Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Forum Index Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com
"THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The time now is Thu 18 Oct 2018, 05:52
All times are UTC - 4
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Puppy Projects
Bionicpup64 7.9.5 beta
Moderators: Flash, JohnMurga
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
Page 7 of 13 [188 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 Next
Author Message
davids45


Joined: 26 Nov 2006
Posts: 1157
Location: Chatswood, NSW

PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep 2018, 21:34    Post subject: Drive icon pile-up problem and lib64 comment
Subject description: Puppy Event Manager issue with icon piles?
 

G'day 666philb,

Thanks for tackling a new Pup.

I've made a Frugal of your last beta in my 64-bit Pups partition which looked OK and then loaded up my all-apps-in-one-sfs to see how they each run.

A few have missing lib problems which made me look at how you've handled the directories in /usr for 32-bit and 64-bit lib files. You've made a simple link for the lib64 directory to /usr/lib (screenshot). This looks a bit different to other 64-bit Pups (Slacko, Stretch?) where there is a 'real' lib64 directory as well as lib and lib32. Am I right and is there any agreed policy in Puppy on how to handle this 'confusion' (to me at least) of the extra lib directories in the 64-bit Pups?
It's a bit awkward for me when making my apps into sfs to know how to set up their particular libs. For me, a 'one-size-fits-all' (just one sfs does every Pup) would be nice.

The only real issue I've come across in bionicbeta64 so far is I see an old problem with my multitude of drive icons not displaying tidily when doing a change to their set-out.
The default display was OK (no piles) but took two rows so with JWMDesk Manager, I changed the spacing to get just one row of icons across the pinboard bottom.
The first couple are OK then an odd space then after a couple more, the remaining twenty or so just form a pile (screenshot has settings I wanted and the result).

Is this something in Puppy Event Manager (I could try a Slacko64 version)?

Thanks again, and eagerly looking forward to your progression through the Greek alphabet with this 64-bit Bionic Very Happy ,

David S.
lib64-link-to-lib.jpg
 Description   is there any Puppy standard on setting up lib32 and lib64 in /usr?
 Filesize   27.77 KB
 Viewed   542 Time(s)

lib64-link-to-lib.jpg

driveicons-piledup.jpg
 Description   changing set out goes awry
 Filesize   101.44 KB
 Viewed   541 Time(s)

driveicons-piledup.jpg

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Mike Walsh


Joined: 28 Jun 2014
Posts: 4234
Location: King's Lynn, UK.

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 06:24    Post subject:  

David, see my post above in response to LateAdopter's 'moan' about a similar issue.

Maybe it'll help for you, too.


Mike. Wink

_________________
MY PUPPY PACKAGES | 'Thanks' are always appreciated!
--------------------------------------

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
mikeslr


Joined: 16 Jun 2008
Posts: 2689
Location: 500 seconds from Sol

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 09:19    Post subject: Re: Drive icon pile-up problem and lib64 comment
Subject description: Puppy Event Manager issue with icon piles?
 

davids45 wrote:
...

A few have missing lib problems which made me look at how you've handled the directories in /usr for 32-bit and 64-bit lib files. You've made a simple link for the lib64 directory to /usr/lib (screenshot). This looks a bit different to other 64-bit Pups (Slacko, Stretch?) where there is a 'real' lib64 directory as well as lib and lib32. Am I right and is there any agreed policy in Puppy on how to handle this 'confusion' (to me at least) of the extra lib directories in the 64-bit Pups?...


Hi david45 & 666philb,

FWIW, my experience has been that Ubuntu* based Puppies neither handle multi-architecture the same way as the Ubuntu's whose binaries went into their making, nor Slackos. Ubuntus actually use three folders named x86_64-linux-gnu to hold 64-bit libs. One is within a parent folder /lib, another at /usr/lib and the third within /usr/local/lib. For whatever reason, Ubuntu based Puppies can neither use, nor even find, those folders.

The Puppy work-around has been to move libs which would have been in a x86_64-linux-gnu into its parent /lib folder. That works with the only potential problem being that Ubuntu uses the same name for both the 64 and 32 bit version of a lib. There's a chance that a user employing both 32 and 64 bit applications might have an application requiring a 32-bit lib which was over-written by a 64-bit lib of the same name moved to its location. That generates a failure to run and a "Wrong Elf class notice".

