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Trobin

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2016, 00:49    Post subject:  

Atle wrote:
Your efforts are great as a software that does what you make it do, often cost a ton of cash and leaves the majority, the poor left with nothing...

So this is a great project...


I would expect that there are government/private efforts that may assist with the costs.

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2016, 01:02    Post subject:  

It looks like Librepup may not be the base of my next efort. Not because Librepupu, when it works as expected, is not an excellent Operating System but I can no longer assume that it will boot to the desktop instead of presenting me with meaningless garbage. Though I suppose it would make sense to somebody.

However, should someone care to give it a shot, and has a good Librepup, all the files needed for a basic system can be found in the trisquel(sp) repository. Flite, eflite, and yasr. Install flite and eflite work together but install flite first. Yasr needs to be told where to find eflite. Make the changes indicated below to yasr.conf
Code:
# Uncomment one of these lines as appropriate
#synthesizer=speakout
#synthesizer=dectalk
#synthesizer=doubletalk
#synthesizer=bns
#synthesizer=apollo
synthesizer=emacspeak server
#synthesizer=speech dispatcher
#synthesizer port=S0
#synthesizer port=l0
synthesizer port=|/usr/bin/eflite
# Below line appropriate for Speech Dispatcher in its default configuration
#synthesizer port=127.0.0.1:6560
key echo=off
shell=/bin/bash
special=off
up and down arrows=speak line
DisableKey=6925

and save. Copy the modified yasr.conf to the root directory and rename that file to .yasr.conf

This will not work in anything but command line apps To tst in a command line program ope, enter yasr, then the name of the app

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2016, 23:55    Post subject:  

Wanted to be sure this idn't get lost. As it is ore of the next speakpup release


Code:
 #!/bin/bash
dat=`date +%H`
morning=12
afternoon=15
evening=24

if [ $dat -le $morning ]
then
       flite "Good morning sir"

elif [ $dat -gt $morning ] && [ $dat -le $afternoon ]
then
        flite "Good afternoon sir"

elif [ $dat -gt $afternoon ] && [ $dat -le $evening ]
then
        flite "Good evening sir"
fi
flite "Please make a selection from the following list."
flite "Thank You"

while :
do
  echo
  echo "1. Browser"
  echo "2. ymail"
  echo "3. Text Editer"
  echo "4. Audio"
  echo "5. Firelog"
  echo "6. Bash shell Please type exit to return to menu"
  echo "7. Reboot computer"
  echo "8. Power off"
  echo "9. Quit"
  echo
  echo "Make your choice"
  echo
  read choice
  case $choice in
    '1')
        lynx
        ;;
    '2')
        mutt
    ;;
    '3')
        e3
    ;;
    '4')
        mpg123
        ;;
    '5')
        firelog
        ;;
    '6')
        bash
        ;;
    '7')
        reboot
        ;;
    '8')
        poweroff
        ;;
    '9')
        exit 0
    ;;
    *)
    echo "Try again"
    ;;
  esac
done

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jun 2016, 11:10    Post subject:  

A great programmer is not always a guru in marketing, so what is done might not be seen or known to the public.

Once the software is like OOB and ready to ship, the time is there to present it for govs and NGOs... that is a job in it self...
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jun 2016, 11:45    Post subject:  

I'm no more a great programmer now than i was when I started woking on this.. The above script was uploaded to the forum by Mcewanw, I believe, and I adapted it for my use.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2018, 05:46    Post subject:  

Trobin wrote:
Once Foksyfeyercore has been installed open a terminal window. Run the command ifoks
You know - Mcewanw has done some exciting stuff for Puppy but the truth is very little of it is intelligible. What is a Foksy? What is a Feyer? What is a wex or a weav????

If only there was some way to persuade him to speak in a language someone could translate. Neither Google translate nor wikipedia can make any sense of it.

Tragedy really.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Mar 2018, 19:48    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
What is a wex or a weav????


The program names are certainly a bit weird but wex is like Simple Screen Recorder (though can also embed webcam in screencasts if checkbox selected, needs ffmpeg installed, but doesn't need Qt libs). But I guess you know that so your comment is valid more generally probably.

weav is a multi-purpose program that allows user to store any commandline for re-use (includes boxes, like maths variables, for items in the commandline you might want to change values of as you run the pre-stored commands). So weav particularly useful for any complex commandline you want to re-use sometimes such as ffmpeg multimedia commands. The programs work fine, but the names are not very descriptive, to say the least...

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Mar 2018, 00:32    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
Trobin wrote:
Once Foksyfeyercore has been installed open a terminal window. Run the command ifoks
You know - Mcewanw has done some exciting stuff for Puppy but the truth is very little of it is intelligible. What is a Foksy? What is a Feyer? What is a wex or a weav????

If only there was some way to persuade him to speak in a language someone could translate. Neither Google translate nor wikipedia can make any sense of it.

Tragedy really.


But yeah, in terms of project ideas, around that interesting Foksy time, I still remember this being written:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=206406#206406

within 24 hours, this was done (albeit post edited by its author to not mention mcewanw as suggesting its simple bash/gtkdialog frontend creation...):

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=206813&search_id=368838010#206813

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=206829&search_id=368838010#206829

Lack of acknowledgement of project ideas was rather less than community-friendly back then from some Puppy 'stalward's' quarters hahaha. Old irrelevant wounds are long-dead (but I guess always remembered in terms of later attitude). Losing actual developers through lack of due or genuine acknowledgements, is the greater tragedy really. Some previously very active developers have vanished because of disputes (and 'perceived rudeness' of others) in recent times also, which far from promoting the Puppy community, IMO, really tarnishes it unfortunately.

Oh well, best to just do our own things in the end, and publish or not, depending on our own wishes - so much software around nowadays, so much less interest in new stuff anyway - according to the low amounts of feedback most app development projects get nowadays compared to how it was long time back on Puppy forum. New distro-remasters/spins still get a fair amount of attention, but, generally, not new coding (apps/utils) I feel, which is a pity since creativity is long term beneficial for everyone (no matter how intelligible or not it is to most folks). Just my opinion.

Nowadays, we have the likes of hamadoudou (and) Pelo to put up with - passengers who seem to think development-talk is a pain (though how does anything get created so that 'Pelo' can enjoy using it - development (be it distro-spinning or new app dev) takes time and effort usually I think...???! And to be slightly more 'on-topic' whatever happened to the concerns for accessibility - only a very few around still dabbling with that (yet we all grow older and face issues needing addressed... even if many of us had no such personal accessibility challenges in our own earlier lives!)

EDIT: Personally, I now need to carry three pairs of spectacles around with me.... one pair for driving, one pair for looking at tv, and one pair suitable for focussing on my computer monitor... Sometimes I just miss out the computer monitor ones and just stick the driving and tv ones on top of each other, which also works. So maybe foksyfeyer with edbrowse becomes potentially more important to me actually - but is edbrowse or similar still being developed and will it work on the likes of Facebook, Google applications and so on? Neither Puppy nor Dog developers currently working towards addressing any of these issues, as far as I know - small market of need in Puppy community so far I guess.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Mar 2018, 02:49    Post subject:  

wiak wrote:
EDIT: Personally, I now need to carry three pairs of spectacles around with me.... one pair for driving, one pair for looking at tv, and one pair suitable for focussing on my computer monitor... Sometimes I just miss out the computer monitor ones and just stick the driving and tv ones on top of each other, which also works.
Ha! I trump you there. I have 5 pairs. Two of them have "progressive lenses" and all they do is make me sick when I turn my head - so they don't get much use. Gotta love the aging process.

