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I've tried looking through posts & didn't find... I did see about getting the right mouse click to pop up the menu on desktop, but how about the mouse wheel activating window shade mode, I really miss that. Finally getting some time to look at the CE alpha. Embarassed

Pizzasgood · Posted: Mon 05 Mar 2007, 21:17 Post subject:

I don't think that's possible with IceWM yet. I miss it too. You can double-middle-click to roll it up though. There is also an optional button for the title-bar that will do it. Neither are as simple though.

Previously known as Guest · Joined: 28 Sep 2005 Posts: 240

thanks PG, must investigate more, I haven't really used iceWM much at all yet.

rarsa · Posted: Mon 05 Mar 2007, 22:37 Post subject: About women and computers

I've opened a new thread to continue the "Women and computers" thread.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=102108#102108

Pizzasgood · Posted: Tue 06 Mar 2007, 19:28 Post subject:

Tried the new Beta, very nice. Here's my thoughts after about five minute's worth of hurried testing:

gxine and gaim need Mozilla libraries, which are missing. The ones needed are:
/usr/lib/mozilla/libnspr4.so
/usr/lib/mozilla/libnss3.so
/usr/lib/mozilla/libplc4.so
/usr/lib/mozilla/libplds4.so
/usr/lib/mozilla/libsmime3.so
/usr/lib/mozilla/libsoftokn3.chk
/usr/lib/mozilla/libsoftokn3.so
/usr/lib/mozilla/libssl3.so

The neatest way to do that with Unleashed would be give them a separate package.

Also, if you symlink /usr/X11R7/lib/libXcursor.so.1 to /usr/X11R7/lib/libXcursor.so in the Xorg package, adding custom cursor themes will work. Speaking of cursor themes, you might want to consider adding one to enhance the "wow" effect. I haven't looked around at which ones are available so I can't nominate one. Probably whatever one you use should be clean, unobtrusive, and not overly animated. Also, make sure that all the "parts" of it work right, like the "resize" modes, the "wait" mode, etc.

To install them, just put them in /root/.icons/. Symlink the one you want to /root/.icons/default. You could rename it "default", but it's better to symlink, because that preserves the theme name and makes changing easier.

The GTK theme looks great, though I'm not sold on the turquoise menu-bar. I think that should be the same style as the rest. I know you aren't the one who made it though, so I understand if it must stay. It's not that annoying.

I about fell out of my chair after clicking "my computer" and nothing happening immediately. That was before I realized you set the "my computer" icon to MUT and moved the link to /root to "my documents". Incidentally, the "my computer" icon is the same one I have on my "home" icon, in the same place. So I felt even more disoriented than I should have. Wink

Speaking of icons, they look great. I like that you used a separate color for mountpoints. I sometimes do that on my system. It helps distinguish them.

The icons in the menu aren't so great looking. From my own experience, they're the most annoying to change too. Two ways: change the image itself, or what the .desktop file points to. Changing the actual image will affect all things that load the image, so sometimes it's more effective. But sometimes you change it enough that some other reference to it doesn't make sense anymore, so you have to be careful with radical changes, and do those in the .desktop file.

Opera seems to have saved your session, WhoDo. You might want to clear the cache and history before the final release. Also, I didn't look so you may have done this already, but default bookmarks to important Puppy stuff would be cool.

Finally, and this applies to Barry's Puppies too, Gaim auto-connects to #puppylinux. This annoys me a lot. I don't use Gaim much, but when I run it, I don't want to be thrown into a chat room. I want to be given a screen where I can choose to log in with my (hypothetical) msn or yahoo account. A better solution would be to disable the auto-login thing and just leave the #puppylinux thing as a pre-configed option. I don't know much about configuring Gaim to help with that though.

Overall, very nice so far! Smile

And in < 100MB already. Excellent.

Lobster · Posted: Tue 06 Mar 2007, 20:47 Post subject:

=====Puppy 2.15CE "Viz" Beta Please mirror =====
http://www.pkagfiles.net/puppy215CE/puppy-215CE-STD-Beta1.iso
http://www.pkagfiles.net/puppy215CE/puppy-215CE-STD-Beta1.iso.md5.txt

Cool

WhoDo · Posted: Tue 06 Mar 2007, 21:43 Post subject:

Pizzasgood · Posted: Tue 06 Mar 2007, 22:01 Post subject:

I should have scanned over the list I posted before posting. Those are the ones I included in Pizzapup to keep Gaim happy. I forgot that Pizzapup doesn't have Gxine, so I didn't have the libmozjs.so.

"computer" and "documents" are shorter anyways.

I'll keep an eye out for the new icons. Very Happy

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iscraigh · Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 276

Alright did I miss something when did the switch to Opera come I thought the overwhelming opinion on the forums was for firefox. I don't mind Opera but I prefer firefox my banking site won't work with opera, Opera doesn't have near the support or extensions that firefox does. I know people that love Opera love it it is fast and small but my impression was that the majority of people in the community prefer firefox.....perhaps I am wrong. putting aside my preference for Firefox I did an unscientific community pole. I did a forum search for Firefox, 1000 posts...Opera 785 posts. Okay that could mean that firefox just has more problems. Is there a way to see if the firefox.pup gets downloaded more or less than Opera. I can always install Firefox and remaster so it is not a deal breaker if the majority of the community prefers Opera. I am not convinced that the community prefers Opera, I know some of the developers do and ultimately it will be there decision, Just like an elected official I hope that they represent the constituents not themselves(I mean no insult comparing your hardwork and decisions to politicians Wink

). So I have offered my preference but fully support your work and will give it a good run around tommorow.

Craig

WhoDo

WhoDo · Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 01:12 Post subject:

Pizzasgood · Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 01:26 Post subject:

Actually, in keeping with the "wow" factor, I think Firefox would look better. Opera looks good at first, but as soon as you open a menu, your gut starts to squirm and your lunch gets uppity. It feels kinda like being in '95. Firefox, on the other hand, would match the GTK theme (which is downright beautiful).

Firefox also wouldn't need QT installed, which makes including Opera not so size-efficient as many would hope. I haven't done the math, maybe it's still smaller. But if it is, it probably isn't by much.

I don't really have an opinion on which would be better. I'm inclined to think that the majority would choose Firefox, because they're more familiar with it, and it's open source. But neither one really matters to me.

Also, using Opera in a beta gives people a chance to try it out, and see how it fits. Like how WhoDo put in a truck load of themes in the alpha, so people could try them out. It's like test-driving a car, or trying on a pair of pants.

EDIT: Ah, I see you posted before I clicked "reply" WhoDo.

EDIT 2: iscraigh: have you tried having Opera claim it's IE or Mozilla? Sometimes that helps.

iscraigh · Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 276

Ye I have tried getting Opera to work by claiming to be IE no go. I have Opera and Firefox installed on my main machine (Ubuntu) but I run puppy on my kids machine and my laptop. I always find myself going back to Firefox though but I bow to the will of the masses. On the kids machine I will have to stay small as it runs off a usb stick but I may run the 215ce on the laptop. can I ask what extra do we get in the 215ce vs 214 addition? where are the extra 15mb's? Icemw i'm sure plus themes...Looks great love it. If I started with litepup are all the other parts of 215ce (updated scripts, icewm, etc) easily installable through petget.

Not hitting a panic button; just surprised I thought Firefox had already been chosen. Opera is a fine browser I have just always had more challenges getting java/flash/media player extensions to just work with it. I will give it a fair try in the beta and see what I have trouble getting to work.

Craig

WhoDo · Posted: Wed 07 Mar 2007, 03:16 Post subject: