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FrugalPup 15w - Puppy frugal installer. (beta)
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gyro

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Dec 2018, 16:02    Post subject:  

polekat wrote:
I get this when run from the terminal . it wouldn't run from the menu

"/usr/sbin/frugalpup: line 69: yad32: not found"

I'm running lxpup. quick search shows no yad32
Sorry, I've uploaded a new version to fix this.
Download extra sfs, http://www.fishprogs.software/puppy/frugalpup/frugalpup_0.9.sfs (1.4 MiB)

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jan 2019, 09:20    Post subject: FrugalPup v0.10 - Puppy frugal installer.  

FrugalPup v0.10 - Puppy frugal installer.

This version is to fix the following bug:
"StickPup" is not as quiet as it should be, due to "default partition" handling introduced in v0.8.

Download extra sfs, http://www.fishprogs.software/puppy/frugalpup/frugalpup_0.10.sfs (1.4 MiB)

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2019, 05:39    Post subject: FrugalPup v11 & StickPup v11 - Puppy frugal installer.
Subject description: now includes "frugalpup-isoboot" and "bootentry"
 

FrugalPup v11 & StickPup v11 - Puppy frugal installer.

This version includes 2 new features:

1) An "ISO" button that executes "frugalpup-isoboot".
This creates a "$HOME/puppy_boot.iso" file that contains only grub2 configured to non-uefi boot the selected Puppy frugal install(s).
Once you burn the "$HOME/puppy_boot.iso" file to a CD/DVD, you have a CD/DVD that can boot Puppies stored on your system.
It is meant to provide an alternate boot mechanism for machines that can't boot from usb.

Note: You can do a similar thing with "frugalpup-bootfiles" ("Boot" button), i.e. produce a bootable usb stick that doesn't contain any Puppies, but boots Puppies stored on your system.

2) A CLI utility called "bootentry".
This runs the script used by both "frugalpup-bootfiles" and "frugalpup-isoboot" to generate boot entries, so it can be used to preview the entry these scripts would produce.
Simply run "bootentry -h" in a console to see it's usage help message.

Download extra sfs, http://www.fishprogs.software/puppy/frugalpup/frugalpup_11.sfs (2.7 MiB).

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Mar 2019, 01:09    Post subject:  

Thank you so much for this software!!

I was looking for any easy way to get a UEFI boot loader installed on an internal emmc drive used as the storage on this computer.
For the uefi bios to be able to select this as a bootable drive.
Secure boot needs to be enabled.
So, the boot loader on the emmc drive needs to be a UEFI boot loader.

What I did using the FrugalPup program.
The emmc drive has two partitions.
First one a small fat32 formatted for boot files.
Second one ext4 format using rest of drive.

I already had a frugal Install of Bionicpup64 8.0 on the ext4 partition.

Started the FrugalPup program.
Selected Boot button.
Selected the partition Bionicpup was on.
Selected the parent directory.
Selected the emmc fat32 first partition as the boot partition.
Selcted uefi for boot type.

Now have a working uefi boot loader that will work with secure boot enabled.

I really like that first window, giving you choices as to what you want to do, using FrugalPup.

I was looking for a installer program a new Puppy user could use.
This is very much one of them!!

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Mar 2019, 22:13    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Thank you so much for this software!

Thank you.
I'm glad you found it to be useful.

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Mar 2019, 22:34    Post subject:  

Just to let you know.
666philb has added the Stickpup program to Bionicpup64 8.0 as an update to Bionicpup64.

From the installed bugfixes update list after running Bionicpup updates.
Quote:
swapped bootflash 4 stickpup usb installer ... gyro & bigpup

He was testing how Bootflash worked and after I told him about the FrugalPup package.
He tried StickPup to install to USB.

Here is his post in the Bionicpup64 8.0 topic.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1021888#1021888

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PostPosted: Thu 09 May 2019, 09:54    Post subject: FrugalPup v12 & StickPup v12  

I have uploaded 'frugalpup_12.sfs' to http://www.mediafire.com/folder/rdyc5lgzpeij1/frugalpup.
This update includes support for SSD's, adds "pfix=trim" to the boot entry.
And adds full support for "Minimal Init Overlay v12".

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PostPosted: Thu 16 May 2019, 05:47    Post subject: FrugalPup v13 & StickPup v13  

I have uploaded 'frugalpup_13.sfs' and 'frugalpup_13.pet' to http://www.mediafire.com/folder/rdyc5lgzpeij1/frugalpup.
This update fixes the support for SSD's, adds "pfix=trim" to the boot entry if it finds an SSD as the install partition or the default save partition, not just the install partition.
It also includes some code cleanup, and provides support for "Minimal Init Overlay v13".

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Aug 2019, 09:09    Post subject: FrugalPup v15 & StickPup v15  

I have uploaded 'frugalpup_15.sfs' to http://www.mediafire.com/folder/rdyc5lgzpeij1/frugalpup.
This version contains updated uefi support with debian 'grubx64.efi' version 2.04.
This results in a "cleaner" '/EFI/boot' directory, but otherwise no noticable difference.
Still does not support booting Puppies stored on f2fs.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Aug 2019, 15:27    Post subject:  

gyro,

Got any interest in maybe working on this?
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=116824
Maybe making your FrugalPup and StickPup features part of the Puppy Universal Installer.

No one seems to be working on this code anymore.

Maybe blending your fine work and the Universal Installer into one great Puppy installer.

Or maybe we can convince, Puppy version developers, to drop the Puppy Universal Installer and just use FrugalPup as the default installer to put into Puppy. Idea Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Oct 2019, 06:15    Post subject: secure boot  

bigpup wrote:
Secure boot needs to be enabled.
I cannot confirm this on my laptop lenovo ideapad 510.

I often wondered if frugalpup has something special so it can boot with secure boot enabled.
I finally found some time to try it out.
I does not for me.
I have to disable secure boot.

@bigpup
I wonder if your machine maybe has the security key from canonical.
Maybe from the factory or maybe by installing some debian/ubuntu distro.

To make it perfectly clear:
I do not want secure boot.
I consider secure boot to be a case of drm-encumbered, defective by design.
And it does not ensure security at all.
It allows windows to boot while windows is behaving as malware.
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Oct 2019, 12:18    Post subject:  

No two UEFI bios versions seem to be 100% the same.
Computer manufactures can change them to work anyway they want to.
The computer I was talking about needed secure boot enabled
To boot from it's internal emmc drive.
With secure boot disabled, it would not even show as a boot-able drive.
Thus, it needed a fully supportive UEFI boot loader that would work with secure boot enabled.

So far every computer I have disabled secure boot in the UEFI bios.
Seems to have no problem booting with good old Grub4dos boot loader, which is not a UEFI supportive boot loader.
That is if the UEFI bios will still see the drive as a boot device.

Some UEFI bios computers, will not see external drives as boot-able devices, when secure boot is enabled.
USB drives
CD/DVD drives
It still sees them as data storage drives, but they never show up as a drive to boot from.
Again, depends on the manufactures setup of the UEFI bios.

The computer I used Frugalpup on, required this, to be able to boot from a USB flash drive.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Oct 2019, 13:10    Post subject:  

Just out of curiosity: If this method will boot a Puppy while secure boot is ON, how does Puppy supply valid keys?

Are they somewhere in the Puppy ISO?

I have been setting up UEFI boots with a bootx64.efi that I think originally came from JamesBond. Is it actually capable of booting when Secure Boot is ON?

Are these steps needed to make it work?

And if I get the machine to boot, do I then need a signed kernel?

I'd like some guidance before I screw up a machine trying.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Oct 2019, 14:20    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:

I have been setting up UEFI boots with a bootx64.efi that I think originally came from JamesBond. Is it actually capable of booting when Secure Boot is ON?

Are these steps needed to make it work?

The Fatdog64 UEFI installer in Control Panel > Utilites provides bootx64.efi and several other files that should enable the steps you linked. I haven't actually tested secure boot - I don't have the right hardware - but I can see that the installer adds a MOK manager, and a keys folder with many vendor certs inside, plus the Fatdog64.cer file. But I can't see puppy certs in that folder.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Oct 2019, 16:01    Post subject:  

step wrote:
But I can't see puppy certs in that folder.

I wouldn't expect there to be.

I am looking for someone who has booted a Puppy like bionicpup64-8.0-uefi.iso on a UEFI machine with Secure Boot ON.

Meaning that it was NOT reverted to Legacy (CSM) mode.

I would like to know if they needed to do the additional stuff to register the keys as described by JamesBond.
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