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AndresC2

Joined: 08 Jul 2017
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Jun 2019, 19:05    Post subject:  

hi keniv

change cde for tce

kernel /1delta/boot/vmlinuz showapps tce=sda1/1delta/tce/ desktop=flwm_topside

look this example

title Corepup-7 icewm
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /Corepup-7/boot/vmlinuz showapps tce=sdb1/Corepup-7/tce/ desktop=icewm waitusb=5
  initrd /Corepup-7/boot/core.gz

hi wanderer

good luck with delta project : ]
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Jun 2019, 20:36    Post subject:  

hi andresc2

good to hear from you

thanks for all your help

wanderer
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keniv

Joined: 06 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Jun 2019, 16:29    Post subject:  

@andresc2
Quote:
change cde for tce

I have a frugal install. 1delta contains only two directories i.e. boot and cde. Boot contains isolinux, core.gz and vmlinuz. I am booting with grub4dos so don't need isolinux. cde contains one directory i.e optional which contains the *tcz files. Do you mean me to rename cde to tce then make the change in grub. If so I am not sure what difference this would make. However, on the kernel line
Code:
kernel /1delta/boot/vmlinuz showapps cde=sda1/1delta/cde/ desktop=flwm_topside

I don't think the path to desktop=flwm_topside looks correct. Instead of
Code:
showapps cde=sda1/1delta/cde/ desktop=flwm_topside

should it not be
Code:
showapps cde=sda1/1delta/cde/optional desktop=flwm_topside

I will try this and report back.

Regards,

Ken.
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keniv

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Jun 2019, 17:13    Post subject:  

Well I was wrong as changing cde to tce allowed me to boot to a desktop. However, I set the date and time then tried to shutdown and make a backup (I assume this is the equivalent of a save file). This failed with an error. I could only shutdown by electing to exit to the command prompt then
Code:
sudo poweroff

Can I take it that I first have to make a cable connection before I can download what I need to get wifi working? I am already beginning to think that if tinycore is the basis of this project then it will definitely not be for everybody. It will be for tinycore or perhaps linux experts and that would not include me.

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Ken.
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Jun 2019, 17:21    Post subject:  

@keniv

I think the trick is to make the path tce=sda1...., instead of cde=sda1....
(assuming that you extract the ISO content in sda1/1delta, I think you did that)
So probably then this should work for your setup:
Code:
title Deltapup on sda1
root (hd0,0)
kernel /1delta/boot/vmlinuz showapps tce=sda1/1delta/cde/ desktop=flwm_topside
initrd /1delta/boot/core.gz


@wanderer, great work !! only 18MB ! works ok booting to the desktop.

EDIT: @keniv , messages crossed, I see you found already changing cde to tce
EDIT2:
keniv wrote:
Can I take it that I first have to make a cable connection before I can download what I need to get wifi working? I am already beginning to think that if tinycore is the basis of this project then it will definitely not be for everybody. It will be for tinycore or perhaps linux experts and that would not include me.


Yes, you got a point, of course a very small distro is nice, but functionality and being user-friendly is important too.

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Jun 2019, 14:12    Post subject:  

hi all

thanks for your interest and support

at this stage delta (tinycore)
has a significant learning curve
and has limited functionality

that is not acceptable for this project
since it strives to be as simple as possible
and completely functional

over time we will reduce the the learning curve
and increase the functionality

tinycore can produce a fully functional distro now
(with a learning curve)
but i wanted to start out with the smallest iso
that still has x and wired internet

if you want wifi internet and more desktops now
you can use coreplus 9 for the time being

it may be better for some
to simply read along as this project progresses
rather than become frustrated
with issues that will eventually be resolved

i apologize for being so slow
but i have other obligations that i must attend to as well
however slowly i will get things done
i am in this for the long term
since this is my hobby

however i do appreciate
any help or input

thanks again everyone
will post some updates soon

wanderer
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keniv

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jun 2019, 16:19    Post subject:  

