Fatdog64-800 Alpha / Beta [20 Dec 2018] [CLOSED]

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Fatdog64-800 Alpha / Beta [20 Dec 2018] [CLOSED]

#1 Post by fatdog »

Fatdog 800 and Fatdog 801 Final have been released. Announcement and discussion here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=115537.
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Fatdog-800RC has been release. Announcement here.
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Fatdog64-800 Beta was released on 20 December 2018.

Compared to the alpha release, this release has the following changes:

Updates:
* AMD microcode to latest (pulled on 2018-12-18 )
* linux-4.19.10
* findnrun-3.1.0
* sqlite3-3.26.0
* mesa-18.2.6
* openssl-1.1.0j

New Features:
* Redshift and GUI to set location. (http://jonls.dk/redshift/)
* Wpa_gui updated with network activity icon and renamed Network tool.

Modules (drivers):
* Support for rtl8821ce-based wireless network adapters

Known Issues:
* Bluetooth applet is still missing.

And of course, numerous bug fixes as found and reported during the alpha period.

Get it from ibiblio or from one of its mirrors: aarnet, uoc.gr, and nluug.nl. (Mirrors may take time to refresh).

As usual, Fatdog does not update from any of its previous versions.


Discussion for the beta release starts from page 12 of this thread, starting from here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 54#1013354


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Original Release Notes for Alpha Release

Fatdog64-800 Alpha was released 16 November 2018.

The Fatdog64 team is pleased to announce the debut of the next generation Fatdog64 GNU/Linux system.

The base of Fatdog64-800 is LFS 8.2 (Linux From Scratch) with CLFS 2017.17, and packages updated to the later or latest BLFS.

The alpha repository comprises over 1700 packages and many more will be added by the official full release.

Fatdog64 is a new major version line and does not upgrade from any of older versions. Save file/folders from older versions aren't compatible. Start a fresh save file/folder. A few older packages may still work, but in general they aren't supported and you should upgrade to the new package version. The same applies for SFS archives.

In spite of the Alpha label, the quality of this release is probably closer to Beta. The developers have been using this version in their daily work for several months before this release.

Please report all bugs to the forum support thread.

Changes from 721:

The following list of updates, new features and changes is only partial.

Updates:
* Full system rebuild with major package updates.
* Linux Kernel 4.19.1
* gcc 7.3.0
* glibc 2.27
* eudev 3.2.5
* GTK+ 2.24.32 with Glib 2.58.1 with GTK+ 3.22.30 in the repo
* Qt 5.11.1 (partial) with Qt 4.8.7 in the repo
* Xorg-1.20.3
* Mesa-18.2.3
* xf86-video-amdgpu-18.1.0
* xf86-video-ati-18.1.0
* xf86-video-intel-2.99.18
* ALSA 1.1.6
* libinput 1.12.2
* libgcrypt 1.8.2
* VLC-3.0.4
* ffmpeg 4.0
* CUPS 2.1.3
* LibreOffice 6.1.3.1
* OpenSSL 1.1.0i
* Openbox 3.6.1
* LxQt Panel Qt5 0.12.0
* Seamonkey 2.49.4 with agent switcher
* Flash plugin 31.0.0.108 with 11.2.202.644 in the repo
* Bluez 5.50
* SMB Browser 2.0.0
* Wine 3.16 supporting 32-and 64-bit Windows applications
* Various system tools updates
* Hundreds of other package upgrades
* The full list of updates will be published in the official release announcement

New Features:
* Numerous ROX-Filer enhancements (rox-filer-jun7)
* Click actions for many file types
* More accurate drive icons
* Several new Control Panel applets
* Haveged daemon
* Heavily revamped Samba Browser. Try it!
* The full list of new features will be published in the official release announcement

Changes:
* Fotoxx back into the base system (Viewnior remains the default image viewer)
* AVIdemux into the base system
* TigerVNC viewer replaces TightVNC viewer
* Stronger system password encryption

Modules (drivers):
* Improved connectivity with selected TP-Link and Netgear USB wireless adapters

Repo:
* New package repository
* New SFS repository

Known Issues:
(See next post)


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Get it from ibiblio or from one of its mirrors: aarnet, uoc.gr, and nluug.nl.

Packages can be installed from the Control Panel > System > Gslapt Package Manager applet (click Update first).
SFS-es can be installed from the Control Panel > System > SFS Manager applet.

Thanks to all who will test Fatdog64-800 Alpha! Make sure you use a new savefile or savefolder for testing. Please report all issues to this support thread.
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#2 Post by fatdog »

Known issues, regressions, and other notes

Applicable to both Beta and Alpha Releases

1. OpenSSL version incompatibilities.
This version of Fatdog comes with OpenSSL 1.1.x. For the better or worse, OpenSSL 1.1 is **NOT** backward compatible with openssl 1.0, thus **ALL** packages built for previous version of Fatdogs that uses openssl will not work.

