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linuxcbon

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Feb 2020, 10:57    Post subject:  

artsown wrote:
Concerning hardware acceleration in Linux, read this:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/697499/why-no-hardware-acceleration-for-browsers-on-linux/

So I was right ? There is no hardware acceleration in linux for firefox and palemoon ? So bigpup is wrong to tell that settings in palemoon can enable hw accel ?
He didnt even explain which settings, I tried them all, and nothing changed.

artsown wrote:
I used to turn on hw accel in chromium and chromium based browsers,
but I learned I had to disable it to prevent crashes.

I have hw accel in chromium, and still no crash for several days. So it must be solved now.

artsown wrote:
I notice that palemoon has hw accel checked in preferences but it never
has caused me any problems.

I have hw accel enabled in palemoon, but it doesnt work. Palemoon uses 90% of cpu for me when watching youtube videos. Chromium only 5%.

artsown wrote:
I happen to have comparisons arranged for firefox, waterfox, palemoon
and basilisk. I ran a hd on youtube. My test machine has a i5 and 4gig
ram. I used HTOP to view ram and cpu cores useage. The test macine
has no video card.

Firefox and waterfox are the most demanding. Next comes palemoon.
Finally, basilisk is by far the least demanding. Subjectively, firefox and
waterfox are the fastest at loading web pages.

Art

My machine has dual core athlon and integrated radeon video card, so its 100 x slower than yours.
So you should do the testings with slower cpus and cards to understand what I am talking about. Your i5 is like a space rocket in comparison to my cpu. Laughing
And many puppy linux users have very slow cpus like me.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Feb 2020, 15:59    Post subject:  

Quote:
My machine has dual core athlon and integrated radeon video card, so its 100 x slower than yours.
So you should do the testings with slower cpus and cards to understand what I am talking about. Your i5 is like a space rocket in comparison to my cpu. Laughing
And many puppy linux users have very slow cpus like me.


I think Phil recommends at least a core duo (not the much slower dual
core). You should do your testing with a faster cpu to get meaningful
and useful results. You can't expect the latest browsers to work well
on really old junk machines.

Art
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Feb 2020, 17:16    Post subject:  

artsown wrote:
I think Phil recommends at least a core duo (not the much slower dual
core). You should do your testing with a faster cpu to get meaningful
and useful results. You can't expect the latest browsers to work well
on really old junk machines.

Art


Stop spreading misinformation.
With my dual core, chromium works very fast.
So yes, you can expect the latest browsers to work well on really old junk machines.
Only firefox and palemoon are not able to run fast enough and are the problem.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Feb 2020, 18:06    Post subject:  

Thanks for not answering my questions.

So, do not use Pale Moon browser.
Your problem solved.

If Google had their way.
Their browser(s) is the only one that will work.
They seem to have the power to make web sites fully support their browser(s).

Remember the days of Windows Internet Explorer. When they controlled the Internet web sites browser support.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 08:58    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Thanks for not answering my questions.

Most of your questions are already answered. And thanks for not testing youtube with a slow cpu and a slow video card on different browsers.

bigpup wrote:
So, do not use Pale Moon browser.
Your problem solved.

It's not my problem, it's many people's problems, with slow hardware, the majority of puppy linux users actually.

bigpup wrote:
If Google had their way.
Their browser(s) is the only one that will work.
They seem to have the power to make web sites fully support their browser(s).
Remember the days of Windows Internet Explorer. When they controlled the Internet web sites browser support.

It has nothing to do with web sites supporting google or microsoft. The problem is that chromium is well optimized and that firefox or palemoon are not well optimised.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 09:10    Post subject:  

on slow computers i use i install the 'open with' addon in palemoon and then open the video in mpv.

this addon (an archive list of old addons) needs to be installed first https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 09:14    Post subject: Re: Compton opacity only works at 50%  

ProgRob wrote:
I have just started using BionicPup. Running well. A couple of issues, one of which is with Compton.

I am using it to set the opacity of non-active windows to be semi-transparent. However, all I get is a slight change of colour in their background until I hit 50% when the window goes really transparent.

