Xenialpup

[bigpup]

Thanks! What partition should i choose> sda1, 2, 3 or sdb1?

By this information.
sda1, 2, 3 is your hard drive.
sdb1 should be the USB flash drive.

You do not choose a partition.
Quickpet will install stuff to the Xenialpupsave, which you should have made the first time you shutdown from the running Xenialpup CD.

When running from the Xenialpup CD.
Anything you install goes into the xenialpupsave.




If you have Xenialpup running from the Xenialpup CD.

To get Xenialpup on a USB flash drive.
Plug the drive in.
Left click on the desktop icon for the USB drive. (sdb1)
This mounts the USB drive.

Left click on the desktop icon named install.
Click on Universal Installer.
Click on USB flash drive.
Select the USB drive you want to install on. (sdb1)
The next window has several options.
All you need to select is the top one to install Puppy to sdb1.
The next few windows are information about what you are doing.
Click OK or press enter.

When the install is complete the Universal Installer will close.

Now you should have Xenialpup on the USB drive.

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Thanks! What partition should i choose> sda1, 2, 3 or sdb1?

By this information.
sda1, 2, 3 is your hard drive.
sdb1 should be the USB flash drive.
Should I unmount sda2 and 3?

Which one? Chrome 64 bit deb (For Debian/Ubuntu) and 64 bit rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE).


You do not choose a partition.
Quickpet will install stuff to the Xenialpupsave, which you should have made the first time you shutdown from the running Xenialpup CD.
It didn't totally shut down it just opened the CD drawer to release the CD.
I have not shut down or rebooted.
When running from the Xenialpup CD.
Anything you install goes into the xenialpupsave.


If you have Xenialpup running from the Xenialpup CD.
It is running off the USB...the CD was ejected and I removed it

To get Xenialpup on a USB flash drive.
Plug the drive in.
Left click on the desktop icon for the USB drive. (sdb1)
This mounts the USB drive.

Left click on the desktop icon named install.
Click on Universal Installer.
Click on USB flash drive.
Select the USB drive you want to install on. (sdb1)
The next window has several options.
All you need to select is the top one to install Puppy to sdb1.
The next few windows are information about what you are doing.
Click OK or press enter.

When the install is complete the Universal Installer will close.

Now you should have Xenialpup on the USB drive.

[Nanosecond]

Thanks! What partition should i choose> sda1, 2, 3 or sdb1?

By this information.
sda1, 2, 3 is your hard drive.
sdb1 should be the USB flash drive.
Should I unmount sda2 and 3?

Which one? Chrome 64 bit deb (For Debian/Ubuntu) and 64 bit rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE).


You do not choose a partition.
Quickpet will install stuff to the Xenialpupsave, which you should have made the first time you shutdown from the running Xenialpup CD.
It didn't totally shut down it just opened the CD drawer to release the CD.
I have not shut down or rebooted.
When running from the Xenialpup CD.
Anything you install goes into the xenialpupsave.


If you have Xenialpup running from the Xenialpup CD.
It is running off the USB...the CD was ejected and I removed it

To get Xenialpup on a USB flash drive.
Plug the drive in.
Left click on the desktop icon for the USB drive. (sdb1)
This mounts the USB drive.

Left click on the desktop icon named install.
Click on Universal Installer.
Click on USB flash drive.
Select the USB drive you want to install on. (sdb1)
The next window has several options.
All you need to select is the top one to install Puppy to sdb1.
The next few windows are information about what you are doing.
Click OK or press enter.

When the install is complete the Universal Installer will close.

Now you should have Xenialpup on the USB drive.

Hallo! I think we got things pretty much in order.
Questions:
a)The personal storage is good on this laptop, But on the other laptop the personal storage icon flashes indicating it needs some help. I'd like to be able to use the same USB on both laptops if possible.
b)On tahrpup I had HotShots to take screenshots with which is similar to IrFanview. What do you suggest for Xenialpup? As soon as I get one app working I will likely post some things that may be in question.
c) I must say I am not 100% sure how I got Google Chrome to work on Xenialpup? I did use Frisbee the second time around that seemed to work better than the Simpler one.
d) there will likely be other questions and please advise or make suggestions how to best use Xenialpup.
Thank You ALL and Bless You ALL as well.
I'm Happy!
Kind regards,
Raphael

[bigpup]

You really need to start new topics in the beginners section of the forum.
Make a new topic for each question.
You will get much better help, because each topic is about one specific issue.