2. Where is the bluetooth-applet?
It's gone for the moment until we can find a replacement. See http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/fa ... tooth.html.

3. This version comes with the latest version for jun7's ROX-Filer fork.
This version is bundled with features, but in particular, jun7 has decided to adopt some of woodenshoe's patches. This includes some changes to the keyboard shortcuts.

For example, to delete, the key is now Ctrl-Del (__NOT__ Ctrl-Alt-Del, that would reboot the computer, of course).

The original key to delete: Ctrl-X - has now been re-purposed to perform "Mark for cutting" (part of the cut-paste operation --> in another word, moving the file). The actual "move" will be done when you press Ctrl-V.

Same with copying files. The original function you accessed under Ctrl-C in older ROX is now Ctrl-D (for "Duplicate"). Ctrl-C has been repurposed as "Mark for Copying"; where the actual copy will be done if you press Ctrl-V later.

This is to make ROX-Filer supports the Ctrl-X/Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V (cut/copy/paste) paradigm that people are used to, in other apps (perhaps other file managers too).

You may not find this agreeable. You're in good company, even _we_ don't like at the beginning. But this seems to the future of ROX-Filer, and the new features (e.g. faster copying) are much too useful to ignore and not update. So better get your muscle memory re-trained.

4. If you are using savefile and it is located in FAT32 partition, and you have moved the Downloads folder, please check and ensure (using Fatdog User Manager, found in Fatdog Control Panel) "spot" is a member of the "users" group. If not, you need to add it.

Applicable to both Alpha Releases Only

1. Some of the links in Seamonkey's home page still point to the 721 folders

2. Cannot install/view/control seamonkey add-ons. Solution: install libicu-full from the repository (using gslapt). Or alternatively see this post: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 34#1010334

3. If you are using savefile and it is located in FAT32 partition, do not move the Downloads folder when you're creating savefile. See http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 04#1010404. If you do, you need to use an obscure boot parameter "SAVEDEVICE_CHMOD=775" on your boot command line. Note that this particular workaround __will not__ work on future releases (only on 800a and older Fatdogs).
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#3 Post by fatdog »

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#4 Post by p310don »

Sounds like a winner. Downloading now

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#5 Post by Acodin »

I'm not sure if this is the right thread. I have a huge problem with fatdog. When I put in 3gb of ram it hangs during use, and when I put in 4gb it stops running. He stuck at 'booting the kernel'. On one 2gb memory card all is well. They are checked with a memtest w/o errors. When I changed the kernel from 4.14.10 to 4.7.1, it stopped hanging, but it started to reset at the same point. He fell into the loop. This happens with both version 721 and 800. Please, help me, I've been fighting this for a very long time, I really want to show you my project.

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Fatdog64-800 Alpha [16 Nov 2018]

#6 Post by Billtoo »

I installed to a usb-3.0 SSD:

Summary
Computer
Processor 2x Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz
Memory 4041MB (731MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Fatdog64 [800]
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Thu Nov 15 22:00:23 2018
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer ATI RV530
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
Audio Adapter USB-Audio - Sound Blaster X-Fi Go! Pro
Input Devices
Power Button
Power Button
Creative Technology Ltd Sound Blaster X-Fi Go! Pro
Logitech USB Receiver
Logitech USB Receiver Mouse
Logitech USB Receiver Consumer Control
Logitech USB Receiver System Control
HDA Digital PCBeep
HDA Intel Rear Mic
HDA Intel Front Mic
HDA Intel Line
HDA Intel Line Out
HDA Intel Front Headphone
PC Speaker
Printers
No printers found
SCSI Disks
ATA Hitachi HDP72505
HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH40L
Monster Overdrive 3.0
Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 4.19.1 (x86_64)
Version #1 SMP Wed Nov 7 18:52:51 EST 2018
C Library Unknown
Distribution Fatdog64 [800]

Using Firefox, have installed Kodi-17.6 but it gives an error

# kodi
/usr/lib64/kodi/kodi.bin: error while loading shared libraries:
libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
#
The devx is loaded.

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Re: Fatdog64-800 Alpha [16 Nov 2018]

#7 Post by jamesbond »

Billtoo wrote:Using Firefox, have installed Kodi-17.6 but it gives an error

# kodi
/usr/lib64/kodi/kodi.bin: error while loading shared libraries:
libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
#
Reason is http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30#1010230 - Note 1 (openssl).