@ wanderer
wanderer wrote:
if you want wifi internet and more desktops now
you can use coreplus 9 for the time being

it may be better for some
to simply read along as this project progresses
rather than become frustrated
with issues that will eventually be resolved

I think this might be aimed at me since I believe I am the only person to mention "wifi". It was not my intention to criticise anybody who is attempting to do something I could not do myself. However, as I have said, what drew me to this project was that it was for everybody. The first part was the 18MB iso which you uploaded which as It turns out it not for everybody. I appreciate that it will take both time and effort from experts to get this to work properly. In this respect it is no different to the pups etc. I expect you will also need "everybodies" to test it. I do not have any expertise but I thought I could be an everybody. Based on your initial post I thought the 18MB iso could be tested by an "everybody" and in this respect after my attemps to get it to boot as an "everybody" I made the comment that I did not consider that this was for "everybody"
wanderer wrote:
however i do appreciate
any help or input

I'm not sure you really want input from "everybodies" yet.
I wish you success with this project.

Regards,

Ken.
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keniv

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jun 2019, 16:39    Post subject:  

@fredx181
Hi Fred,
Thanks for your comments and trying to help me with my boot code problem. I'm still not sure why changing the directory name was necessary but it did work. I did try to set up a cable network. I can get eth0, network mask and servers but I don't know how to set the rest up manually. May may try to fiddle with it for a little longer but I think it's beyond my abilities.

Regards,

Ken.
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Jun 2019, 21:00    Post subject:  

hi keniv and everyone

my comments about wifi were not directed to you
this has been a problem for everyone including me

and at this time this project is totally unsatisfactory
concerning it mission

it is not simple and it is not fully functional

but i am sure that over time
i will be able to make it into what it is supposed to be
primarily because of the efficiency and flexibility of its base

you have been very helpful
it seems a big problem for many people is with grub
(that i know nothing about and do not use)
and also wifi

solutions for both will be figured out

there are also other issues that i am aware of
because i have been playing with this system for a while

however this is a work in progress
and a hobby of mine
so i will just keep plodding along

if you read the thread occasionally
and play with things if you have the inclination
you will soon figure it out
since it is really very simple
once you get over some of its quirks

and once again i apologize for my slowness
but i have other obligations i must attend to

i do really appreciate all the input and support
and like it said it is far more helpful than you think

will post again soon
when i have the next step finished

regards

wanderer
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keniv

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Jul 2019, 11:21    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:
hi keniv and everyone

my comments about wifi were not directed to you
this has been a problem for everyone including me


Ah! OK I see, I understand this now. I thought it was supposed to work in delta-1 but it seems not. I'm quite pleased now, that with help, I got it to boot to a desktop. I'm also quite impressed that an 18MB distro boots to a desktop.

wanderer wrote:
will post again soon
when i have the next step finished


I'll try again when you post your update.

Regards,

Ken.
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wiak

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Aug 2019, 06:37    Post subject:  

Hello wanderer,

How are you? Not seen you on here for a couple of months now and just hoping you are reading posts to your thread and are well.

wiak

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rockedge


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PostPosted: Fri 30 Aug 2019, 11:57    Post subject:  

I was also wondering what wanderer is up too.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Aug 2019, 12:03    Post subject:  

rockedge wrote:
I was also wondering what wanderer is up too.


I was also wondering about wanderer and this project but I'm not quite ready to delve into it yet. Hope to see wanderer back soon Smile

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Aug 2019, 17:39    Post subject:  

hi guys

thanks for the concern

i am still reading the forum everyday
but haven't been posting
because i have been very busy with personal stuff
nothing existential just time consuming

i am still playing with my little project
and following all your great work

absolutely amazing

the nice thing about my project
is that it is really just tinycore
so i am not really essential
between the tinycore and puppy forums
anyone could get all the answers they need

i will post when i have made things more usable
but i didn't want to clog up the forum

you all also stay well
and keep up the awesome work

if anyone wants to contact me
just post on this thread
like i said i read the forum everyday

best regards

wanderer
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