Slackos, following the Slackware model, place 64-bit libs in three folders named lib64, one in each of the above parent folders. If my flaky memory serves, on one occasion while building a Ubuntu pet rather than moving libs from a x86_64-linux-gnu folder to its parent /lib folder I created a /lib64 folder and moved the libs into it. The Ubuntu based Puppy was able to find and use those libs.

It would probably require a change at the Woof level for Ubuntu based Puppies to automatically move 64-bit libs into /lib64 folders when debs are being installed (change in petget?). But that change might be simpler than either figuring out why Ubuntu based Puppies can find x86_64-linux-gnu folders, or modifying Woof so that Ubuntu based Puppies handle Multi-architecture the same way Ubuntu does.

* This problem also arises when using 64-bit debian-based Puppies or their libs.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
666philb


Joined: 07 Feb 2010
Posts: 3199
Location: wales

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 09:40    Post subject:  

yes at the moment /lib64 & /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu are links to /lib (as are the ones in /usr). this causes problems for .sfs packages as they don't respect the symlink.
pets do though

/lib/i386-linux-gnu & /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu are actual folders for 32bit libs in bionicpup. this is where the 32bit compatibility sfs installs to.

wdlkmpx is planning on changing this at some point in woofce.

_________________
Tahrpup, built with trusty tahr packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=96178
Xenialpup64, built with xenial xerus packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107331
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
666philb


Joined: 07 Feb 2010
Posts: 3199
Location: wales

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 10:05    Post subject: New iso  

New iso uploaded, link on 1st page

changes ......

new kernel 4.14.71, hopefully this fixes the shutdown problems
kodi repos should now install properly, problem was kodi repository now a separate package.
homebank rebuilt with working help
compton now has vsync on by default
psync fix ... problem was an older pet overwriting the one in woofce
python3 now installs when needed as a dependency
openshot 2.4.1 now installs from the PPM ... a bit hacky, it fires up sc0ttmans 'pkg' to grab the remaining deps
sfsload should now run ldconfig when the 32bit compatibility sfs is installed
added missing icons for gnome-mpv
added findnrun icons & missing help
changed trash icon colour
skype should install and run direct from the website

plus all the latest fixes at woofce

_________________
Tahrpup, built with trusty tahr packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=96178
Xenialpup64, built with xenial xerus packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107331
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
sheldonisaac

Joined: 21 Jun 2009
Posts: 751
Location: Philadelphia, PA

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 13:03    Post subject: Re: New iso  

666philb (in part) wrote:
New iso uploaded, link on 1st page

changes ......

new kernel 4.14.71, hopefully this fixes the shutdown problems
..
psync fix ... problem was an older pet overwriting the one in woofce

Thanks a lot, 666philb.

So far, very good, on this Dell laptop E6410 from about 2010 or 2011.

(Oh, I just adapted this, after stealing it from bigpup's post:
Bionicpup64 7.9.4, Frugal install on SSD hard drive, format ext 4, using save folder.
Processor i5 CPU M 560 @ 2.67GHz)

I think I had to install
Code:
31331 Sep 21 14:21 Psync-2.6.pet
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1005302#1005302
to make psync work?

Thanks again,
Sheldon

_________________
Dell E6410: Xenial, Bionicpup64, etc
Dell Mini 9, Acer Aspire One, EeePC 1018P, PowerBook G4
Intel D865GBF, Intel DQ35JOE

Last edited by sheldonisaac on Tue 25 Sep 2018, 13:19; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
bigpup


Joined: 11 Oct 2009
Posts: 11129
Location: Charleston S.C. USA

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 13:06    Post subject:  

Bionicpup64 7.9.4
Frugal install on USB hard drive, format ext 3, using save folder.
Processor Intel i5-6400 CPU @ 2.70GHz.

Shutdown fixed. Very Happy
No problems with shutdown.

Homebank help now works. Very Happy


Still seeing this problem.
All Puppies you have developed that had PaleMoon built in.
One minor problem about the home page at start of PaleMoon.

Very first time you run PaleMoon.
The Puppy home page is shown.
/usr/share/doc/home.htm

Second time you run PaleMoon.
It starts showing the PaleMoon start page.
https://palemoon.start.me/start

On the second start of Palemoon.
If you go into the PaleMoon>Prefernces>General
Change the home page to:
file:///usr/share/doc/home.htm
Palemoon now always starts on the Puppy home page.