Where do you get the kodi from?
Fatdog64 forum links: [url=http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=117546]Latest version[/url] | [url=https://cutt.ly/ke8sn5H]Contributed packages[/url] | [url=https://cutt.ly/se8scrb]ISO builder[/url]

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Re: Fatdog64-800 Alpha [16 Nov 2018]

#8 Post by Billtoo »

jamesbond wrote:
Billtoo wrote:Using Firefox, have installed Kodi-17.6 but it gives an error

# kodi
/usr/lib64/kodi/kodi.bin: error while loading shared libraries:
libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
#
Reason is http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30#1010230 - Note 1 (openssl).

Where do you get the kodi from?
Hi jamesbond, I got it from the fatdog section at ibiblio.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/contrib/sfs/720/

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Re: Fatdog64-800 Alpha [16 Nov 2018]

#9 Post by jamesbond »

Billtoo wrote: Hi jamesbond, I got it from the fatdog section at ibiblio.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/contrib/sfs/720/
Ah ok that explains. Unfortunately because of the openssl incompatibilities I said above, it will not work. step built the kodi package, I'm sure he will rebuild it for 800 when he has the time.

Alternatively - and I need to emphasise that I have not done this myself - you can try to download the latest openssl-1.0.x package from 721's repo, and then install it, and then try kodi again.

If you want to try that, please do this in a sandbox so in case it doesn't work, at least your savefile/savedir isn't messed beyond repair.
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#10 Post by step »

@Billtoo and others who will ask, I plan to rebuild Kodi for Fatdog64-800 within a couple of days. Then I'll probably move the conversation to its own support thread.
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#11 Post by step »

@Acodin,

please boot Fatdog 800 to a stable state, open a terminal window, run command bugreport.sh in there and upload the bug report file(s) as attachment(s) to your next reply. Thank you.
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#12 Post by jake29 »

Great to see this alpha. I will install later today and report back. Much thanks to all involved.

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#13 Post by Sage »

Nice fast d/l from nluug. Glad to see .iso, getting fed up of those USB only releases - and fits on a CD-RW, too. Can't get much better, always been a favourite.Testing...
Later: looks good, everything working. Only comment is the arcane setup for wi-fi in control panel - it works, but SNS is so much simpler, straightforward and has always worked for me, subject, of course, to presence of appropriate driver!
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#14 Post by p310don »

Same issues I have had with previous fatdogs - 5 minute + boot times.

I think I read of a solution, but I don't have it at hand.

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initrd-NANO....and BRCM-STA & SDcard-slot support!!!

#15 Post by belham2 »

Hi Fatdog Team,

First off, HUGE THANK YOU for including initrd-NANO........no more having to go through all the hoops that SFR would take me through to get the boot time down from 8 mins, lol.

Boot time is now 25-30 secs max, across all machines, from laptops to even the ancient tower systems.

Speaking of 'across all systems', thank you for including (in the kernel) support for my only 5 year old Sony laptop SdCard slot and also for all brcm wireless stuff (some things that are getting disappointingly left behind or shunted aside by some of the 'ubuntu'-based puppies on murga here).

Anyhow, it is darn refreshing to walk to any machine, old & new, laptops included, boot a brand-new Fatdog-800 OS up and watch everything on those machines be recognized and work and for for me to not have to struggle to get stuff that should automatically work just to simply work.


Below is a pic strictly for newbies, it's just a shot of of my frugal-install grub4dos entry (simply created a frugal folder called Fatdog-800, and it is happily co-existing with about 8 other puppies and ddogs and Slax-frugal)so that they know what to modify if they want to run frugal and/or have slow-boot times. The Fatdog grub.cfg help guide is/was awesome, and as I anxiously scrolled through it I nearly cried tears of joy as I saw that last entry of "Fatdog64 for slow BIOS and bootloaders"!


(also, as a side note, at present I cannot get Seamonkey to load any "add-ons", it won't even download them despite downloading other stuff, but I am still in ram w/o a savefile on this laptop for the moment, so I think that might have something to do with it---just wanted to give a heads up in case there is actually a problem with Seamonkey & add-ons----will check the Fatdog Team notes on opening post more closely)

[i]Thank you again!![/i]
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#16 Post by Acodin »

@Step

here is zipped bugreport tarball

During the creation of the report this information popped up repeatedly:
'can't get device qualifier/debug decriptor: resource temporarily unavaible'

First, I tried to boot it on the 4gb ram, then I took out one ram dice and run bugreport.sh

Please help me :< !
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#17 Post by belham2 »

[Update from my earlier post]

Is anyone else having problems with Seamonkey in Fatdog-800 and activating or even downloading "ADD-ONs"?


I cannot get any of them to work. I cannot even get Seamonkey to search for, let alone download, ADD-ONs.

I've even re-installed it just now, left it in pristine state, and it is still doing the same thing. I think the Fatdog-800.iso download (from nluug) was fine because the md5.sum checked out.

