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#1021 Post by peebee »

Interim delta to 18.06+3
.iso md5 = acd578654925a65f5609c43ce1f09406 LxPupSc-18.06+3M-k64.iso

SlackwareCurrent to Sat Aug 18 02:09:51 UTC 2018

including OpenSSL: 1.1.0i 14 Aug 2018

kernel 4.18.7 also available
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#1022 Post by peebee »

Interim delta to 18.06+4
.iso md5 = 4639e01851e4b6df7d88bb7db4cbbcf1 LxPupSc-18.06+4M-k64.iso

SlackwareCurrent to Wed Sep 12 21:19:38 UTC 2018

including OpenSSL: 1.1.1 11 Sep 2018, built on: Wed Sep 12 19:59:38 2018 UTC

kernel 4.18.8 also available
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#1023 Post by peebee »

Kernel Release: 4.18.11-lxpup64

Build GCC: 8.2.0
OS Support: GNU/Linux
Architecture: x86_64
SMP Enabled: Yes

No built-in firmware - needs separate fdrv
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#1024 Post by Marv »

peebee wrote:Kernel Release: 4.18.9-lxpup64
Thanks, Just updated 4.18.7 to 4.18.9 across the board (current lxpupsc, lxpupsc64, lxpupbionic, upupbb, upupcc) on the intel i5 laptop:

System: Host: puppypc21034 Kernel: 4.18.9-lxpup64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: UPupBB 18.05
Machine: Device: laptop System: FUJITSU product: LIFEBOOK S761 serial: R2500459
Mobo: FUJITSU model: FJNB225 serial: N/A
UEFI [Legacy]: FUJITSU // Phoenix v: Version 1.17 date: 03/14/2012
Battery CMB1: charge: 51.5 Wh 100.0% condition: 51.5/62.2 Wh (83%)
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-2520M (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 797/2501 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2 version: 3.3 Mesa 18.0.5
Network: Card: Qualcomm Atheros AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver: ath9k
Drives: HDD Total Size: 120.0GB (40.9% used)
Weather: Conditions: 64 F (18 C) - light drizzle Time: September 20, 8:35 AM CDT
Info: Processes: 140 Uptime: 6 min Memory: 324.8/4787.8MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.40

Quick check of boot, mitigation, video FPS, CPU idle % use and mem use, SNS connection etc. done at this time. I'll switch back to to upupcc with it now, it's the daily.

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#1025 Post by peebee »

Interim delta to 18.06+5
.iso md5 = 26f1ff7cafa9dbc76c79a90cec909694 LxPupSc-18.06+5M-k64.iso

SlackwareCurrent to Fri Sep 21 18:51:07 UTC 2018

kernel 4.18.12 also available
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#1026 Post by peebee »

Kernel Release: 4.18.10-lxpup64
Build Date: Thu Sep 27 07:04:01 BST 2018
Build GCC: 8.2.0
OS Support: GNU/Linux
Architecture: x86_64
SMP Enabled: Yes
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#1027 Post by Marv »

peebee wrote:Kernel Release: 4.18.10-lxpup64
I updated from the 4.18.9 64b kernel to the the 4.18.10 64b kernel across the board, see the pup list and comments 3 posts up. All the pups are the current versions as of today and as then, no hitches or glitches seen on the i5 laptop.

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#1028 Post by peebee »

Kernel Release: 4.18.11-lxpup64
Build Date: Sun Sep 30 07:32:17 BST 2018
Build GCC: 8.2.0
OS Support: GNU/Linux
Architecture: x86_64
SMP Enabled: Yes
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#1029 Post by Marv »

4.18.10 updated to 4.18.11 per my posts above. No issues seen in any of those pups. Mostly running my PcManFm'd upupbb this round but basic checks (no optical drive) done on all.

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Pups currently in kennel :D Older LxPupSc and X-slacko-4.4 for my users; LxPupSc, LxPupSc64 and upupEF for me. All good pups indeed, and all running savefiles for look'n'feel only. Browsers, etc. solely from SFS.

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#1030 Post by peebee »

Kernel Release: 4.18.12-lxpup64
Build Date: Thu Oct 4 07:20:25 BST 2018
Build GCC: 8.2.0
OS Support: GNU/Linux
Architecture: x86_64
SMP Enabled: Yes
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#1031 Post by Marv »

Kernel Release: 4.18.12-lxpup64 running happily, so far just tried in lxpupsc64 18.06 +9 on the intel i5 laptop above. No problems seen. A bonus today, Slimjet 20.0.4.0 now works with my weather loops that had been problematic since 18.0.5.0 so I can now use it, both on 64b and 32b pups. Hoorah!!

Cheers,

Edit: Kernel check on the Fujitsu S6520 core 2 duo laptop with intel i915 graphics. 4.18.12-lxpup64 run in lxpupsc64 18.06 +9, 4.18.11-lxpup64 run in the current current lxpupsc, lxpupbionic and upupbb pups (I migrated the whole kennel from the i5 and that is what I had installed there), and upupcc beta1 run with its stock 4.9.124 32b kernel so far. All boot and run cleanly with good video performance, sound, SNS connection, good idle CPU and mem use and no 'performance lockups or lag'. IIRC that laptop is roughly circa 2009, all intel, and really has no problems with these newer pups and kernels. No trials on the Bay Trail desktops yet.
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#1032 Post by peebee »

Kernel Release: 4.18.14-lxpup64
Build Date: Sun Oct 14 07:17:51 BST 2018
Build GCC: 8.2.0
OS Support: GNU/Linux
Architecture: x86_64
SMP Enabled: Yes

aufs-4.18.11+
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#1033 Post by peebee »

