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X-Slacko Slim 4.4r23 (unique, stable, and flexible)
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clerk_gabel

Joined: 29 Aug 2018
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Location: norway

PostPosted: Sun 16 Sep 2018, 17:08    Post subject:  

With the sept. 13 slacko-slim-4.4r22.iso burned to CD there was fast boot up on Intel Celeron single core 1,5Ghz and Win7 Asus F7L dual core 2008 laptops, on a Toshiba Satellite L360 dual core laptop boot up halts after "not found "puppy_....sfs". A menu with option for saving error log then pop up ( Idea ).The Satellite is equipped with -SCSI Disks- ATA WDC WD3200BEVT-0 PIONEER DVD-RW DVRTD08A. A frugal install on the Celeron works with OK Wi-Fi / browser / Puppy Package Manager etc.
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sun 16 Sep 2018, 18:14    Post subject: X-Slacko Slim 4.4r22 (unique, stable, and flexible) I ins  

I installed to a 16gb SDHC card, computer is an Acer Revo nettop:

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Sun 16 Sep 2018 on X-Slacko Slim 4.4 Linux 4.17.6-slim32 i686
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation ION VGA (rev b1)

X Server: Xorg Driver: nouveau
X.Org version: 1.14.3
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 9.1.7

Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz
Core 0: @1599 1: @1599 2: @1599 3: @1599 MHz

Haven't tested much yet, computer is connected to a 32" TV via hdmi
cable, don't have sound via hdmi yet so using external speakers.

That's it so far,
Thanks.
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Sep 2018, 04:58    Post subject:  

@clark_gabel I check the debug file that you submitted. It looks that the optical drive on your machine that you booted from does not find what kind filesystem is. Thats why it does not boot from CD drive. I make some tweaks on probepart to fix that error.
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2018, 00:11    Post subject:  

New X-Slacko Slim iteration released

Changes
* bugfixes on probepart command (both initrd and main sfs)

Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/12qsxaQywdfmrNRRN26Yb4e3MkgARV5cq/view?usp=sharing

MD5 Checksum: f81b065643df945102eb51b185f13aa6
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clerk_gabel

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Sep 2018, 11:22    Post subject:  

When burned to CD and not finalised the latest iteration of X-Slacko works fine on a Dell dual core intel laptop, but again no boot and instead splash screen for saving logfile on the Toshiba Satellite. To me it seems as if similar problems are general to many Puppy flavours, not only X-Slacko. As operating system Puppy works great (browser, thunderbird, wordprocessor etc.) but the unreliable boot up from CD / USB of Puppy unfortunately spoils (no secure way for restoring backup).
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Sep 2018, 02:35    Post subject:  

@clerk_gabel it seems that base from your log. The filesystem on your cd drive in toshiba computer cannot determine. Can you please try to boot the pristine X-Slacko to check if will work on your toshiba computer?
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clerk_gabel

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Sep 2018, 04:24    Post subject:  

mistfire - when burned and booted from CD the original X-Slacko 4.4 downloaded from

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=88846

will not boot on the Toshiba - no boot from CD - a blinking cursor until my usual blue HDD boot manager takes over (installed on HDD is Slacko 6.3.2). My best guess is that some entrances in kernel .config has to be modified (fifo options etc).
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Sep 2018, 06:14    Post subject:  

@clerk_gabel may I know what puplets that works on your toshiba laptop using CD?
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clerk_gabel

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Sep 2018, 22:06    Post subject:  

The Toshiba is a former Vista laptop where Slacko 6.3.2 has been installed to HDD via CD. Slackware and Salix has formerly been installed and the computer boots up Linux Format Magazine DVD and a Linux rescue CD from www.system-rescue-cd.org. The boot manager works with a menu from where 3 different kernels can be booted.
Recently the Slacko 6.3.2 CD has stopped to boot and using USB the error "cannot find ...sfs" is thrown. Slacko 5.7.1. and X-Slacko has never worked. The Linux rescue CD include a partition imaging tool for backup so I stick to otherwise nice Puppy on this secondary laptop, where I for work will prefer my win7 machine.
But Slackware, Salix, rescue CD and everything else except Puppy works on the Toshiba Satellite.
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Sep 2018, 00:07    Post subject:  

@clerk_gabel I think the problem lies on your CD drive device in your toshiba laptop. Can you tell me the name and model of the CD drive installed in your toshiba laptop?
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clerk_gabel

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Sep 2018, 05:54    Post subject:  

mistfire - here specifications:

-SCSI Disks-
ATA WDC WD3200BEVT-0
PIONEER DVD-RW DVRTD08A
CD/DVD: sr0
===========
/dev/sr0: ATAPI CD-ROM, with removable media Model Number: DVD-RW DVRTD08A Standards: Likely used CD-ROM ATAPI-1

I burned tahr 6.0.6 to my last CD and no-boot of this puppy neither.The Toshiba Satellite is apparently a Puppy no go / Windows go-go machine. I will in a few days be off for job for several months in remote areas and must take with me the Win7 machine. From the magazine DVD two live systems (Kali and Bunsenlab) starts. Respect for your long standing efforts - sincerely -cg.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Sep 2018, 03:02    Post subject:  

With respect, misty, I think we need to know what equipment you are using (possibly what you were using a couple of years back, too?), not least because I certainly cannot get any of your last half-dozen releases to boot on around a dozen different machines.
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Sep 2018, 11:12    Post subject:  

@Sage

Here is the hardwares that I used to make and test X-Slacko Slim
IBM/Lenovo Thinkcentre desktop (2016-2017)
Neo Basic Netbook (2016-present)
Acer Laptop (present)
Virtual Box (for testing iso images)
Samsung USB CD Drive (for testing physical cd boot and multisession mode)

Right now Im expermenting on an initrd with multiple init scripts. It means the user can choose what init is used to boot puppy whether pre woof, early woof, or woof-ce boot init.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2018, 03:28    Post subject:  

Ah ha! That explains it all. Nothing there that merits a slim Slacko! Suggest (again) that you pick some ancient kit, maybe starting with a 585, from your nearest skip/dumpster. Friends and neighbours will gladly unload their elderly kit gratis, possibly even pay you to take it away. Certainly, nothing with more than a single core, BIOS and =/< 1Gb mem, rotating HD. That's where the real value of this project accrues - RoW with too many £££/EEE/$$$ burning holes in their pockets having nothing to worry about - there's a plethora of bang up-to-date mega distros for them to choose, and, if they're not working for them, just pop out and buy another of the latest incarnations. And don't forget to cast yesterday's machine in the landfill to poison your grandchildren...
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mistfire

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2018, 19:37    Post subject:  

@Sage the hardware support was really depend on the linux kernel. Linux OS is just a software collection or bundle using linux kernel to run them. So I try to configure the kernel to support old hardwares as wide as possible as well as the modern ones which stands in the middle to improve flexibility

@clark_gabel I got an idea to boot X-Slacko Slim to boot from cd. Try to copy the sfs files at the root folder of your hard drive then boot X-Slacko Slim from CD. If does not work try to use pmedia=atahd boot parameter but dont delete the sfs files in your hard drive. If Im not mistaken, the init script of X-Slacko Slim searches for sfs files in every partition of the drive and try to load it. I wonder if it will works on other puppy's.
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