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Vivaldi-portable - for 'modern' Puppies
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2020, 19:09    Post subject:  

Give this a try, Olaf:-

http://www.mediafire.com/file/sjx6um5f4yb4137/Vivaldi-portable64.tar.gz/file

Non-Google, AFAIK.....


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PostPosted: Wed 29 Apr 2020, 20:19    Post subject:  

Mike, I am happy to report that the latest Vivaldi run like it should, in my 64-bit tahr_6.0.6.
Thanks, mate!

BTW, there is a Vivaldi update today 29. april

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2020, 08:04    Post subject:  

@ tallboy:-

Ah, good, good. I thought it should.

The reason so many of these Chromium-based clones are more popular than their 'parent' is mostly down to the way they're built. Chromium itself is always built using the very newest of everything, so you need a pretty modern, up-to-date system to run it successfully.....and this is what the developers at The Chromium Project automatically assume & take for granted.

Conversely, many of the 'clone' developers take the source code and re-compile it against older dependencies, thus making the browsers more widely accessible to a greater proportion of users; not everybody religiously updates to the very newest of everything the instant it's released. Far from it; left to their own devices, not many would.....and that's why major OS developers prefer to make system updates happen automatically in the background. That way, their 'users' are protected from their own 'foolishness', come what may.....whether they make a conscious effort to upgrade or not.


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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2020, 08:15    Post subject: Vivaldi-portable : 3.0.1874.32 - 32- and 64-bit  

Hello folks.I usually use pale moon as my main browser but unfortunately the 32bit linux build will stop in november so i decided to peruse around for options.I do have firefox installed also and runs fine and decided to try out vivaldi but i think vanilla chromium would be a better option unless customisation is your thing.

All the best. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2020, 12:12    Post subject: Re: Vivaldi-portable : 3.0.1874.32 - 32- and 64-bit  

xenial. wrote:
<snip>....I usually use pale moon as my main browser but unfortunately the 32bit linux build will stop in november....</snip>


@ xenial:- Hello.....and to the 'kennels'.

Re; the above quote. Indulge me, please (if you would). Where exactly did you dig up that tit-bit of information from.....just out of curiosity? Shocked


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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2020, 12:39    Post subject:  

Hello mike and hope your well in turbelent times.
yes it was mentioned on the PM forum by tobin in the linux section.Not sure about other 3rd party builds but yea it looks like november this year is the cut off date for 32bit linux builds sadly.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2020, 18:18    Post subject:  

xenial. wrote:
Hello mike and hope your well in turbelent times.
yes it was mentioned on the PM forum by tobin in the linux section.Not sure about other 3rd party builds but yea it looks like november this year is the cut off date for 32bit linux builds sadly.


Any chance you could link me to the thread where Tobin mentioned it? I know there was a lot of discussion around this last November.....but I haven't seen any recent mention of this over at the Pale Moon forum.


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PostPosted: Sat 02 May 2020, 03:41    Post subject:  

Hi mike,
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=23985&p=185905#p185905
I know the thread is primarily in regard to basilisk but it would appear it applies to 32bit palemoon also.
32bit linux basilisk has not been available for many months.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 04:46    Post subject:  

Everytime vivaldi is open there are 2 instances of a process called "cat" running in task manager..is this normal for vivaldi as it is the only browser this occurs on.
thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 05:51    Post subject:  

This is part of the vivaldi-snapshot script (near the end):
Code:

# Sanitize std{in,out,err} because they'll be shared with untrusted child
# processes (http://crbug.com/376567).
exec < /dev/null
exec > >(exec cat)
exec 2> >(exec cat >&2)

Don't ask me to explain it though, as I don't have a clue.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 06:38    Post subject:  

I have a basic understanding of the function and i have posted on their forum and nobody seems to know what the function is for over there.!!,,

It is the ONLY browser that has this process running and i am yet to receive an explanation as to WHY it is running and WHAT it is for.


I am waiting for a linux developer over at the vivaldi forum to explain why it is running and only runs in vivaldi.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 07:10    Post subject:  

Don't be so paranoid >> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=376567
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 07:36    Post subject:  

Semme's link leads to the same page that is referenced in Keef's reply. In that page you can read:
Quote:

[...]
Just a quick thought: is it better to fix this in Chrome itself, or is it worth considering fixing this in the google-chrome launcher script? E.g., changing

exec chrome ...

to

exec chrome ... > >(exec cat) 2> >(exec cat>&2)

would ensure that stdout and stderr are pipes instead of seekable files, terminals, or what not.

Pros: Simplicity. Trivial change to a shell script, no C++ code to change. Easy for people to workaround for testing if necessary.
Cons: Two extra 'cat' processes running. They would be created as children of the 'chrome' process, which might confuse Chrome?


It turned out that Chrome wasn't confused, so the fix was incorporated in Chrome's launcher script, which Vivaldi has inherited and, likely, adapted.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2020, 08:19    Post subject:  

Very Happy Didn't go that far back, Mate, but I knew that.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 May 2020, 14:10    Post subject: vivaldi 32-bit won't start  

hi folks,
thanks for the link to vivaldi 32-bit, mike.
seems to install okay, i click on 'launcher' icon,
nothing. in terminal i enter 'vivaldi' get:
bash: vivaldi: command not found
running precise puppy 571 from dvd on older tosh laptop.
thanks for any help.
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