Something in Palemoon is doing this change automatically.
Probably have to live with it.

_________________
I have found, in trying to help people, that the things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected Shocked
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
bigpup


Joined: 11 Oct 2009
Posts: 11129
Location: Charleston S.C. USA

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 13:38    Post subject:  

Bionicpup64 7.9.4
Frugal install on USB hard drive, format ext 3, using save folder.
Processor Intel i5-6400 CPU @ 2.70GHz.

I was looking at the RAM usage to see what this version of Puppy may require.

Htop results:

At bootup and and no programs running.
Around 550MB

With only PaleMoon browser running.
Around 750MB.

Looks like a 1GB RAM minimum Puppy.

_________________
I have found, in trying to help people, that the things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected Shocked
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Terry H

Joined: 29 Mar 2009
Posts: 439
Location: The Heart of Muskoka, ON Canada

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 13:56    Post subject:  

New clean frugal install on laptop Dell Core i3-5005 on USB Flash ext4 format saved to folder. Shutdown and reboot OK.

Looking pretty good at the moment.

bigpup wrote:

Very first time you run PaleMoon.
The Puppy home page is shown.
/usr/share/doc/home.htm

Second time you run PaleMoon.
It starts showing the PaleMoon start page.
https://palemoon.start.me/start

On the second start of Palemoon.
If you go into the PaleMoon>Prefernces>General
Change the home page to:
file:///usr/share/doc/home.htm
Palemoon now always starts on the Puppy home page.

Something in Palemoon is doing this change automatically.
Probably have to live with it.


My experience with palemoon is different. I set palemoon to show home page, but regardless of what I have set as home page, it always displays '/usr/share/doc/home.htm'. To get to the home page I have to click the home button.

I set up a start.me customized page, which I have been using and want this page displayed on startup instead of the puppy default home page. As bigpup said, something I have to live with.

Last edited by Terry H on Tue 25 Sep 2018, 14:00; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
666philb


Joined: 07 Feb 2010
Posts: 3199
Location: wales

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 13:58    Post subject:  

Hi bigpup,

With palemoon i don't think that i'm allowed to change it's default start-page when shipping it with puppy. you are allowed if you compile it yourself and remove all branding like 01micko did. (this used to be the case)

i'm probably being a bit naughty showing the puppy welcome screen once on first launch! Very Happy

as for minimum specs, it definitely needs more oomph than xenialpup.
a cheapo vista ready (it wasn't really vista ready!) core-duo 2gb laptop runs it well.

my crappy netbook 1ghz dualcore (that's 500mhz a core and cpu that's 1cm square) struggles with bionicpup but was just about okish with xenialpup

_________________
Tahrpup, built with trusty tahr packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=96178
Xenialpup64, built with xenial xerus packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107331
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Billtoo


Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Posts: 3577
Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 15:10    Post subject: Bionicpup64 7.9.4 beta  

I installed to a 64gb usb-3.0 flash drive:

System: Host: puppypc22105 Kernel: 4.14.71 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: bionicpup64 7.9.4
Machine: Device: laptop System: Apple product: Macmini6 1 v: 1.0 serial: C07JV98EDWYL
Mobo: Apple model: Mac-031AEE4D24BFF0B1 v: Macmini6 1 serial: C072496085YF1HCAG
BIOS: Apple v: MM61.88Z.0106.B03.1211161202 date: 11/16/2012
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-3210M (-MT-MCP-) speed/max: 1843/2501 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: intel Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile version: 4.2 Mesa 18.0.5
Network: Card-1: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n driver: bcma-pci-bridge
Drives: HDD Total Size: 577.1GB (2.5% used)
Weather: Conditions: 61 F (16 C) Time: September 25, 2:54 PM EDT
Info: Processes: 145 Uptime: 1:32 Memory: 299.6/16012.9MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56

I updated PPM and installed favorite applications, kodi now uses the
repositories.
I added "intel_pstate=disable" (no quotes) to the kernel line of the
menu.lst file.