The personal storage is good on this laptop, But on the other laptop the personal storage icon flashes indicating it needs some help. I'd like to be able to use the same USB on both laptops if possible.

The personal storage (save) made on a specific computer has settings for that computer and it's hardware.
If you use that save on another computer.
Those settings may not work with the hardware on a different computer.
Really depends on how different the 2 computers are.

Do you know how to make a save for each computer?
That way you have a save made for each specific computer.
When you boot, it will ask which save to use.
You can choose to use the save made for that computer you are booting.

[bigpup]

On tahrpup I had HotShots to take screenshots

Xenialpup has menu>Graphic>Screeny Capture Windows and Full Screen.

[Nanosecond]

On tahrpup I had HotShots to take screenshots

Xenialpup has menu>Graphic>Screeny Capture Windows and Full Screen.

Thanks,
news to me... and I will post one of those and future ones I take it in the beginners forum.
When I plug the USB in one computer the icon doesn't flash and in the other laptop it does. I'm not sure it's set correctly to begin with!? I randomly chose 512 MB as I recall
Time will tell.

Best, Raphael

[mikeslr]

Hi Raphael,

AFAIK, every Puppy has mtpaint builtin. If you set it as the default snapshot utility [Menu>Setup>Default Application Chooser or Menu>Setup>Default Applications] pressing the Print-Screen key will use it to take a snapshot of the entire screen and open mtpaint so you can, if you want, select only that portion of the screen you want to save: Use the Rectangle-Select tool. Pressing delete removes the excess and opens a new window; click Save on its Toolbar; then select the folder where you want to store the snapshot. [Actually, you've started mtpaint with your snapshot as its subject; you can use any of mtpaint's tools before saving or save, then make corrections before closing].

[I don't know if other screenshot utilities can use the Print-Screen Key]. Frankly, although I've used other utilities, I prefer mtpaintsnapshot because I can quickly take a screenshot, then figure out what part of the screen I want to preserve. Some time ago, 01micko developed a script which enables you to delay, if you want, before taking a snapshot in order to do something during the delay such as opening the menu to show its contents. I packaged the script as a pet primarily so that there would be a desktop file I could assign to a launcher on a panel or taskbar. When I want to take a snapshot, I don't want to first have to wade thru menus. You'll find the pet here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 180#991180. Although it will work in every Puppy [that has mtpaint] the nice icons don't always appear. May depend on which icon set is being used.

"When I plug the USB in one computer the icon doesn't flash and in the other laptop it does. I'm not sure it's set correctly to begin with!? I randomly chose 512 MB as I recall". I doubt if size has anything to do with whether an icon flashes. The question is whether or not the USB-Stick is recognized when it's plugged in. Actually, I'm not sure I understand your problem, or if you have one.

Does a desktop drive icon appear when you plug a USB-Key in? Does such icon disappear when you remove the USB-Key?

[Nanosecond]

Hi Raphael,

AFAIK, every Puppy has mtpaint builtin. If you set it as the default snapshot utility [Menu>Setup>Default Application Chooser or Menu>Setup>Default Applications] pressing the Print-Screen key will use it to take a snapshot of the entire screen and open mtpaint so you can, if you want, select only that portion of the screen you want to save: Use the Rectangle-Select tool. Pressing delete removes the excess and opens a new window; click Save on its Toolbar; then select the folder where you want to store the snapshot. [Actually, you've started mtpaint with your snapshot as its subject; you can use any of mtpaint's tools before saving or save, then make corrections before closing].

[I don't know if other screenshot utilities can use the Print-Screen Key]. Frankly, although I've used other utilities, I prefer mtpaintsnapshot because I can quickly take a screenshot, then figure out what part of the screen I want to preserve. Some time ago, 01micko developed a script which enables you to delay, if you want, before taking a snapshot in order to do something during the delay such as opening the menu to show its contents. I packaged the script as a pet primarily so that there would be a desktop file I could assign to a launcher on a panel or taskbar. When I want to take a snapshot, I don't want to first have to wade thru menus. You'll find the pet here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 180#991180. Although it will work in every Puppy [that has mtpaint] the nice icons don't always appear. May depend on which icon set is being used.