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So maybe foksyfeyer with edbrowse becomes potentially more important to me actually - but is edbrowse or similar still being developed and will it work on the likes of Facebook, Google applications and so on? Neither Puppy nor Dog developers currently working towards addressing any of these issues, as far as I know - small market of need in Puppy community so far I guess.
I hear you there. I definitely want to have a few puppies that can be driven by a poorly sighted, deaf and shaky old hand. I reckon i have about 5 years before I will be severely compromised in my ability to use a PC so there is much I want to achieve.

I hate to see great programming die the death just because it becomes hard for fresh minds to understand. It's important to make programs, scripts and utilities easily understandable and intuitive.

In that sense Pelo did some good work in highiighting ancient once-functional offerings, and bringing to light some good foundation work that we should improve on.
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PostPosted: Sat 31 Mar 2018, 10:13    Post subject:  

[quote="greengeek"]
wiak wrote:
EDIT: Personally, I now need to carry three pairs of spectacles around with me.... one pair for driving, one pair for looking at tv, and one pair suitable for focussing on my computer monitor... Sometimes I just miss out the computer monitor ones and just stick the driving and tv ones on top of each other, which also works.


greengeek wrote:
Ha! I trump you there. I have 5 pairs. Two of them have "progressive lenses" and all they do is make me sick when I turn my head - so they don't get much use. Gotta love the aging process



Gosh, reading you two's comments now I don't feel so self-conscious about the sheer numbers of glasses I have lying around the house & in the car (for tv viewing, computers, for helping with kids homework, for working on stuff, seeing the dashboard vs seeing distance......)

First thing I have to do when setting up a DDog and/or Puppy is go in to both the OS and the browser/email, and set the font to a minimum of 112 dpi and/or 14 (for browsers). Otherwise, I struggle like crazy..... Sad

This getting old is for the birds.....
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 23:31    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
What is a Foksy? What is a Feyer? What is a wex or a weav????

If only there was some way to persuade him to speak in a language someone could translate. Neither Google translate nor wikipedia can make any sense of it.


To be a little more unclear...

Apart from the final letter, weX (and, as it happens, also weav) are named in the fashion of awk, using programming team author initials.

Not at all descriptive, but short (descriptive names being long ago all taken).

There is a slightly modified new version of weX:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=989694#989694

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Jul 2018, 01:52    Post subject:  

"but is edbrowse or similar still developed and will it work on the likes of Facebook, Google applications and so on?”

A quick search seems to indicate that Karl Dahlke is still working on Edbrowse and has worked on accessing Facebook through Edbrowse

https://github.com/CMB/edbrowse/wiki/Facebook

As for Google Applications, I would assume that would depend on how graphical the application is.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2018, 01:41    Post subject:  

for those visually impaired you can use the keyboard to navigate around facebook. read through

http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pubnew.asp?DocID=aw160402

They do appear to work well on Palemoon.

It won’t talk to you though. You can select the text you wish read aloud and have it read to you. I used MTone’s solution:

Quote:

I also found

http://hak5.org/episodes/haktip-51

and now have a hotkey to speak selected text!
[For puppy users the hotkey controls are in Menu>Utility>PupControlPanel>Window Manager Settings>Keyboard Shortcuts ]
Or!
/root/.jwm/jwmrc-personal {or personal2 }
You'll need to click the eye to see hidden if you are using ROX...
look for
<!-- Key bindings -->
in that file and add
<Key mask="CS" key="z">exec:/usr/bin/talkit.sh</Key>
on a new line right below it.

save and exit
then in a terminal window type these lines

cat << eof > talk.sh
#!/bin/bash
xsel | festival --tts --pipe
eof
cmod +x ~/talkit.sh
install xsel in puppy package manager

and poof! CTRL-SHIFT-z will now speak selected text!
(even though we did this in the wrong order)


http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=86979&search_id=680027840&start=15

However, festival doesn’t seem to want to work for me. I’m using xenialpup 32, and I suspect others can get festival to work. Maybe someday I will. However the following does work as talkit.sh

#!/bin/bash
text="$(xsel -o)"
flite -t "$text"
exit 0

Highlight the text. Press CTRL ALT z and the text will be spoken.

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