Thanks for the version update.
screenshot.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   65.92 KB
 Viewed   281 Time(s)

screenshot.jpg

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
artsown

Joined: 12 Sep 2012
Posts: 276

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 17:34    Post subject:  

Frugal installs to hard drives on two different computers ... Dell Optiplex
3010 (i5 four cores four threads) ..... and Dell Dimension E510 (Pentium D
dual core) ... both having 4 gig ram. Installed printer-scanner and temp
monitors. Only problem so far is that psync on version 7.9.4 does not work
either. Sheldonisaac already pointed this out. The psync-2,6,pet I (we) used
on 7.9.3 works on 7.9.4 as well.

Art
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
davids45


Joined: 26 Nov 2006
Posts: 1157
Location: Chatswood, NSW

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 19:57    Post subject: Puppy Event Manager icon oddity
Subject description: lib64 another problem to solve
 

G'day,

Thanks for the feed-back about my puzzlement over the lib directory structures in 64-bit Pups.
I think I'll need to have all-apps-sfs files for each type of 64-bit Pup to try to get around where libs need to go.
I have had missing lib issues with various 32-bit Pups such that my slacko all-apps-sfs has extra libs I don't need in my Debian/Ubuntu Pups' sfs.
But 64-bit may need that extra level of tweaking to get all my apps to run from a single sfs.

Thanks Mike Walsh for the link to your earlier post about the erratic behaviour of BionicPup64's Puppy Event Manager in regard to displaying anything more than a few drive icons.
I used your 'shortcut' instead of going the 'long-way' (Menu>Desktop>....) to get to the icon manager, and trying various number combinations, I could get one to actually work - a single row of separated icons! Shocked Very Happy (screenshot)
Maybe I need to have each parameter divisible by 4? It seemed in a previous episode of this strange behaviour (I can't recall the Pup), using an odd number for any parameter caused the 'pile-up'.
I'll see how this goes with further re-boots to this Pup.

I'm having a problem running wine applications via my all-in-one apps sfs but the other icons on my pinboard (as per screenshot) are working in this now older version of BionicPup64.

Time for testing the next beta Very Happy .

David S.
drive-icons-luckylayout.jpg
 Description   third time lucky picking numbers for the icon spacings
 Filesize   99.21 KB
 Viewed   228 Time(s)

drive-icons-luckylayout.jpg

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Terry H

Joined: 29 Mar 2009
Posts: 439
Location: The Heart of Muskoka, ON Canada

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 20:32    Post subject:  

Unfortunately still seem to be having some save issues with shutdown / reboot. I have the save interval set to 0 with ask whether to save checked.

When the Save / No save dialog is displayed, intermittently when I hit the Enter Button a '#' appears just below the word Save, following this I can not do anything and the session is not saved. This has happened twice from about 6 shutdown or reboots.

This is with a clean frugal install on USB Flash, using default kernel on Dell core i3-5005u laptop.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
oldprinter

Joined: 12 Nov 2017
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 21:45    Post subject: all better now  

downloaded new 7.9.4 iso

made USB stick, added some of my goodies, like firefox 62.0.2, my 49 fonts, gkrellm from PPM, added Avidemux 2.7.1 sfs, and a few others
rebooted several times for check on shut down problems, zero failures, works like it should, good job.

Tom

Pup-SysInfo Hardware Report (Summary), Tue 25 Sep 2018

PC Manufacturer: TOSHIBA
Product Name: Satellite C55t-A
Motherboard Vendor: TOSHIBA
Product Name: Portable PC
BIOS Vendor: INSYDE Corp.
Version: 1.40
Release Date: 04/28/2014

Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N2820 @ 2.13GHz
Max Speed: 2394 MHz
Current Speed of Core 0:2129 MHz, 1:532 MHz
Core Count: 2
Thread Count: 1

Frequency governor : ondemand
Freq. scaling driver : acpi-cpufreq

l1tf : Not affected
meltdown : Mitigation : PTI
spec_store_bypass : Not affected
spectre_v1 : Mitigation : __user pointer sanitization
spectre_v2 : Mitigation : Full generic retpoline

Linux Kernel: 4.14.71 (x86_64)
Kernel Version: #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Sep 24 15:03:45 BST 2018
Build GCC: 7.3.0

Kernel Command Line:
BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz intel_pstate=disable pmedia=usbflash
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 7 of 13 [188 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Puppy Projects
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.0763s ][ Queries: 13 (0.0098s) ][ GZIP on ]