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#1 Post by wiak »

Also post made in Beginners Section but unlikely to be visible for long unless made sticky. Sorry, I don't have the authority to make it a sticky post (nor to physically move the entire thread), but I will endeavour to update the distribution overview information at regular intervals:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=117610

Note that to avoid further duplication I am now only keeping one copy of this information list I'm maintaining, which will be found as blog post at tinylinux.info website:

https://www.tinylinux.info

or more specifically: https://www.tinylinux.info/post/distrib ... m-members/

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#2 Post by wanderer »

wow wiak

very nice and informative

this will be a big help

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#3 Post by musher0 »

Corrigendum:

Plus the Debian-based Pups, called DPups, since many years ago, initiated by former
forum member gposil. Born at the same time as the SlackoPups and the UPups.

You forgot those, wiak: the original DPup-4,82, then DPup-4.87, then SqueezePup,
WheezyPup, StretchPup and now DPupBuster. (Back with some URL's later.)

Important and knowledgeable forum members and devs contributed to this Puppy
breed: gposil and dejan555; iguleder et al.; pemasu; ttuuxxx, SailorEnceadus et al.;
radky; now josejp2424 and myself -- et al.. More to come, I'm sure.

The presence of the DebianDogs on this board tend to overshadow the DPups, but the
latter are still an important branch of the PuppyLinux family -- they always have been.

You are forgiven because you are relatively new to the Puppy scene. Newer than the
original DPups, certainly, so you could not have witnessed the evolution of that Puppy
breed first-hand.

BFN.
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#4 Post by wiak »

musher0 wrote:Corrigendum:

Plus the Debian-based Pups, called DPups, since many years ago, initiated by former
forum member gposil. Born at the same time as the SlackoPups and the UPups.

You forgot those, wiak: the original DPup-4,82, then DPup-4.87, then SqueezePup,
WheezyPup, StretchPup and now DPupBuster. (Back with some URL's later.)

Important and knowledgeable forum members and devs contributed to this Puppy
breed: gposil and dejan555; iguleder et al.; pemasu; ttuuxxx, SailorEnceadus et al.;
radky; now josejp2424 and myself -- et al.. More to come, I'm sure.

The presence of the DebianDogs on this board tend to overshadow the DPups, but the
latter are still an important branch of the PuppyLinux family -- they always have been.

You are forgiven because you are relatively new to the Puppy scene. Newer than the
original DPups, certainly, so you could not have witnessed the evolution of that Puppy
breed first-hand.

BFN.
The post at the top of this thread is not intended to be a history of Puppy (or any of the other distros mentioned) and the people who contributed to that history. That is already done in puppylinux.com website, which is linked to. As I said, for Puppy (and similarly for the DebianDogs):
wiak wrote:... XenialPup, BionicPup and some older and newer versions
Note that if puppylinux.com needs to have its information updated, that is up to its maintainer.

Nor is the post expected to be final - it is just an effort on my part to get such a post established/used.

In respect to you odd comment about me being relatively new to the Puppy scene: You do seem to be somewhat even "newer" to the Puppy scene musher0, not that that is relevant to the discussion.

wiak

EDIT: Note that there is also a quite recent DevuanDog 'Beowulf' Alpha available on the Puppy forum, but not yet 'officially released' via main Dog website, but again, that is up to fredx181 when and if he decides to announce that one on the official Dog website. My post is not meant to be any kind of substitute for the overall documentation available officially.

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#5 Post by wiak »

In other words, the main post of this thread was never meant to be a complete listing of all current and past distros. That would be overly complex for this post's purpose and quite irrelevant IMO since Puppy has a perfectly good official website that should be maintained with correct up-to-date info on distributions. Similarly for the Dogs.

If someone wants to also compile a listing of all Puppy forum distros past and present they are of course welcome to do so! ;-)

What I might do, however, to avoid any jealousy issues "anyone" might have, is to remove the one line of info I included naming the initiator/creator of the project. That info can again be found on the official threads or websites. I prefer it as it is (currently only BarryK is credited as far as Puppy distros are concerned), but others can decide.

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#6 Post by peebee »

Bit sad :( :( :( that:

UPupBB & UPupCC
ScPup & ScPup64
LxPupSc & LxPupSc64

all Woof-CE builds

and LxPupBionic derivative of UPupBB

were not included / mentioned.....

see: http://puppylinux.com/download.html
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Main version used daily: LxPupSc; Assembler of UPups, ScPup & ScPup64, LxPup, LxPupSc & LxPupSc64

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#7 Post by wiak »

Well, peebee, if worst comes to the worst, the list 'can' be expanded. But surely you see my point that LxPups etc and so on should be listed on puppylinux.com, which is really what my list points to. If LxPup already on puppylinux.com I guess that would be in the 'quick one line list' - I don't think it is. So really I suggest you get puppylinux.com website brought up-to-date since my list is simply a pointer to that when it comes to details for Puppy.

In other words get your woof-CE pups acknowledged as official on the official puppy linux website. That's not my problem.

Over time there are tons of Puppy distros (some being woof-CE built) - this list is not a replacement for puppylinux.com. Sorry about that...

wiak

Note that the list says:
For example:
where examples currently are official per puppylinux.com website. The "For example" list can be changed, but should fit in with official Puppy site official downloads details. Like I said in another post, if someone wants to compile a more complete list of everything available on forum then that's up to them, but too complicated for my purpose, which is to point to main distro website for details.
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#8 Post by watchdog »

I suggest to Flash to make sticky this thread at first spot in Projects section.

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#9 Post by fredx181 »

Well done wiak ! Thanks.

