Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[oui]

[musher0]

Those numbers I did NOT invent, oui.

Have you tried the awk formulas I gave above on your
Puppy? What results do you get?

Also, if you'd be kind enough to remember that I am NOT
a member of the woof-CE group.

Oh, I almost forgot. If it can improve your mood, give me
your postal address: I'll send you a punching bag with
my picture on it. I'll do anything to help a fellow Puppyist
out of his depression, you know.

BFN.

[Colonel Panic]

Just my take on this; when I first downloaded a copy of Puppy in June 2006, it fitted on a single CD-R as about half of Linux distros did in those days. Now, in 2019, Puppy still does although most other distros no longer do. Something to be thankful for IMO.

[oui]

Amendment to your friendly message dear Colonel Panic:

[jd7654]

[Burn_IT]

When I started using Puppy, back before I died, I particularly liked it because even though it was not large, if you wanted to do something there was a tool for it AND ONLY ONE.
It wasn't cluttered with multiple browsers and such, you got one way of doing things, like it or lump it.

[wanderer]

this is just a question to the gurus ( mikeslr )
if they read this

would it be doable (better to prevent burnout )
to just have a basic woof-ce
that only accesses 1 repository

then you would only have to update it for that one system
but the main woof-ce components would still be available if needed

wanderer

[wanderer]

better to have a very small base
to run as fast as possible

and just add stuff as needed (sfs files)

I will never use a lot of stuff
don't even know its there


wanderer

[musher0]

Hi wanderer.

Except you and I and most of the members here have Linux experience: we know
where to look if we need app X or Y.

For newbies, not so. An already populated Pup will be a lot less stressful for them.

A lot of members here are on the cutting edge of Puppy and/or Linux, and thrive on
it. Which is all well and good: through our exchanges here, we come up with this
and that great new idea for Puppy, etc., and that nurtures the design of new Pups.

However, if we want Puppy to be readily accessible to the general public, we have
to get out of our specialist mentality and "think generalist". That's what ttuuxxx did
with his Fire Hydrant Pup, a variant of Puppy 3.1. It was a full CD, chock-full of
programs: comparable to any other Linux distro.

I think that openness to the needs of the computing public contributed at the time
to the rise of Puppy in the top ten list at DistroWatch.

It was like saying: sure, we're nerds, but we're also receptive to people's needs.
IMO, if Puppy stays out of touch from the general public, I'm afraid we won't last
much longer.

BFN.

[wanderer]

I agree musher0

newbees need a full featured version
because they will not know how to add things at first

but the system should be able to be reduced to a core and additions
once people decide what the want in their own version

useful for both newbees and oldees

and both low end and high end machines

wanderer

[mikeslr]

I agree with musher0. If a Puppy is to attract the attention of a newbie, it should contain 'real-world' applications at least sufficient to enable anyone to carry out the real-world tasks everyone is likely to engage in. Newbies are not going to woof their own Puppies. Which applications will accomplish that is a decision of the Dev creating the Puppy. (S)he should not have the additional burden of removing (or not choosing to incorporate) applications Woof would install by default.

One of the insights Barry K had in creating Woof was to relieve Puppy of the burden of maintaining repositories for applications and using the bandwidth needed to deploy them. The 'promise' of a Puppy's binary-compatibility was that a Puppy user could access the repositories of compatible distro version and install the applications already created for that distro version. That promise may have been 'wishful thinking' during the initial implementations of Woof. Thanks to the efforts of those working on Woof, at least since 2014 with Tahrpup and perhaps earlier with Slacko 5.7 that wish has been pretty-much fulfilled. And that condition has existed before ITSMERSH developed PaDS and Scottman created Pkg-Cli.

It seems to me that while it may have been necessary when woof was created that it include basic applications, that necessity no longer exists and woof has not been modified to remove it. Failure to do so complicates the work of the Devs who create Puppies. But it also increases the burden on those who maintain Woof. Regardless of how small a burden that may be, it still involves at least carrying forward code which is no longer needed (and serves at best as a distraction) and at worst modifying that code to select the 'right' version of the application for inclusion.

[oui]

wanderer, you are right (are you perhaps BK under an anonym pseudo?)

«Newbies are not going to woof their own Puppies.»


certainly but newbies use the wrong difficult puppies BLIND made by the different woof's distro builders... and have great difficulties. that, what I often read in the first subdivision of the forum is terrible...

their are billions of old PC's on the world. in USA 1/3 of the population has no Internet (in France too!).

if one decide to try, please, give him a chance to realize a dream...

[wanderer]

hi mikeslr and oui and musher0

do you think having a woof-ce
that is set up to be a simple basic run
with only one repository selected
no choices need to be made at first

would be of any value to the puppy community
as a starting point

for newbees the full isos would already be made
so they would just have to download them

but as they got more into it
they could try the simple woof-ce
and go from there

wanderer

[Colonel Panic]

[wanderer]

yes the old ones were great

i started with 201
and remastered it

but i also tried the others
and tried to simplify and minimize stuff
micromuppy and i forget all the names

like i said
i started out with what was already made
and learned a lot and got deeper into things

but for me the attraction was
puppy was small and hackable

the other distros couldn't be hacked

i think it would be a good exercise
to make a minimal woof-ce
and then build on it
so other people can have the same experience we had

i am going to play with it
since hopefully i will now have a little time
i probably will not get far but it will be fun
maybe people will help me

i am going to start with dpup as philb666
has suggested

corepup already does all this
but it is not puppy based

wanderer