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greengeek


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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jun 2019, 15:10    Post subject:  

I tried booting delta1 on my Toshiba M700 laptop but end up with a dark screen. Backlight seems on but screen is dark with no icons or cursor (nvidia graphics)

Any thoughts how I can proceed?
cheers!
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jun 2019, 15:37    Post subject:  

hi mikslr

yes right now i have not provided enough information
since i have just started this it will take some time
this is a work in progress
however because this is a simple system
it should not take too long


hi geengeek

there is a problem with the background
because i messed up the wallpaper setting

does anything else work

wanderer
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jun 2019, 17:57    Post subject:  

hi all


if you want to participate in this project
the first thing that you need to do
is download the delta-1.iso
and try to get it to run
and try to load things from the tinycore repositories
and check out how the iso is structured

if you have a problem
post on the thread
so we can work out the bugs

over time we will build up the howto and iso
but it will take time

my next step is to get the iso set up so that it works for everyone
so i will be posting a corrected iso soon

wanderer

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greengeek


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2019, 15:04    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:
there is a problem with the background because i messed up the wallpaper setting
does anything else work
Not as far as I can tell. There is no cursor and no icons - just a dark screen with backlight glowing behind. Have to hold power off button for ten seconds to shutdown. But this also happens with CorePlus 9 which i tried at the same time, so there must be some basic incompatibility with my hardware.

I probably need to add some kernel parameter to help my nvidia card boot correctly.
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2019, 15:44    Post subject:  

yes greengeek i have not seen that happen yet

you might try loading xorg

i dont know if it is loaded in coreplus or not

or of course go to the tinycore forum and ask

wanderer
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s243a

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2019, 16:34    Post subject:  

I added some extra formatting here:
mikeslr wrote:
Wanderer,

I know that what I am asking for is time consuming and difficult. But it is necessary if your intention is something other than just increasing your number of posts. On some other Forums that will get you 'merit badges' and higher standing, maybe more privileges. On this Forum it does nothing beyond taking up space. It is necessary if, as you've stated, your intention is to provide

"a project
that will build a distro that anyone
with even the simplest level of knowledge
can use understand and develop
the only entry level skill needed is to be able to read English".

You are familiar with tiny core. We are not. For us --anyone-- to implement a corepup, even if you re-brand it, we have to know how to proceed. We need in one place a RECIPE.

Step 1. Do this.
Step 2. Do this....
Step ? Do this.

Reboot your computer into delta or corepup or whatever.

The RECIPE could be a GUI. Or it could be build-script containing #non-executable comments/Instructions/Alternative Choices#. Or just the text contained in a post immediately brought to the attention of a potential user.

Both Puppy and TinyCore are modular. But the names and perhaps purposes of their modules differ. How? Perhaps as an Introduction to that RECIPE --but in any event linked to from your first post-- explain the purpose of tinycore's modules: what they contain, do, and how they are put to use.


and I also added some extra formatting here:

wanderer wrote:
yes greengeek i have not seen that happen yet

you might try loading xorg

i dont know if it is loaded in coreplus or not

or of course go to the tinycore forum and ask

wanderer


Most people here might not want to (or have the time to) invest a significant amount of time learning how tinycore works by either going to another forum or reading a book. In order to get more puppy users interested in tiny core variants of puppy that rely heavily on how tiny core works, it would be helpful to try to explain (in a concise manner) some key differences in said tiny core system vs puppy. This doesn't mean that people won't go to the tinycore forum or read a book on tinycore but if there is a more gentle introduction then many more people will invest time in learning about your systems.

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s243a

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2019, 16:38    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:
hi tallboy

the only iso you want is delta-1.iso

the others are for corepup and tinycore
but i did not want to delete them because someone may still want them

however you make a good point
i think i will since they are confusing to have there

wanderer


I"m not sure if you deleted your old isos or not but it might be good to have them somewhere in case people want to know how your older systems work.

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2019, 17:13    Post subject:  

hi guys i really appreciate your input and support

i am writing a howto
that will include all the information
needed to participate in this project

there may be still some need to go to the tincore forum
if the problem is obscure or complex
but the howto should be generally comprehensive

the howto will evolve over time to include
whatever we find is needed

corepup is not needed
since this is just an expanded version of that project
and i dont want to confuse anyone

this system has the capability
of being the simplest and most flexible build system we can find
and that is why i choose it

like i said it will only consist of

1. the delta.iso

2. the howto

i will post the howto on the first post
as soon as it is a generally comprehensive draft

this will take a little time
and will always remain a work in progess
but i think its well worth the effort

i am working on both the howto and iso now
and will post as soon as it is ready
very soon

thanks again everyone

wanderer
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wiak

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2019, 17:47    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:

this system has the capability
of being the simplest and most flexible build system we can find
and that is why i choose it

like i said it will only consist of

1. the delta.iso

2. the howto


It will be much better/more-flexible if you also include a build script for any iso made, wanderer An iso becomes stale relatively quickly, build-scripts tend to remain useful longterm and are easy to tweak (if scripts kept simple and not become a messy spaghetti junction). An iso only provides a one-man perspective on what should be included (and package managers always allow users to add more later anyway). So hopefully you will work on a script for making the iso rather than just starting up tinycore and manually adding what you like to that and giving away the resultant iso. A scripted iso build system solution makes it more than just using tinycore.

wiak

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2019, 19:19    Post subject:  

hi wiak

yes the master script
(part of the howto)
(made up of small simple subscripts)
will build a new iso from parts you choose

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun 2019, 02:17    Post subject:  

Wanderer put your old ones in a folder something like outdated, old etc.
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun 2019, 09:43    Post subject:  

hi darry

good idea will put the old corepup stuff in its own folder

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun 2019, 10:45    Post subject:  

hi all

i have posted an updated howto
on the 1st post

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keniv

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Jun 2019, 12:12    Post subject:  

I thought I would try this as I liked the concept. However I have no knowledge of tinycore. I have experience of using various puppys, dogs and even distros like ubuntu. I have therefor got some of the little bits of knowledge need to get them to run. I tried to boot delta using grub4dos (see below).
Code:
title Delta-1 (sda1/1delta)
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /1delta/boot/vmlinuz showapps cde=sda1/1delta/cde/ desktop=flwm_topside
  initrd /1delta/boot/core.gz

I thought this might boot me to a desktop but it did not. The booting process stopped at
Code:
input:ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input4

On pressing enter the boot process continued but not to a desktop. Instead it booted to
Code:
tc@box:~$

I typed "poweroff" after this but got an error. "sudo poweroff" did work. I presume therefor you do not run as root like the puppys.
Can anybody point me in the right direction to boot this to a desktop.

Regards,

Ken.
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Jun 2019, 15:18    Post subject:  

hi keniv

thanks for trying this out

yes delta does not run as root like puppy
so you have to sudo many commands

further up on this thread is some info on booting from grub
but i only have knowledge of syslinux

post if you have any more questions

wanderer
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