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2.15CE doesn't show menu in IceWM, does in JWM
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Mstar

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr 2007, 17:08    Post_subject:  2.15CE doesn't show menu in IceWM, does in JWM  

Running 2.15CE with Icewm.

Clicking on "Menu" opens a small window in the upper left corner of my display. It does not contain the menu.

The only time the actual menu displays is if there is already a window open on the desktop.

Same for a right click on the desktop.

Same behavior in both a live CD and full HD install.

Menu behaves "normally" when I switch to JWM.

Is this normal Icewm behavior? This is the first time I've used it, so I don't have anything to compare.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr 2007, 17:30    Post_subject: Re: 2.15 CE Menu Question
Sub_title: Is This Normal?
 

Mstar wrote:
Is this normal Icewm behavior?

No, it should open a drop-up menu in the lower left corner, same as jwm. Perhaps the downloaded .iso image is corrupted. Did you check its integrity against its md5sum?
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr 2007, 18:14    Post_subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

No I didn't. But now that I know this isn't how it's supposed to work I will.

It's odd, because both Final and Final(2) do the same thing on my machine.

Thanks for the response.
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr 2007, 19:43    Post_subject: md5 sums on 2.15CE Final patched and its components
Sub_title: md5 sums on 2.15CE Final patched and its components
 

Here are the md5 sums on my 2.15CE (Final) (patched) as well as its unpacked components and the accompanying sfs files. These were all downloaded from Previously Known as Guest's server, before it went over its bandwidth allocation limit. The unpacked components are on my USB stick and so the linld.cfg and of course pup_save.2fs will be different from yours:

F:\>md5sum puppy-~1.iso
8e3ea16dda19d2e21ffe1f7f3acbb975 *puppy-215CE-Final.iso

Unpacked components and accompanying sfs files :

D:\>md5sum *.*
6a7ef1e62191f6f458ddaacdd881772d *boot.cat
3c8c791f51c5e94868f006f10fa0782c *boot.msg
74f698055f921229ab390a085e27a218 *INITRD.GZ
c19705b8f39cf68a0f7d1d1db1e82456 *isolinux.bin
2e2936dee94a837c6aaa5a55cb2deb16 *isolinux.cfg
282f5914c086b4ed7e61dc43d24f0fd9 *pup_215.sfs
952484a8a742d57595d7ae8b8118b7f1 *VMLINUZ
dd0815c9272204fafe92fe8bc8fc9555 *zdrv_215.sfs
051852255e8ad67c35d3c59dd6bf7d75 *devx_215.sfs
683815c46325e541213f9292d06830a0 *fltkc++_215.sfs
54adc8fc3e90cc68f5d77d2ed5913602 *pgs_215.sfs
7aae06012df09176d73da75fb2f8d28f *web_215.sfs
1e91689bd64947cf83e2a18c98aae7a6 *PUPXUSB
7215ee9c7d9dc229d2921a40e899ec5f *USBFLASH
0c32d19dc116488f02447d4c37592217 *linld.cfg
dfd83d7cf0a21fb89250263fe0553107 *pup_save.2fs


HTH,
SHS

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Mstar

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2007, 14:52    Post_subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

The checksums match for both of the iso's I downloaded.

I don't know how to get the checksums for the files inside the iso, but I doubt that both downloads have the exact same internal error. Does not seem likely. Would the iso checksum be OK if one of the internal files was corrupted?

So, I wonder if there is some other explanation for this behavior.

I will check the internal files if someone can point me to the appropriate instructions.

Thanks
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Mstar

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2007, 15:13    Post_subject:  

I just found something else.

The machine has both a USB wireless mouse and a wired PS2 mouse attached. The USB mouse is the one that causes the odd menu behavior, the wired mouse works normally. This is true even after I set-up the wireless mouse while 2.15Ce is running (it worked, but was not checked in the Wizard when I opened it)

So, I hesitate to call this a bug, because there probably aren't many machines with both kinds of mice in simultaneous use. But, it's definitely a quirk, most likely related to USB handling.

Other Puppy versions have not done this on the same machine, but they didn't use Icewm either.

Anyway, the source of the behavior is at least identified.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2007, 15:53    Post_subject:  

As for the mouse, have you tried putting the line

modprobe usbhid

at the bottom of /etc/rc.d/rc.local? May solve the usb mouse trouble.

If you're still having trouble with the menu...

