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tiny_puduan_ascii-PreAlpha11.5 (made via a woof-next fork)
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s243a
Joined: 02 Sep 2014 Posts: 2621 |
================================== Update (27 Aug 19 - new version)
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1035451#1035451 End Update (27 Aug 19 - new version) ================================== Update (27 Sep 19 - remastered version with Icecat browser) If one is looking for a version with a browser pre-installed darry has created such a remaster:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif End Update (27 Sep 19 - remastered version with Icecat browser) ================================== About the puppy derivative ================================== At this point this is a very experimental release. It is built using woof-next. Package managers There are two package managers: 1. Sc0ttman's - Pkg - CLI package manager 2. mistifires - Puppy Package Manager (modified) v3.0 both have issues that I need to work out (probably specific to my system) but "after connecting to the Internet you can install firefox-esr using sc0ttman's package manager as follows:
To see what pacakges are available you can use mistfire's package manager. Start with the command:
**or alternativly it can be started via the standard gui ways. In the jwm bottom panel menu (also available via right clicking on the desktop) you will also see gui versions of sc0ttman's package manager. I haven't really tested these but the search function isn't properly filleting the package list. According to sc0ttman this should work on a standard puppy. JRB's portable browser installer If you want a newer browser than is available via the package manager then you can use JRB's portable browser installer (available in the menu). It asks you which partition you want to install it on but I modified it so that you can install anywhere (see rufwoof's security concerns). tiny_puduan_ascii-PreAlpha11.iso Networking Originally, I only had fresbee installed and I decided to also install network_wizard, which seems to also install simple networking wizard. Frisbee is sufficient and I recommend using it. The menu is a bit cluttered with some other networking options. These are here because I wanted to experiment with some CLI networking tools. Just hide the ones from the menu that you don't want to use. A minimal Philosophy? The reason that I wanted to experiment with some CLI networking tools is that I'm interested in minimal systems. The current iso isn't that minimal 213mb but I think it's probably about 100mb smaller then the typical puppy equivalents (ie.g. dpup stretch or puduan ascii. This is probably mostly due to not including a browser. There are lots of stuff that I could remove but I both wanted a system that works well, and didn't give me any error reports due to missing files. Some of said errors (I would get if I stripped out some non-essential packages) would be due to puppy doing things at start-up that aren't strictly essential. Others might be due to unnecessary library dependencies that are compiled into the library. In the first case we can rectify the error by modifying the puppy startup script and in the latter case we need to use different binaries for some libs (e.g. recompile). In the latter case I might rectify these errors by re replacing a lib with the tinycore version. Why the name tiny_devaun? The name tiny_devaun is for two reasons. The first is that it is somewhat minimal and I eventually plan to make it more minimal by pushing more things to optional sfs files. The second is that both libc6 and busybox is from tinycore. I also included some other random tinycore stuff just to see what it is but anything that I thought would interfer with the system (statup stuff and user related stuff) is not included. The tinycore components are from the tinycore9 iso which uses a newer version of libc6 that both devaun ascii and debian stretch. I will think about how I might implement more tinycore components Download You can download the iso at: tiny_puduan_ascii-PreAlpha11.iso Expect frequent new releases until I'm more happy with it. Previous posts Previous posts can be found in the "alternative build systems thread". Immediate tests My first order of business is to make sure that pkg is doing what it's supposed to (i.e. not re-installing anything that is already installed). After that I'll see if I can get either the gui's working better for sc0ttman's pkg and also test to see if mistfire's ppm is working properly. In the long run I'll probly just have sc0ttman's pkg manager but we'll see. 
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s243a
Joined: 02 Sep 2014 Posts: 2621 |
Update (17 Aug 19) -----
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1034594#1034594 **Type "xwin" to start the desktop if it doesn't start. ----- End Update _________________ Find me on minds and on pearltrees. Last edited by s243a on Sun 06 Oct 2019, 21:18; edited 1 time in total |
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s243a
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s243a
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s243a
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s243a
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s243a
Joined: 02 Sep 2014 Posts: 2621 |
The package managers that I'm using: 1. sc0tmann's pkg 2. mistfires ppm3 seem to depend on the symlink: /initrd/pup_ro1 and there seems to be a bug in my ISO where this isn't being created properly in the initrd0/init script. I don't know if it was an issue with the woof-CE snapshot that I pulled or something that I did. However, in the short term I'm going to patch with a fix like follows:
https://pastebin.com/0gLTFNdv Maybe I"ll call this script when starting x. I'll test this sortly. Eventually, of course a I'll both: 1. debug my /initrd/init script 2. remove the dependencies of said package managers on this symlink. The reason for the later is that the symlink is for lagacy apps: gyrog tells me that:
https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/issues/1469#issuecomment-504771021 More about this topic can be found in the thread: Process Substitution & The pup initr0/init _________________ Find me on minds and on pearltrees. |
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rufwoof
 Joined: 24 Feb 2014 Posts: 3723 |
Just to report - works for me. Downloaded the iso. Created a hdd /tinypud folder where I have grub4dos already installed on that hdd. Used rox to click the iso and copied out the vmlinuz, initrd.gz and .sfs files (3 of them) over to that /tinypud folder Updated the /menu.lst file on hdd to add a entry of ...