Interim delta to 18.06+6
.iso md5 = 7133664fc1f946f9a7d6310a36ebdbe4 LxPupSc-18.06+6M-k64.iso

SlackwareCurrent to Wed Oct 17 03:11:25 UTC 2018

kernel 4.18.15 also available
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#1034 Post by peebee »

Kernel Release: 4.18.15-lxpup64
Build Date: Fri Oct 19 06:59:48 BST 2018
Build GCC: 8.2.0
OS Support: GNU/Linux
Architecture: x86_64
SMP Enabled: Yes
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#1035 Post by Moat »

I recently was reading about some newly developed CPU use (idle, mostly?) efficiency improvements added to the =>17.x kernels - wondering if you guys are seeing any noticeable positive differences in that regard...? (Marv?) Apparently up to 20% increase in laptop battery life in some use cases.

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#1036 Post by Marv »

Moat wrote:I recently was reading about some newly developed CPU use (idle, mostly?) efficiency improvements added to the =>17.x kernels - wondering if you guys are seeing any noticeable positive differences in that regard...? (Marv?) Apparently up to 20% increase in laptop battery life in some use cases.

Bob
I do keep an eye on CPU use at idle as I move up in kernels but haven't done any battery run-down tests in a long time. It's kind of a bear to keep the variables down enough to get meaningful data without a LOT of work. On my workhorse second generation i5 laptop the idle use is down to 1% to 3% depending on the pup and pretty stable throughout the 4.17/4.18 set of kernels I've updated through. At those levels I couldn't see a 20% change at any rate. Where I do see a real and quantifiable difference in idle CPU use is between the upupbb/upupcc pups (I run them with pcmanfm integrated without GVFS and with a pretty stock JWM) and the slacko based LxPups. Being careful about governors, tray contents, Lxtask update setting etc. the upups independent of kernel always come in at 1% idle cpu while the LXDE/slacko based pups come in at 2% to 3%. Is it LXDE overhead vs JWM? Maybe, but my feeling is that the real culprit is the GVFS, my longtime nemesis. That difference might show up in battery use if a laptop was left at idle but do we ever really do that? I just lid-suspend even for a brief pause, really cutting power use, and the newer kernels have gotten good enough at that so whatever I'm doing resumes perfectly. Also hard to quantify, but a lot of work has been done on governors and power management in the more recent kernels and that plays very well on my 'hair trigger fan' Fujitsu laptops. IMO those changes are real and positive and would swamp any CPU idle changes.

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#1037 Post by Moat »

Thanks, Marv. Yeah, it seems the real-world savings of the kernel tweaks I mentioned probably would be most useful in an infrequently-accessed server situation, where idle times might be considerable. I suppose the power $avings for a big $erver farm could really add up in the off-peak hour$. Of little meaning to most of us, though - as you mentioned.
Marv wrote:Also hard to quantify, but a lot of work has been done on governors and power management in the more recent kernels and that plays very well on my 'hair trigger fan' Fujitsu laptops. IMO those changes are real and positive and would swamp any CPU idle changes.
Just out of curiosity, more than anything... from which version of "more recent kernels" would you say, in your estimation?
Marv wrote:... but my feeling is that the real culprit is the GVFS, my longtime nemesis.
:lol: Still...?! GNOME has to get their dirty little fingers in everything, it seems. Delete all the GVFS bins/libs and see what happens! :lol:

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#1038 Post by Marv »

@Moat, Regarding GVFS, I guess I would have to admit it has gotten less obtrusive over time. I did try partial/total prunes at one time but it's pretty woven into both LXDE/PcManFM and XFCE/Thunar. I had a little cache and gvfs-metadata cleanup script I used for a while as a crond script when gvfs-metadata was at its CPU cookin worst (think it is still running on the one desktop I have still running X-Slacko 4.4). Now that I have PCManFM quite well integrated into the upups I tend to just use one of those for the snap and really ,unless you are me :roll:, the new slacko derivs are fine also.

The when on the kernel is a bit of a headscratcher as the changes were gradual. I'll scratch a bit and see if I can come up with a number. IIRC, much of the improvement in governors and recovery from suspend was present just prior to the meltdown kerfuffle and then the kernel numbers just flew by for a while. On my current hardware, even the core 2 duo lappies, personally I can't find much reason not to use the most recent 4.18.15 64b or the 4.9.134 32b. The Pentium Ms I'm sure would be another story

@peebee, Since I'm here, the 4.18.15-lxpup64 kernel is running without a hitch on lxpup64 18.06 +9. The usual video FPS, sound and SNS connection, idle cpu % and mem use, look at Dmesg, suspend shutdown & reboot tests done (no optical drive on this lappie). Posting from that on the i5 now running Slimjet 20.0.4.0.

Edit: The 4.18.15-lxpup64 kernel also tested as above in LxPupSc 18.06 +6.

Cheers,
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#1039 Post by peebee »

Kernel Release: 4.18.16-lxpup64
Build Date: Sun Oct 21 07:54:52 BST 2018
Build GCC: 8.2.0
OS Support: GNU/Linux
Architecture: x86_64
SMP Enabled: Yes
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#1040 Post by peebee »

Kernel Release: 4.19.0-lxpup64
Build Date: Tue Oct 23 12:02:20 BST 2018
Build GCC: 8.2.0
OS Support: GNU/Linux
Architecture: x86_64
SMP Enabled: Yes

4.19 is next Long Term Release
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