"When I plug the USB in one computer the icon doesn't flash and in the other laptop it does. I'm not sure it's set correctly to begin with!? I randomly chose 512 MB as I recall". I doubt if size has anything to do with whether an icon flashes. The question is whether or not the USB-Stick is recognized when it's plugged in. Actually, I'm not sure I understand your problem, or if you have one.

Does a desktop drive icon appear when you plug a USB-Key in? Does such icon disappear when you remove the USB-Key?

Thank YOU!I used HotShots with Tahrpup so I assume mtpaintsnapshot is similar ..haven't set mtpaintsnapshot up to know what it does? but I will very soon.
i didn't word this correctly regarding the USB flashing. The personal storage in the taskbar > a barrel like icon is the thing that flashes..not the USB. I assume on the one computer that it flashes means it either is out of space or will be shortly and should be increased..It is partially red in color..As long as I used Tahrpup that icon was green in color and totally green. Hoping to get back with some screenshots to help if need be. Hope this has done some good.
Be back in a bit.
Best, Raphael

[bigpup]

That is telling you the free space in the save file is getting too low.
menu>Utility>Resize Personal Storage file
Use this program to make the save file bigger.

Your USB flash drive is probably formatted fat 32.
The max size you can make the save file is going to be 4GB.
That is fat 32 max file size limit.

You can put stuff outside of the save by placing them in /mnt/home
Image files, document files, videos, stuff you download from internet, etc........
/mnt/home is the free space area of the USB drive outside of the Xenialpup install.

Check your Internet browser settings for history and cache.
If it is saving everything you do, it will fill up the save over time.

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That is telling you the free space in the save file is getting too low.
menu>Utility>Resize Personal Storage file
Use this program to make the save file bigger.

Your USB flash drive is probably formatted fat 32.
The max size you can make the save file is going to be 4GB.
That is fat 32 max file size limit.

You can put stuff outside of the save by placing them in /mnt/home
Image files, document files, videos, stuff you download from internet, etc........
/mnt/home is the free space area of the USB drive outside of the Xenialpup install.

Check your Internet browser settings for history and cache.
If it is saving everything you do, it will fill up the save over time.

Thank You!
Problem! Very frustrated...
I'm not sure if this happened before or after re-sizing the Personal Storage file from 512 to 1024? But I cannot get online using Google Chrome web Browser. Last night it worked beautifully. I used Frisbee to set it up and it worked fine.
From the Menu>Internet>Google Chrome web Browser>I tick it and nothing happens. If I tick Palemoon it opens right up. If I open Frisbee 1.4.6 configuration Networks. It show Connected to FALZARANO-5 and the IP Address.
I am baffled!
PLEASE HELP!
Sincerely, Raphael

[Nanosecond]

That is telling you the free space in the save file is getting too low.
menu>Utility>Resize Personal Storage file
Use this program to make the save file bigger.

Your USB flash drive is probably formatted fat 32.
The max size you can make the save file is going to be 4GB.
That is fat 32 max file size limit.

You can put stuff outside of the save by placing them in /mnt/home
Image files, document files, videos, stuff you download from internet, etc........
/mnt/home is the free space area of the USB drive outside of the Xenialpup install.

Check your Internet browser settings for history and cache.
If it is saving everything you do, it will fill up the save over time.

Thank You!
Problem! Very frustrated...
I'm not sure if this happened before or after re-sizing the Personal Storage file from 512 to 1024? But I cannot get online using Google Chrome web Browser. Last night it worked beautifully. I used Frisbee to set it up and it worked fine.
From the Menu>Internet>Google Chrome web Browser>I tick it and nothing happens. If I tick Palemoon it opens right up. If I open Frisbee 1.4.6 configuration Networks. It shows Connected to FALZARANO-5 and the IP Address.
I am baffled!
PLEASE HELP!
Sincerely, Raphael

Perhaps these screenshots will help taken with a webcam Logitech C-910 via my desktop computer.