and booted that. Changed the root password (ran 'passwd'). I then ran 'xwin' as I'd included the pfix=nox so it booted to command line, and X started up ok. Ran through the firstrun setup (country etc.) and then ran through the Connect setup and frisbee wireless connected to my ssid ok. Once network connected I exited back to cli (exit X). Tried ssh myuserid@tty.sdf.org .... and no ssh installed. Tried telnet blackflag.acid.org (a BBS) and that connected ok (but the default terminal isn't a good one for showing ansi art, so looks odd). Used pkgdialog and installed ssh, and tmux and that all installed/works fine (can now ssh into hashbang.sh, sdf.org ...etc.). For me, that opens up email, irc, lynx (curses browser), reddit ...etc. So already pretty functional. X, well pretty much I only need that in order to run a gui browser (that opens up the likes of using google docs for office type stuff). For me, if first run setup and frisbee net connect were cli/ncurses, then X and the rest could all be 'additionals'. But then that deviates quite a bit away from woof - so just saying. Nice that mc is already included by default (ncurses file manager and text editor). I do have some template C code somewhere that creates a mc style cua (interface), drop down menus/windows etc. that I'll have to dig out and have a play with. What with the pkgdialog, tui based versions of first run setup and frisbee could enable X to be grouped with gui browser/others ... as a separate optional sfs - which would make tinypuduan even smaller
Thank s243a (and others). Great work. _________________ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) :wq Fatdog multi-session usb echo url|sed -e 's/^/(c/' -e 's/$/ hashbang.sh)/'|sh |
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rufwoof
Joined: 24 Feb 2014 Posts: 3723 |
Is a devX available? Posting from TinyPuduan, but with no browser installed yet (using lynx via ssh) _________________ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) :wq Fatdog multi-session usb echo url|sed -e 's/^/(c/' -e 's/$/ hashbang.sh)/'|sh |
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s243a
Joined: 02 Sep 2014 Posts: 2621 |
I haven't tried it yet but I suspect the one that Sailor Enceladus built should work: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109842 but I'll put building a devX on my todo list. _________________ Find me on minds and on pearltrees. |
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rufwoof
Joined: 24 Feb 2014 Posts: 3723 |
Thanks, I'll give that a go. Under Fatdog I knocked out a very quick-n-dirty ncurses as per the attached image. Thought in mind was to structure it somewhat like a Puppy desktop tray, but where instead of displaying the time/date for instance usually in a bottom panel far right, the 'panel' is at the top of screen and the far right choice fires up calcurse (or whatever) - that displays the date/time and caters for diary/appointments/todo. Ditto for others (sound, system activity ...etc.) For the MENU first entry, I just casually bashed in some command/action choices, not the sort of order/choice you'd have, more just a case of it being a demo only. The image is a full screen capture - so shows my fatdog tray as well. Primarily however its just the nurses window/program that would be viewed from cli/tui. Aligning to be similar to mc (file manager and text editor) would keep things consistent. As-is that 'demoapp' compiled to a 140K executable filesize.
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rufwoof
Joined: 24 Feb 2014 Posts: 3723 |
Tried rox right click Install for that devx sfs, wouldn't load (pup_ro3 or something like that error). Installed squashfs-tools via pkgdialog and unsquashfs -f -d / ... the devx sfs i.e. extracted it to root and then grabbed a copy of syncterm source from github and tried making that ... worked to a degree, but then locked up. Looks like a libc issue (i.e. yours is a later version ???). So in short .. no luck. _________________ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) :wq Fatdog multi-session usb echo url|sed -e 's/^/(c/' -e 's/$/ hashbang.sh)/'|sh |
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s243a
Joined: 02 Sep 2014 Posts: 2621 |
That's correct. The libc version is newer than the standard devaun asci. Maybe we need differn't c header files. Sounds like I'll need to build a devx. _________________ Find me on minds and on pearltrees. |
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wanderer
Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 1119 |
hi s243a just noticed your new thread didnt see it at first up in cutting edge just downloaded your new iso 11 now on wired internet installed palemoon posting from it now looks and works great great job will follow along thanks for all your work wanderer |
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rufwoof
Joined: 24 Feb 2014 Posts: 3723 |
Spent a evening coding up that ncurses (in Fatdog) to look/feel like mc and it works quite nicely. Wrapped a shell script around it and I'm also using tilda terminal (for its drop down/hide F1 Quake like functionality). Clicking on menu choices adds a new tilda tab to the set with that program/action running in that tab. 
(clickable thumbnail) Tilda tabs are the topmost in that image, the ncurses choices/menu is the next down from that. I reboot with a clean (but configured) system each time I reboot (don't save, keep all data separate). Which means a clean browser also. One of those tabs is my urls, a simple text file - but where under tilda it auto highlights all urls so you can just mouse over and click a url in order to open it up in the defaultbrowser. Why bother with just gui or just tui, when you can have both And with a simple F1 keypress the tui is hidden, to reveal just the gui desktop
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