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gychang


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 09:10    Post subject:  

have been on Bionicpup64 for 2 weeks and Quirky Beaver64, both pups not a true separate OS...

Both on HD install, only quirk!! on Beaver64 is I was only able to install on a whole HD (120G SSD), would have preferred to install to 20G partition but could not do this. Trying to install Bionpicpup64 on the same HD on a separate partition with Grub4Dos bootloader failed to boot....

anyone have a suggestion on how to install both in one HD?

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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Sat 30 Mar 2019, 14:06    Post subject:  

Hi gychang,

I've had a similar problem with Puppy not recognising my save files when I booted it up. What I did was reserve the first partition of my hard drive for Puppy and then do a frugal install, with whatever save files you make going in that partition. Each Puppy live disk will recognise its own save file and boot that one, ignoring the others on the same partition.

(I've only used IDE and SCSI hard drives so far; I assume it's the same for SSDs.)

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Apr 2019, 09:29    Post subject:  

I've just installed the latest version of Pardus, 17.5 (deepin edition). This is the first distro I've used with deepin as the desktop manager and so far I'm impressed; it looks a lot like Gnome but uses fewer system resources to run, and Pardus itself is a stable and competent distro with little to criticise apart from perhaps the rather dark colour theme (though you get used to that).
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wiak

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Apr 2019, 09:58    Post subject:  

I'm just trying Slitaz64 and TinyCore64 again (following my own install instructions given elsewhere on this thread). However, I'm disappointed neither of them has kernel using overlayfs or aufs; there is so much I could do with Slitaz in particular if it did come with one of those. Of course could use specially compiled kernel etc, but I'm not interested in so much effort for a rolling release. I'm not surprised tinycore doesn't have either but thought Slitaz maybe used one or the other, but apparently not - was going to add persistence with it rather than currently having to continually remaster rootfs.gz in Slitaz... Maybe I can find an alternative but I had a plan if only it had worked with overlayfs... oh well.

I know about TazPup and TazDog for that matter, of course, but I wanted to modify pristine Slitaz directly rather than piggyback load them with alternative system/kernel.

EDIT: Having checked out Slitaz site, now seems to me that loram build will include either aufs or overlayfs module inclusion. I will check further.

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wiak

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2019, 19:31    Post subject:  

I'm giving up on Slitaz now - just doesn't seem to be getting developed much and so-called rolling version comes with ancient kernel and components. Slitaz Next seems to have problems and so on... Lo-ram versions do come with aufs I think, but I have no great interest until and unless its developement accelerates from its current apparent standstill. Continuing with Void Linux along with Xenial or Bionic Dog as my main installs - intending making my own live Void version for frugal install/persistence and sfs handling, but don't know when or if I'd publish that. Void is very good as a full install though aside from the fact its grub2 erased my previous windoze boot loader etc... but I'm glad now since erasing windoze has freed up much needed dev space on my machine and I'm finally getting used to grub2 instead of grub4dos (proving easy to translate from my old menu.lst into grub2 formats thankfully... and no more wee bootloader errors to worry about is good too...).

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Apr 2019, 15:16    Post subject:  

I've just installed the latest version of Connie Sieh's Scientific Linux series 6, version 6.10 (series 7 doesn't work on my machine). It's quite retro as you'd expect from a CentOS-based distro (version 4 of LibreOffice, for example), but it works well with no problems and seems very stable.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 May 2019, 16:05    Post subject:  

I had a couple of missteps with Zenwalk 8 and Fedora 30, which might have been bad burns to DVD so I'm reluctant to blame the distros themselves.

It's been a bank holiday weekend in the UK, so I had plenty of time to install two new distros which are both working well; Mageia 6.1 and Rosa R11 (LXQt). Mageia though has the longest install of any distro I've ever seen, well over two hours long including the compilation of the video driver.

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PostPosted: Mon 13 May 2019, 18:46    Post subject:  

Running away from systemd, I've been trying MIYO-Compiz... pure perfection.

Based upon Devuan Beowulf/Ceres. Amazingly, it's pretty stable.

I know only one distro that's even closer to perfection than that... and it's my system: Dpup Stretch 7.5 RC-2; otherwise, I'd make the switch, eyes wide shut.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 May 2019, 14:31    Post subject:  

I've just installed the latest alpha of AntiX, 19a1 (64-bit). Alhough it's an alpha I can't so far see any issues with it at all (though I have to admit I prefer the old wallpaper and splash screen, of a train station in the evening rain - but others may of course disagree).
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PostPosted: Thu 23 May 2019, 17:11    Post subject:  

Another good one for fans of Mint; Feren OS 2019.04, which is built on Mint Cinnamon and features a colourful desktop balloon as its standard wallpaper, and pastel shaded menus.

https://ferenos.weebly.com/news/a-new-snapshot-is-now-here-for-feren-os-64-bit-and-32-bit-cinnamon

It comes with Vivaldi as its default browser though so you would need to install Firefox and Thunderbird if like me you want those.