Any reason why?


hi ProgRob,

i've been trying to figure this out for a while with no luck Very Happy
i think it may be to do with JWM

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 09:28    Post subject: Re: Compton opacity only works at 50%  

666philb wrote:
hi ProgRob,

i've been trying to figure this out for a while with no luck Very Happy
i think it may be to do with JWM

Hi Phil, there is a problem with compton, I get thousands lines of error messages in xerrs.log with my radeon :
Code:
vsync_drm_wait(): VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this drmver?

See this bug : https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/LARBS/issues/23
I guess compton should be disabled by default.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 09:29    Post subject:  

ally wrote:
having trouble setting sound via hdmi on an asus gl10cs tower

it has on-board intel HDA ALC887_VD and nvidia NVIDIA Corporation Device 10f9 (rev a1)

sound card wizard currently selected for the intel analogue but have also tried the nvidia cards shown, unmuted but am still unable to output sound via hdmi to the monitor

have the same issue with fatdog64-810

sound perfectly fine through the hdd installed win10

sound does not play with or without save files, from usb or disc

have had a good google about and tried a number of solutions without success

any assistance appreciated

Smile


hi ally,

this is an old fix but worth a go.
try adding
Code:
options snd-hda-intel model=generic
the the end of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and reboot
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 09:32    Post subject: Re: Compton opacity only works at 50%  

linuxcbon wrote:
666philb wrote:
hi ProgRob,

i've been trying to figure this out for a while with no luck Very Happy
i think it may be to do with JWM

Hi Phil, there is a problem with compton, I get thousands lines of error messages in xerrs.log with my radeon :
Code:
vsync_drm_wait(): VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this drmver?

See this bug : https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/LARBS/issues/23
I guess compton should be disabled by default.


start compton with
Code:
compton --config ~/.config/compton.conf -b --logpath /tmp/compton.log
to get rid of those messages. note a default bionicpup64 does this already, but i guess that gets lost when changes are made
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 09:59    Post subject:  

666philb wrote:
on slow computers i use i install the 'open with' addon in palemoon and then open the video in mpv.
this addon (an archive list of old addons) needs to be installed first https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases

Does it work for youtube videos ?
Why not chromium as default, cause it's really fast ?
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 10:27    Post subject:  

linuxcbon wrote:
666philb wrote:
on slow computers i use i install the 'open with' addon in palemoon and then open the video in mpv.
this addon (an archive list of old addons) needs to be installed first https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases

Does it work for youtube videos ?
Why not chromium as default, cause it's really fast ?

yes it does work for youtube videos and various other sites.

the only reason chromium is fast is because it's an older version, the last version to have hardware acceleration. if you try to update any of the chrome based browsers in quickpet (vivaldi,opera,chrome etc) you'll be bitterly disappointed. On a 16 core cpu with a nvidia 1050ti card 360p videos have screen tearing Smile

palemoon is actually very good at streaming 4k 60fps youtube videos (silky smooth), but i guess must use more cpu than chromium going by your reports.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 10:36    Post subject:  

666philb wrote:
the only reason chromium is fast is because it's an older version, the last version to have hardware acceleration. if you try to update any of the chrome based browsers in quickpet (vivaldi,opera,chrome etc) you'll be bitterly disappointed. On a 16 core cpu with a nvidia 1050ti card 360p videos have screen tearing Smile

Weird, because I updated chromium to the latest version and it's still very fast and no screen tearing.
Code:
Version 73.0.3683.86 (Official Build) Built on Ubuntu , running on Puppy 8 (64-bit)


666philb wrote:
palemoon is actually very good at streaming 4k 60fps youtube videos (silky smooth), but i guess must use more cpu than chromium going by your reports.

Palemoon is extremely slow on old cpus, it uses at least 90% of the cpu. It's much slower than firefox, which is already slow.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 10:39    Post subject:  

chromium is at version 79 now. 73 is the last good chromium.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2020, 10:43    Post subject:  

see this thread http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=116403&sid=fa6a7ef8bfbd3061ddc3cdb37851a36a
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