Also, because my desktop was having troubles yesterday. Instead of running the standard Troubleshoot problems in Windows. I used the Solutions (1) one and (2) two from this link https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/wi ... 10-solved/ for Windows 7. That is the only OS I use in Windows. I do not use 10.

Please note: When I used Tahrpup I never had to do any of this stuff you mentioned and maybe I should of?! But it worked fine for a year
You can put stuff outside of the save by placing them in /mnt/home
Image files, document files, videos, stuff you download from internet, etc........
/mnt/home is the free space area of the USB drive outside of the Xenialpup install[/b]
If i use the Tahrpup USB on either laptop it works fine and I can get online. The sdb1 icon is colored Blue and is not grayed out.

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Not sure if this may be part of the problem?
The laptop I wanted to Run Xenialpup which I also ran Tahrpup was a Windows 7 64 bit system.
The other laptop is a 32 Bit Windows 7 system.
I used the 32 Bit laptop and the USB to get Xenial up and running with the USB stick. And it did run the first couple times I tried to use it on the 32 bit laptop and the 64 Bit lappy.
The Xenialpup USB will NOT run on either laptop now..meaning getting on the Internet using Google Chrome my preferred browser for quite sometime.
Palemoon will allow me to get online if I want to type in everything which I don't.
Wondering if I should wipe the USB and start over at this point?!? And get *step by step* instructions.
I'm waiting for advice before I do anything else cause apparently somehow I messed up this install?
Thank You for your precious time and patience.
Sincerely, Raphael
UPDATED Just Now!
I think I got this working as it as it is Saving session to /xenialpup64pup save. But it still will not access Google Chrome web browser from the Menu>Internet>Google Chrome web browser. I tick it and it stops dead the USB light stays on and no flicker.
Weird! I had Google up and running and synced it apparently saved the session and shut down by itself. When I rebooted it would not access Google chrome from the Menu as stated above.
Baffled!!! completely and i bet its something foolish.
Be back in awhile...
Another Plea for help for a dummie
Best, Raphael
The Xenialpup64save-xenialpup64save_ralph is the one I created I was online using Google Chrome browser..it saved it and shut down on it's own. When I turned the laptop back on I could not get online from Menu>Internet>google chrome web browser.

[bigpup]

In that image of what is on the USB.
The name of the save looks a little strange.
So, the save could be bad.
Usually the name would be

Code: Select all

xenialpup64save-something

.
The -something is what you add to the name when you made it. Could be anything you want.

If you tried to make two different saves.
One for each computer.
All I see in that image is one save.

Try this.

In Puppy Package Manager (PPM)
Click on Uninstall.
Select the listed Google Chrome you installed.
Delete it.
Close PPM after it does the delete.

Click on the desktop save icon so this deletion is recorded in the save.

Reinstall Google Chrome using Quickpet.

Click on the desktop save icon so this is recorded in the save.

Try running Chrome.
Any help?

[Mike Walsh]

@ Ralph:-

The fact that you used your '32-bit' laptop to get a 64-bit Puppy up-and-running would suggest that it is in fact a 64-bit machine. You can't run a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit machine; the CPU simply doesn't possess the necessary additional registers and instructions to be capable of doing so.

It's always been common for 32-bit Windows to be installed to 64-bit capable hardware, even though OEMs could easily install the 64-bit version. Is one cheaper than the other? I've no idea, 'cos I haven't used it for years.....and certainly never purchased a retail copy.

I'll bet pennies to peanuts that the copy of Chrome you installed from the PPM is seriously out of date, anyway.....though I rather doubt re-installing is going to help, somehow. It's more likely you've somehow messed up your save-file/folder; personally, I would have made that 1024 MB considerably larger, as soon as possible. There's all sorts of ways to run large, complex pieces of software, while at the same time keeping your save-file really tiny.....but this isn't what you want. What you want is an easy to run OS, that is reliable and just 'works'.

My guess is that you've made no attempt to limit your browser cache, and, during the course of the 'save' at shutdown, the save-file has run out of space. In so doing, anything else your Puppy is trying to save from the session gets cut off dead.....more than likely in the middle of some important config file or another.

That's my 'two-penn'orth', FWIW.


Mike.