Although I know your intention is just to do make clear what are the different types of OS's offered in this forum, I'd say it wouldn't do any harm to list some more Woof-CE built Puppies (e.g. LxPup, Dpup)

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watchdog wrote:I suggest to Flash to make sticky this thread at first spot in Projects section.
+1

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#10 Post by peebee »

If you remove the "For example" list and add a link to:
http://puppylinux.com/download.html
then that would be better.....in my opinion

[for example BionicPup is not yet released (as in blessed as "Official" and proffered to Distrowatch) and does not yet appear on puppylinux.com whereas LxPupSc and UPupBB do]
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#11 Post by wiak »

peebee wrote:If you remove the "For example" list and add a link to:
http://puppylinux.com/download.html
then that would be better.....in my opinion

[for example BionicPup is not yet released and does not yet appear on puppylinux.com whereas LxPupSc and UPupBB do]
Yes I think that is better, or it becomes a never-ending problem to keep up.

thanks

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#12 Post by rufwoof »

Creation of the Debian/Ubuntu-based Dogs was "initiated by...
Debian Live (DebianDog) has pedigree originated by sickgut ...
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 589#539589
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[url=http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1028256#1028256][size=75]Fatdog multi-session usb[/url][/size]
[size=75][url=https://hashbang.sh]echo url|sed -e 's/^/(c/' -e 's/$/ hashbang.sh)/'|sh[/url][/size]

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#13 Post by wiak »

rufwoof wrote:
Creation of the Debian/Ubuntu-based Dogs was "initiated by...
Debian Live (DebianDog) has pedigree originated by sickgut ...
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 589#539589
All these individuals are accredited/thanked in relevant DebianDog Organisation website. For simplicity, I have now removed any individual mentions from my list concerning the Deb Dogs, since such mentions don't matter to me in terms of post purpose. Indeed, the only individual now mentioned at all in my post is BarryK himself, since that mention has the purpose of showing a direct dev relationship between Puppy, Quirky, and EasyOS. Hope that alteration satisfies those who are concerned with being credited or otherwise: any such credit should in any case be provided in the main distro threads/website, where due and relevant.

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#14 Post by musher0 »

Hi, wiak.

I appreciate your efforts, and I'm sure everybody does, but your alterations simply
pass the buck to the general Puppy site.

Now this site does do justice to the LXPups, but NOT to the DPups. Why the oversight?
There is no valid reason why all variants of Puppy cannot share the spotlight.

There are at least two DPups in activity as I write these lines, radky's Stretch-7.5, and
josejp2424's DPupBuster-7.9.0.2.

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#15 Post by wiak »

musher0 wrote:your alterations simply
pass the buck to the general Puppy site.
Correct, the official Puppy website is a good place for officially recognised Puppy distributions to be listed. If someone feels their Puppy creation should be officially recognised then they should ask the maintainer at the Puppy website to consider adding their distro to the list. Much better than over-complicating a simple post like mine, which isn't trying to organise Puppy Linux itself; that's the job of the official Puppy site. I don't want to mention all the individual Puppy (or Deb Dogs) distributions in my simple post - that's not it's purpose.

EDIT: Please note that I do consider the raised concern valid. I am aware of these Puppy distros, but really puppylinux.com is the home of Puppy and it is important that Puppy keeps its own house in order. I am not trying to substitute for that. I'm sure new distributions should be able to be added to puppylinux.com (else, why not?); if not, then yes, reluctantly I could add a couple of extra entries specially, but there shouldn't be a need for special mentions like that IMO.
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#16 Post by wanderer »

to prevent wiak from being asked to assume an unmanageable burden

why dont people just add to this thread

like a wiki

so people can know what is available in the puppy universe


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#17 Post by peebee »

I have requested a website update:

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/p ... ownload.md

I've added DPupStretch

Is josejp2424's DPupBuster-7.9.0.2 a Woof-CE build??
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#18 Post by jamesbond »

In case anybody forgets:

puppylinux.com website is hosted on github. Here it is: https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/p ... .github.io

The contents are written in markdown format - a human-readable text with easy formatting.

Anyone who wants to propose any content changes are welcome to issue a pull request.

EDIT: I see that peebee has just issued a pull request to update the "Downloads" page of the Puppy distros.
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#19 Post by musher0 »

jamesbond,

The pull argument is not funny. Looks like a reason to stay lazy, the lot of ya!
As if you people needed a kid tugging on your pants to do the logical thing.
"Lord God, is that possible?" (If such is the case, you guys do need prayers!)

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#20 Post by jamesbond »

musher0 wrote:"Lord God, is that possible?" (If such is the case, you guys do need prayers!)
No musher0, we need someone who's willing to do the job. The puppylinux.com website languished for years before the switch to github happened.

We set it up in github for the following reasons:
a) free of cost (no need to pay for hosting, etc)
b) free of effort (no need to setup server, no need to maintain server, account security, etc)
c) easy to update (the format is all in text, not HTML or other arcane markup format)
d) version-controlled, we know what has changed over time and we know who changed what (and this information is publicly available - don't even need to login to github to see this).
The pull argument is not funny. Looks like a reason to stay lazy, the lot of ya!
As a matter of fact, yes we do it this way because we're lazy. We have other priorities in life besides Puppy. The less time we spent on unnecessary things like maintenance etc, the better.
As if you people needed a kid tugging on your pants to do the logical thing.
The logical thing when we're lazy is to let someone else do most of the job for us; and in this case, github, leaving us with the most important task of all: updating the content.

Now, I know that you're allergic to github. That disease is curable, but in case finding the cure is too much hassle, I'll give you another option: please offer us an alternative solution. Preferably a solution that you're prepared to do it yourself, instead of pointing fingers at "someone else" to do it. Preferably a concrete solution, rather than "conceptual" or "in theory" solutions.

Then we can talk. Otherwise, github it is.
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