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watchdog · #21 Post by **watchdog** » Sat 12 Jan 2019, 09:19

Makoto wrote:PM displays the pages without problems, mostly... it's just when there's things like a dropdown, right-click menu or child window, that things (items on the list, in the case of the dropdown), suddenly aren't being refreshed properly.

I can confirm that there is that problem with PM, same here in various puppies. In right click menu I can't sometimes copy the link location for this problem and so I select the text and middle click to paste.

bigpup · #22 Post by **bigpup** » Sat 12 Jan 2019, 16:48

Could you please post a link to a web page where this happens?
I want to see if it does it for me using Pale Moon 28.2.2 (64bit).

watchdog · #23 Post by **watchdog** » Sun 13 Jan 2019, 08:06

I got a screenshot of a malfunction of this kind. I copied an address in the browser and then right clicking in this forum to paste is not possible.

bigpup · #24 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 14 Jan 2019, 01:28

Using latest PaleMoon 28.2.2

Seems to work for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSHzXsE_zN4

If you are trying to copy from the address slot at the top of the browser window.
I highlight the address.
Right click copy.
Right click paste into a posting on forum.

This is actually coming from the clipboard.

I have had times that the clipboard gets a little messed up, but removing all from clipboard fixes it.
Could check the clipboard preferences you are using.

watchdog · #25 Post by **watchdog** » Wed 16 Jan 2019, 17:49

The right-click menu in palemoon 28 is affected by malfunctions when you use Tab Mix Plus extension. Disabling the extension the malfuctions disappear.

EDIT: further testing suggests that Tab Mix Plus is not the only culprit of malfuctions of the right click menu in palemoon 28. Started with a new profile and palemoon 28.3.0 and the problem was not definetely gone. I think this is the case of bad behaviour of palemoon with intel graphics. Choosing vesa driver the problem seems gone at this moment. Feedback from other users could help.

tallboy · #26 Post by **tallboy** » Fri 18 Jan 2019, 00:35

watchdog wrote:Started with a new profile and palemoon 20.3.0 and the problem was not definetely gone.

Psst, did you remember to delete the /root/.cache/moonchild productions/ before testing a new one ?

#27 Post by **Makoto** » Tue 29 Jan 2019, 11:07

For those having problems with the right-click menu (and perhaps the Preferences and Library windows) not displaying properly in Pale Moon 28.x, like I was, there's apparently an issue that may occur on systems with Intel Graphics hardware.

6502coder has posted a fix here. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a fix for those having problems with editing text on the location bar, at this time.

Dry Falls · #28 Post by **Dry Falls** » Tue 29 Jan 2019, 15:20

right click copy/paste issue seems to me a problem not specific to pale moon but gtk3 itself. Helps to have a clipboard manager running. QT5 browsers don't exhibit the problem.

#29 Post by **Makoto** » Tue 29 Jan 2019, 17:11

I don't think Pale Moon currently uses GTK3, but I could be wrong.

Personally, I didn't have a problem with copy/paste.

watchdog · #30 Post by **watchdog** » Tue 29 Jan 2019, 19:57

Palemoon is built against gtk+2. Right-click menu' is not properly working on my intel graphics machine. To paste you have to use sometimes the Menu-Bar Edit at top of the palemoon window. No problems in precise. I also have experimented with a precise chroot jail to run palemoon: it runs flawlessly without problems with precise graphic libraries. I think it's a xorg's problem.

#31 Post by **Makoto** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 03:30

watchdog: Try the fix I mentioned above (and another one has been added which may help with the location bar problems).

How to fix Preferences in Pale Moon 28.x

Yeah - I share my Pale Moon profile between my Precise and XenialPup setups, and never experienced any of the issues under Precise.

watchdog · #32 Post by **watchdog** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 04:31

Makoto wrote:watchdog: Try the fix I mentioned above (and another one has been added which may help with the location bar problems).

How to fix Preferences in Pale Moon 28.x

I already have the 666philb's fix in about:config. It works to change preferences but I have still problems with the right-click menu. I'm now testing the latter fix by radky.

#33 Post by **Makoto** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 07:01

I'll have to see if radky's fix helps with anything else, on my XenialPup setup. Of course, even better would be adding a dedicated graphics card.

