:Microsoft Microsoft Wireless Optical

Jesse
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Mstar

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2007, 23:35    Post subject:  

Jesse,

Here is the output:

sh-3.00# ./puppyserialdetect -ke
Type:PS2-mouse|Port:/dev/input/mice|Direct:/dev/input/mouse0|Model:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse
Type:USB-mouse|Port:/dev/input/mice|Direct:/dev/input/mice|Model:Microsoft Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop® 2.10
Type:PS2-kbd|Port:/dev/input/keyboard|Direct:/dev/input/keyboard|Model:AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
Type:USB-kbd|Port:/dev/input/keyboard|Direct:/dev/input/keyboard|Model:Microsoft Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop® 2.10

Note: I put this in /tmp following the directions Sit Heel Speak gave me for the previous version, except that I un-tarred it using your method.

Thanks, everyone's efforts are appreciated. I know this is a very minor problem, but I do appreciate the amount of time this community is willing to spend solving it.
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