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@ Ralph:-

The fact that you used your '32-bit' laptop to get a 64-bit Puppy up-and-running would suggest that is in fact a 64-bit machine. You can't run a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit machine; the CPU simply doesn't possess the necessary additional registers and instructions to be capable of doing so.

It's always been common for 32-bit Windows to be installed to 64-bit capable hardware, even though OEMs could easily install the 64-bit version. Is one cheaper than the other? I've no idea, 'cos I haven't used it for years.....and certainly never purchased a retail copy.

I'll bet pennies to peanuts that the copy of Chrome you installed from the PPM is seriously out of date, anyway.....


Mike.

Mike! There is no version of Chrome listed in PPM. I used quickpet and it offers two versions there. I'm not sure which one I am supposed to use?
The download packages offered are 64bit .deb (For Debian/Unbuntu) or 64bit .rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE) I've been using the first one.
Thanks many times over.
Raphael

[Nanosecond]

Try this.

In Puppy Package Manager (PPM)
Click on Uninstall.
Select the listed Google Chrome you installed.
Delete it.
Close PPM after it does the delete.

Click on the desktop save icon so this deletion is recorded in the save.

Reinstall Google Chrome using Quickpet.

Click on the desktop save icon so this is recorded in the save.

Try running Chrome.
Any help?

First I am truly sorry for the intrusion and your exactly right..anxious and impatient. But I will abide by the rules.
Here is what I see in the PPM (see attachment) Do I delete them all and follow your steps? When I tick quickpet it will offer two choices of Chrome>64bit .deb (For Debian/Unbuntu) or 64bit .rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE) I've been using the first one.
Thank YOU!

[Mike Walsh]

No, what you're looking at there is the list of packages available to install from the repositories. You have to click the 'Uninstall' button. Another window will open, showing packages that you yourself have installed.

Scroll through that list, locate Google-Chrome, highlight it, then click 'Remove' at the bottom of that window.

That's how you uninstall stuff with the PPM... It's not exactly 'rocket-science', y'know!


Mike.

[Nanosecond]

No, what you're looking at there is the list of packages available to install from the repositories. You have to click the 'Uninstall' button. Another window will open, showing packages that you yourself have installed.

Scroll through that list, locate Google-Chrome, highlight it, then click 'Remove' at the bottom of that window.

That's how you uninstall stuff with the PPM... It's not 'rocket-science', y'know!


Mike.

Thank you!
Done.
which one do I choose? When I tick quickpet it will offer two choices of Chrome>64bit .deb (For Debian/Unbuntu) or 64bit .rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE) I've been using the first one.
I have been doing this entire process on the 32 Bit Windows 7 laptop cause its newer and has more resources. As I recall at one point it didn't matter..That is when I made the 64 bit ISO>USB that I am using now.

[Mike Walsh]

I have a better idea; I build Puppy-specific packages of Chrome for the community. How would you like to run Chrome 70, properly set up to run on Puppy, that works with Puppy the correct way? Although many .deb packages will work happily with Puppy, Chrome has a nasty habit of changing permissions, and messing things up... It doesn't work with Puppy's '/root' model any longer, so I've had to re-build it to suit.

I think we've got to do something about the size of your save-file, though. How big is it? Right-click on your save-file, select 'Properties', and tell me exactly what it says, please.

If you're using a 16 GB USB stick, you'll have plenty of room for what I have in mind.....because I'm trying to do this in the easiest possible way for you.


Mike.

[Nanosecond]

I have a better idea. How would you like to run Chrome 70, properly set up to run on Puppy, that works with Puppy the correct way? Deb packages interfere with Puppy, and mess things up...

I think we've got to do something about the size of your save-file, though. How big is it? Right-click on your save-file, select 'Properties', and tell me exactly what it says, please.

If you're using a 16 GB USB stick, you'll have plenty of room for what I have in mind.....because I'm trying to do this in the easiest possible way for you.


Mike.

Thank You!
it looks to be 1.0 GiB personal and Free space 701 MiB. If I right click the Save file in the taskbar it vanishes..the results above are by hovering the pointer over the Save file
Chrome 70 would be great...Just want it to work properly and get out of your hair.



Personal File 1024Mb/702 Mb free
Partition sdb1 14783/ 11899 Mb free