[EDIT: it has a problem insofar as anything typed into text boxes when you are in it can take an inordinate amount of time to appear. Because I do a lot of that I'm back in a Debian-based distro (Sparky) to post this.]

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Aug 2019, 02:14    Post subject:  

The latest version of Pardus, a distribution developed by the Turkish government and based on Debian 10, is out now and I've just installed it. As with previous incarnations of Pardus, I'm very impressed with it except that I don't at all like the red / purple theme it has throughout (which is very much like PCLinuxOS's).

I've also recently installed the latest versions of Slint (14.2.1.2) and SolydX'S EE (Experimental Edition), which like Pardus is based on Debian 10, and both are running well.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Aug 2019, 10:41    Post subject:  

TrueOS-x64-18.12 is supposed to be based on Free BSD. I downloaded the .iso and burned it to a DVD with burniso2cd. It booted and I logged in as root, with no password needed, but I couldn't get it to do anything after that. From what I read, it should have booted to some kind of desktop, but mine never went past a text-only interface and I couldn't guess any commands that it knew. Not like Puppy at all. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2019, 06:37    Post subject:  

Hi Flash

TrueOS follows current and FreeBSD's current is fundamentally unstable, a experimental OS for cutting edge developers. At least it did when first released, may have changed as that didn't go down at all well with the FreeBSD regulars.

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2019, 17:33    Post subject:  

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All of the packages needed for a fully functional server OS are included out of the box

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Desktop environments may be downloaded and installed via the package management (pkg) system

A server is different from a general purpose personal computer. A server sits in a locked room, probably with other server machines. They really don't need keyboards or mice or video monitors or sound cards or even sound card drivers. They just need a network connection and a power supply. Mostly what they do is copy files from the local network and send them to whatever asked for it.

Dell for example sell server machines, optimized for server use.

An operating system optimized for use as a server is unlikely to make a good OS for general purpose use.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug 2019, 05:40    Post subject:  

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A server is different from a general purpose personal computer. A server sits in a locked room, probably with other server machines. They really don't need keyboards or mice or video monitors or sound cards or even sound card drivers. They just need a network connection and a power supply. Mostly what they do is copy files from the local network and send them to whatever asked for it.

The Unix philosophy is : everything is a file ... and ... each task does one thing, and does it well. Sound, videos ...etc. are just files (or streams) of bytes. Mice, keyboards, monitors, sound cards are only needed for human interface, to display a file/stream content that carries video/sound, or enable the person to create file content (keyboard), or control processes flow (mouse).

In a terminal/server setup the terminal end provides the human interface, and depending upon needs that can be very lightweight. I have multi-boot choices and some of those are very lightweight, basically just the kernel + busybox ... typically around 15MB in size and enough to get to a command prompt displayed on a screen and accept keyboard entry (commands). With that I ssh into a server and from there I have multiple sessions that keep running even when my 'terminal' is switched off (can disconnect and reconnect again leaving things running on the server). On that server typically I leave IRC running, others might leave long compilations running ...etc. I can also run a browser (albeit a text only browser), visit BBS's (that often use ansi graphics), store things, view emails and partake of mail-lists ...etc. Fundamentally communicate and share things with others. That setup has just a single encrypted link between my terminal (laptop) and the server. My ISP/state doesn't see the what/where of my activities, only a encrypted connection with the content unknown to them data flow through that link. Similarly places I visit do not see my laptops IP, only the servers IP.

If my general purpose needs are to have sounds/videos/graphical browser etc. then instead of that 15MB terminal boot I have to boot up a system that has X (graphical user interface) and programs such as Chrome browser, along with loading all the drivers displaying videos/listening to sounds etc involves, which massively bloats out the size (typically 1GB minimum (non compressed)) of the system being loaded. That also opens you right up, you're ISP/state can monitor your activities, as can places (sites) you visit, and its much easier for others to slip things into your local system and/or gain control over your system. Google gains much of its revenues from targeting adverts and profiling individuals, so whilst its browser is free to download/install/use, the price being paid is yourself. Many don't care about that price often saying that they have nothing to hide, but paraphrasing Snowden that's like saving you have nothing to say.
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Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

When a state can monitor your movements, spending and activities (google searches etc.) then that's paramount to a open-prison. You're being left free to do those activities until some one person somewhere may decide that you should be moved to a closed-prison. And where all of your money/wealth is not actually yours, but instead is just a loan that can be called in at any time. The acceptance of that is so broad now that individuals who might opt out attract focus. A part of 'Big Data' is not only to monitor everything/everywhere, but also to highlight and track those not openly shouting out their movements/activities. Fundamentally a bad form of communism has won. The ideal of communism is ...
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system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

.. but where more often in the current world individuals needs aren't being met and instead the few retain the wealth for themselves that otherwise might be spent on others.

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