Sooo....not sure what is going on....first time I have ever seen this in a browser. I believe it is also causing problems as I am here at the murga-linux forum, and it is logging me in and out randomly as I try to post and/or look around the forum (I PM'd Flash in case it is something else/worse).


Was this edition of Seamonky compiled by the Fatdog-Team
? The reason I ask is that there are "Add-Ons" already included with the Seamonkey that I did not put there and/or download.

Here's some pics showing how Seamonkey is refusing to activate the add-ons included by the Fatdog Team, nor can I Search, nor can you click anywhere in this screen. It is just dead. Notice the missing "Icons" at the left for 'Extensions" and "Appearance"......


Something is haywire here :o[/u]
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#18 Post by mavrothal »

Tried 800a on a macbook pro retina (2015) and is a very Mac-friendly linux distribution! Certainly the best of pups and pup-likes. Interrupts are suppressed, the wl modules provides wifi, suspension and wakeup on lid closure works, touchpad is fine and only the camera is not recognized as it needs an off tree module and firmware. It still fails to mount hfsplus volumes but maybe it’s better that way.

A couple of bugs
The OS is setting Xft.dpi to 168 to compensate for the high pixel density of the screen and this messes up the control panel. Specifically, the first row of the Desktop tab does not work! Is OK in other tabs as is the second row of the Desktop tab!!! Unfortunately the screen resolution applets are in the first row. This bug is not affected by the actual screen resolutions. ie happens in lower resolutions too.

The second bug appears to be mac specific as F10-12 keys are not recognized. xev shows nothing on them, while showkey maps the to keycodes 113-115 and xmodmap shows left, right, end. sven is also indifferent to these keys though with any modifier key, correctly recognizes them as volume control keys (but still does not work for volume control). Trying to reassign them from ~/.Xmodmap to XF86Audio keys has no effect.

BTW screen brightness keys work fine OOTB, as well as the keyboard backlight with the following little script

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BACKLIGHT=$(cat /sys/class/leds/smc::kbd_backlight/brightness)
INCREMENT=15
SET_VALUE=0

case $1 in
    up)
        TOTAL=`expr $BACKLIGHT + $INCREMENT`
        if [ $TOTAL -gt "255" ]; then
            exit 1
        fi
        SET_VALUE=1
        ;;
    down)
        TOTAL=`expr $BACKLIGHT - $INCREMENT`
        if [ $TOTAL -lt "0" ]; then
            exit 1
        fi
        SET_VALUE=1
        ;;
    *)
        echo "Use: keyboard-light up|down"
        ;;
esac

if [ $SET_VALUE -eq "1" ]; then
    echo $TOTAL > /sys/class/leds/smc::kbd_backlight/brightness
fi
Add the mbpfan daemon and is good to go.

Pretty good for a beta!
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#19 Post by SFR »

Acodin wrote:I'm not sure if this is the right thread. I have a huge problem with fatdog. When I put in 3gb of ram it hangs during use, and when I put in 4gb it stops running. He stuck at 'booting the kernel'. On one 2gb memory card all is well. They are checked with a memtest w/o errors. When I changed the kernel from 4.14.10 to 4.7.1, it stopped hanging, but it started to reset at the same point. He fell into the loop. This happens with both version 721 and 800. Please, help me, I've been fighting this for a very long time, I really want to show you my project.
Does it hang if you boot FD directly from CD/USB instead of sda1?
What bootloader are you using and have you tried a different one?
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p310don wrote:Same issues I have had with previous fatdogs - 5 minute + boot times.

I think I read of a solution, but I don't have it at hand.
Initrd-nano?
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belham2 wrote:Here's some pics showing how Seamonkey is refusing to activate the add-ons included by the Fatdog Team, nor can I Search, nor can you click anywhere in this screen. It is just dead. Notice the missing "Icons" at the left for 'Extensions" and "Appearance"...... )
Yeah, the entire Add-ons Manager seems nonfunctional down here, too...

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#20 Post by belham2 »

Some possible recommendations to make Fatdog-800 more complete.

Best shown by a picture:

1) this should have been mandatory, and maybe I overlooked it, but please include SFR's "firetray" that will show an icon in the tray that the firewall is activated and running. I grabbed it from the last time SFR provided a .gz download of this, installed it "Startup", and it works great (see pic below).

2) I am biased I know, but maybe include redshift in the iso (I installed the 64-bit version from the versions I put together and posted in "Utilities" last year). That way, a person has both screen warmth and brightness (with a slider) included at their fingertips, and it is in the tray no less. (again, see pic below)

3) Also, possibly include in the iso a "respectable" screenshot shooter instead of the horrendous mtpaint.snapshot, lol? I installed TakeaShot (from various 64-bit pups), and it works a treat in Fatdog-800. Plus, it is light years better than mtpaint.snapshot. (takeashot used to take the pic below)
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