Mstar wrote:
I don't know how to get the checksums for the files inside the iso, but I doubt that both downloads have the exact same internal error. Does not seem likely. Would the iso checksum be OK if one of the internal files was corrupted?...

If it matches what I show above, then it and its internal files are an OK download of the very last "Final 2 patched" version of the Puppy 2.15CE .iso and the very latest .sfs's to this time. But it still might've been corrupted in the unpack, or by the burn process if you made a live CD. See

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=17121

for a report of a problem with zdrv_215.sfs in a different, earlier version downloaded slightly prior (a few bugs got squashed in the days immediately after the "first final" was posted).

If you have a working Puppy, then...

Menu - Utility - rxvt and then cd (change directory) to whichever subdir you downloaded (or unpacked) (or burned) them to ...in my case it's /initrd/mnt/dev_save, however you may have placed them in /root ...or perhaps on /mnt/hdc1 ...if on hdc1 or other drive then you may need to first mount the drive, using Menu - File Manager - MUT...

...in rxvt, simply issue

cd /root ...(or wherever you put them)
md5sum (name-of-file)

Handy shortcut: you can issue the command

ls

first to get a directory listing, then click-hold-drag the cursor over the name of the file you wish to do the md5sum check on to highlight it, then Shift-Ins will insert the filename on the commandline.

Even handier shortcut:

md5sum *

works. Takes some time on the big ones though.

If you don't have a working Puppy, then a variety of other md5sum checkers, e.g. for Windows, are listed in the thread at

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=16688

From Windows 98, I use md5sum.exe in a DOS window; that's how I took the md5sum's above. It can be downloaded from

http://trog.qgl.org/browse/tools/md5sum.exe

The download link is near the top of the page where it says

------ | download file tools/md5sum.exe now |------

not at the "md5sum.exe" listing further below.

HTH,
SHS
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2007, 12:41    Post_subject:  

Sit Heel Speak,

Thanks for the guidance. The checksums on the CD all match your numbers, so I don't think the burn was corrupted.

I tried the "modprobe usbhid" from rxvt, but it had no effect. The USB mouse behaves the same way after issuing the command. So, I did not put it in rc.local.

Also, the wizard did not show the USB mouse installed on this boot, even though I had used the wizard to install it last time I ran. So, it appears there is something odd going on.

The wired mouse continues to work properly.

Anyway, since I now have a workaround the problem is academic, but still annoying.

Thanks for your help.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2007, 12:49    Post_subject:  

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USB wireless mouse and a wired PS2 mouse attached


That is the source of the conflict. Does running the mouse wizard help at all?

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2007, 12:59    Post_subject:  

@Mstar,
Just out of curiosity, why would you like to have two mice on your system?

Can you imaging a car with two steering wheels, working independantly from each other, what effect it would have?
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2007, 13:45    Post_subject:  

Ever heard of a fire engine? They have two steering wheels. It helps to get tighter turns.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2007, 13:51    Post_subject:  

@Béèm: Perhaps his usb mouse is better than his ps/2 mouse, but he has only a single usb port and desires the ability to use the usb port for something else from time to time. A similar situation holds, on my older Thinkpad laptop.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2007, 14:46    Post_subject:  

octobclrnts wrote:
Ever heard of a fire engine? They have two steering wheels. It helps to get tighter turns.
But they don't work independantly one from each other.
Imagine what happens if one turns to the right while the other turns to the left. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2007, 14:49    Post_subject:  

Sit Heel Speak wrote:
@Béèm: Perhaps his usb mouse is better than his ps/2 mouse, but he has only a single usb port and desires the ability to use the usb port for something else from time to time. A similar situation holds, on my older Thinkpad laptop.
No you mention it, on my Thinkpad the little red thing is active as well as the other one (forget always the name)
So regularly I find myself typing in another area all of a sudden, as I have touched the other one not knowing it.

I wish I could deactivate that one and leave only the red button active.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2007, 14:52    Post_subject:  

Béèm wrote:
...Imagine what happens if one turns to the right while the other turns to the left. Laughing

Actually, Boeing hereabouts uses special trucks for road transport of very long airplane parts, with one steering wheel in the cab and the second steering wheel in a little driver-compartment at the rear of the trailer, underslung, just forward of the rear tires. When going around a tight turn, the cab driver does indeed steer right while the trailer-driver steers left, so the trailer swings wide enough to miss the curb.
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