(Even now, the Intel Graphics hardware's still finding ways to cause problems for me...)

bigpup · #34 Post by **bigpup** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 07:38

I am using Intel graphics and have had none of these problems using PaleMoon.

Could you tell me what Intel processor is in the computer?

I Assume you are using the integrated graphics in the processor.

#35 Post by **Makoto** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 10:05

It should be, as far as I'm aware. I don't think I've ever touched any of the BIOS settings on this tower, either.

Well, since HP has killed the link I posted for the tower's specs in the OP... (seriously, HP? I get not wanting to support 10+ year-old hardware/products, but would it have hurt to leave the specs page up?) according to the information on the tower, it's an Intel Pentium D 925.

RedQuine · #36 Post by **RedQuine** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 10:39

Makoto wrote: Well, since HP has killed the link I posted for the tower's specs in the OP... (seriously, HP? I get not wanting to support 10+ year-old hardware/products, but would it have hurt to leave the specs page up?) according to the information on the tower, it's an Intel Pentium D 925.

Just in case you need it for future reference: CNET still has a list of specs:
https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-compaq ... 0nx/specs/

I know what you mean about HP, though! It's like, "We're not going to make any more money by giving you this, so we're not interested.".

watchdog · #37 Post by **watchdog** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 10:57

My intel graphics:

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CPU:
  Topology: Single Core model: Intel Celeron M 520 bits: 64 type: MCP 
  arch: Core Merom rev: 1 L1 cache: 64 KiB L2 cache: 1024 KiB 
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 bogomips: 3191 
  Speed: 1206 MHz min/max: 200/1600 MHz Core speed (MHz): 1: 1206 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics driver: i915 
  v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:27ae 
  Display: server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: intel resolution: 1280x800~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.4 Mesa 18.3.2 
  direct render: Yes

I can run 64 bit puppies with this old hardware. 1,5 Gb Ram.

bigpup · #38 Post by **bigpup** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 17:02

Thanks for the Intel graphics info everyone!

Makoto,
There is all kinds of device info in Pup-Sysinfo>Devices.

I kind of figured people having these PaleMoon problems were using some of the earlier Intel graphics hardware.
Makoto and watchdog is using Intel graphic chips probably integrated in the computer motherboard.
Those are generation 3 Intel hardware.
They are not the processor integrated graphics.
They are now up to generation 9 and it is very much improved.
Fully integrated into the processor.
Intel really did not get Intel graphics, working right, until they started integrating it into the processor.

It is what it is.
But good to see some usable work a rounds are out there.

6502coder · #39 Post by **6502coder** » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 19:22

I have a 2003 Compaq laptop that has the PaleMoon problems. Here's my Intel graphics info from "lspci":

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 3084
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K]
I/O ports at 1800
[virtual] Expansion ROM at 000c0000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 1
Kernel driver in use: i915
Kernel modules: i915

00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 3084
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
Memory at e0080000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K]
Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 1
Kernel modules: i915

#40 Post by **Makoto** » Thu 31 Jan 2019, 01:53

bigpup wrote:Makoto,
There is all kinds of device info in Pup-Sysinfo>Devices.

I know, but what I liked about the HP specs page was the additional info it provided at a glance, like what RAM I can use with the motherboard. (Fortunately, I did write that information down, but it was also nice to be able to call the page up when I'm out.)

I kind of figured people having these PaleMoon problems were using some of the earlier Intel graphics hardware.
Makoto and watchdog is using Intel graphic chips probably integrated in the computer motherboard.
Those are generation 3 Intel hardware.
They are not the processor integrated graphics.
They are now up to generation 9 and it is very much improved.
Fully integrated into the processor.
Intel really did not get Intel graphics, working right, until they started integrating it into the processor.

It is what it is.
But good to see some usable work a rounds are out there.

I've been doing nothing BUT working around things since I started dealing with Intel Graphics, those years ago.

What can I use to get info on the Intel Graphics hardware, in a form that I can copy/paste? hardinfo displays some info on it, but will only let me copy the controller's name and not any of the information about it (same for the generated report).

RedQuine wrote:Just in case you need it for future reference: CNET still has a list of specs:
https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-compaq ... 0nx/specs/

Thanks.

I know what you mean about HP, though! It's like, "We're not going to make any more money by giving you this, so we're not interested.".

...including keeping a copy of the drivers and downloads for all that old hardware.

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