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Lobster
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Apr 2019, 19:36    Post subject:  Puppy 8.1
Subject description: Developers Edition - aka 'Stir Fry', SF
 

Very Happy

Dear Puppy Developers

In ye olde days before Puppy Grand Master Barrys 'retirement' Embarassed
a new Puppy was created with aprox 30% innovation every 6-8 weeks

We are Puppy. We is mongrel Linux. Wink

So ... Confused Question Smile

A new official Puppy 8.1 will be announced in 6 to 8 weeks ...
Ready or not. Twisted Evil Shocked

How so?

Well it could well be BionicPup 8.1 ++
or not

It means Puppy 9 can be out in less than a year ...
Ay caramba Rolling Eyes

Yes the numbering system now makes sense ... 8.1 is on the way to Nine Arrow

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We are Puppy. Have Funnery! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Apr 2019, 21:54    Post subject:  

Before it was release make sure that the rc.update, ppm, and sfs_load has a huge improvement take a look at woof-ce github
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2019, 02:47    Post subject: Re: Puppy 8.1
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Lobster wrote:
Very Happy

Dear Puppy Developers

In ye olde days before Puppy Grand Master Barrys 'retirement' Embarassed
a new Puppy was created with aprox 30% innovation every 6-8 weeks

We are Puppy. We is mongrel Linux. Wink

So ... Confused Question Smile

A new official Puppy 8.1 will be announced in 6 to 8 weeks ...
Ready or not.


Well, let's hope it contains some 'innovation'... A good start would be to adopt some of the ex-Puppy Grand Master Barry's container setup out of EasyOS.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2019, 06:20    Post subject:  

Having gone quite deeply down the container path, a better path IMO would be to extend Puppy to include a ssh server socks proxy for Puppy users to utilise.

AFAIK Tor tends to be slow (don't use it myself, just going by general comments). Assuming socks to be quicker/more usable, then that can transition users away from their ISP (and hence state) monitoring of web pages accessed/dns lookup's etc. to the ISP just seeing a ssh link and encrypted data flow through that link. Web sites visited also just see the ssh servers IP, not the end users IP. But introduces a need to trust the ssh server, which if 'in-house' would tend to be higher than if using a third-party server.

Fundamentally containers can better protect local end data, however so also can the practice of disconnected/removable data and/or encryption. Fatdog for instance has right click rox menu option to encrypt a folder. A downside of containers is that the cost of better ensuring containment is functionality. For example google chrome requires chroot capabilities for its sandbox to work, but in leaving chroot capabilities open its relatively easy to break out of a chroot (container). Storing local data more securely (disconnected/encrypted), running browser as spot within a google sandbox (default) within a main session is as good if not better than running chrome within a container without googles sandbox (no chroot - to better ensure the container can't be exited by a cracker).

Adding a ssh server would involve cost, hardware/admin/internet connection etc. However a dedicated Puppy server for Puppy users could add appeal and attract greater interest/usage. With enough users the cost per seat might be relatively low, and having a charged arrangement would also better facilitate removal of those who might exploit the service in a inappropriate manner.

Such a Puppy 'innovation' might lead to a more centralised Puppy. Perhaps where the primary boot was just enough to establish a ssh connection to the Puppy server, from where a central main sfs was loaded/booted locally. Centralisation of your email, irc ...etc. also facilitates access from different locations using different devices.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2019, 08:26    Post subject:  

@rufwoof

maybe incorporate Dropbear https://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html

I have compiled versions for Puppy Linux Bionic that work very well and provide a nice SSH option.
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2019, 10:06    Post subject:  

It is time for a new Puppy Universal Installer or some code changes to it and how it works.

The biggest problems:
It needs to be able to install any Puppy iso.
It will only install the Puppy it is running in.

It needs to be able to install a boot loader that will do a normal UEFI boot.
Puppy needs to probably have Grub2 boot loader or Grub4dos boot loader Config needs to be coded for working with normal UEFI booting.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2019, 10:25    Post subject:  

Quote:
It needs to be able to install any Puppy iso.
It will only install the Puppy it is running in.


totally agree a improvement here would be in order
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Apr 2019, 10:31    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
It is time for a new Puppy Universal Installer or some code changes to it and how it works.

The biggest problems:
It needs to be able to install any Puppy iso.
It will only install the Puppy it is running in
.

It needs to be able to install a boot loader that will do a normal UEFI boot.
Puppy needs to probably have Grub2 boot loader or Grub4dos boot loader Config needs to be coded for working with normal UEFI booting.


This. Yes, please. The alternative, which is Yapi, doesn't always work. Of course an infrastructure for this couldn't absolutely be 100% forward and backwards compatible in time/thinking, but at least some infrastructure to install any past iso would be desired.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 May 2019, 21:41    Post subject: https://www.mindmeister.com/78004/linux-tmxxine?fullscreen=1  

Very Happy

Thanks guys for suggestions. Developers listen. They wonder. Is it useful? Is it possible? Can we do it? Has it been done?

Here are some possibilities:

- The youthful Barry Kauler briefly comes out of retirement creates a one off special Puppy EasyOS/StirFry/Puppy Grand Master edition? Are we too demanding? Should we let sleeping/retired dogs lay?
- Slacko 7 finally hits the pavement and becomes Official Puppy 8.1 (oh I like that plan it uses the woof-CE)
- Mature Debian bases exist. Which one becomes official? (oh another good woof-CE plan)
https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/zz02debiandog64.html
- Fatdog becomes ... oh wait they are their own boss Wink
- I might even create a new version of Linux Tmxxine (oops just went right over the edge - to infinity and beyond)
https://www.mindmeister.com/78004/linux-tmxxine?fullscreen=1

Very Happy Puppy 8.1 on the way to Puppy Nine

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PostPosted: Sun 12 May 2019, 02:16    Post subject:  

Just an update Cool

Developing contact with some of our developer dogs and Puppy Masters ...

It looks like the most likely candidates are one of the mature Debians or Slacko.

We need to know:
- Is Dpup Stretch ready for deployment (uses Woof-CE and currently at RC-4 status)?
- Slacko currently at RC-4 (also uses woof-CE) may be released simultaneously or moved to Official Puppy 8.2

Depends on those that do - the developers.

How can we Puppy users help pull the developers sledge?

Testing, feedback
https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html

Mush! Mush! Wink

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